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please give me a 'basics course' on Makarovs..
Throckmorton
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Heard about 'em for years,don't know a lot about 'em.Seem very affordable and no one says much bad about 'em...if anything.
are they new production.are they all mil-spec?Are some countries' guns considered better than others?blowback operated?single action?
Lots of ??,little knowledge on'em.
Thanks guys!
Throckmortons' the alias,cas is the game.
are they new production.are they all mil-spec?Are some countries' guns considered better than others?blowback operated?single action?
Lots of ??,little knowledge on'em.
Thanks guys!
Throckmortons' the alias,cas is the game.
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http://makarov.com/
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
At current prices, they are one of the best gun deals out there.
Feel free to e-mail me if you have any more specific questions about them.
"Every child had a pretty good shot,
To get at least as far as their old man got,
But something happened on the way to that place,
They threw an American flag in our face."
-Billy Joel, "Allentown"
I see a Mak in my future,for sure.I have .380 loading stuff so will get the additional barrel too.
Thanks again!
Throckmortons' the alias,cas is the game.
Does anyone wonder exactly why most (perhaps all) of the worlds gun manufactureres refuse to design a semi-auto action such as found on the Makarov? I am referring to the somewhat unusual fixed barrel on the Makarov as compared to the delayed blowback or roller cam operated actions on most other semi-auto pistols. Yes, I know that at least two carbines/rifles (Marlin or Ruger) has straight blowback and it works fine, but that is another story.
The only reason the Makarov can function with a fixed barrell is because the chamber is extra tight and causes "striction" upon the round when the action is trying to exject the spent round. This means the gun is designed to cause the fired round to almost "hangup" in the chamber but because of the close design the gun is able to overcome the striction and is able to eject the fired round and chamber a fresh round.
I myself feel this is cheap and careless engineering and want nothing to do with such a design.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Sorry everyone, just gotta add this "counterpoint".
Does anyone wonder exactly why most (perhaps all) of the worlds gun manufactureres refuse to design a semi-auto action such as found on the Makarov? I am referring to the somewhat unusual fixed barrel on the Makarov as compared to the delayed blowback or roller cam operated actions on most other semi-auto pistols. Yes, I know that at least two carbines/rifles (Marlin or Ruger) has straight blowback and it works fine, but that is another story.
The only reason the Makarov can function with a fixed barrell is because the chamber is extra tight and causes "striction" upon the round when the action is trying to exject the spent round. This means the gun is designed to cause the fired round to almost "hangup" in the chamber but because of the close design the gun is able to overcome the striction and is able to eject the fired round and chamber a fresh round.
I myself feel this is cheap and careless engineering and want nothing to do with such a design.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
What[?]
Nevermind...maybe Mark will want to tackle this.Walther,Colt, Smith, Ruger,High Standard,Browning and others don't seem especially cheap or careless to me.
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Anyway, the idea that this design is somehow inferior to a delay-locked breech, at least in this power range, is false. The Makarov, the Walther PP, PPK, and the H&K 4 are all examples of highly reliable design. Sure, you can't shoot .45 ACP (or even 9mmPara) out of them, but they work well.
"Every child had a pretty good shot,
To get at least as far as their old man got,
But something happened on the way to that place,
They threw an American flag in our face."
-Billy Joel, "Allentown"
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
But I consider a "deformed case" to be abnormal and do not want to depend upon the case deforming to just exactly the right amount in order for me to be able to depend upon the handgun functioning properly, especially if my life depends upon it.
For example, if you depend upon the case deforming to just the right amount for the gun to properly function, what happens it you get so new ammo and that ammo deforms more or even less than is expected? Then just how dependable is your firearm?
I feel these are questions that people should consider.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
Sorry everyone, just gotta add this "counterpoint".
Does anyone wonder exactly why most (perhaps all) of the worlds gun manufactureres refuse to design a semi-auto action such as found on the Makarov? I am referring to the somewhat unusual fixed barrel on the Makarov as compared to the delayed blowback or roller cam operated actions on most other semi-auto pistols.
I myself feel this is cheap and careless engineering and want nothing to do with such a design.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I give up!!!Deformed case???
Mr. Fox ...The chamber in a Walther PPK .32 auto is the same as in a 1903 Colt.A PPK 380 is the same as a Colt 1908 or Beretta 84. I'm through.
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
Mark...Howcome you went to bed so early!!!![8D]
The only two retarded (delayed) blowback pistols I am know of consist of the Czech Vz52 and the old HK P9/P9S series of handguns. No one else has chosen to go that route since the more common Browning "swing link" and Browning "cam", or the "locking wedge" from the Walther P38 and Beretta Model 92 are just as reliable and effective, less expensive, and much easier to fit into the confines of a handgun's action. The barrel on the Makarov is fixed because the original Walther PP design found that there was no reason to add the complication of a movable the barrel to a blow back operated handgun. Walther's competitors over at Mauser felt otherwise and the folks at Oberndorf deisgned their HSc with a barrel which is easily removed from the frame along with the slide. There are plenty of pros and cons on the virtues of the HSc vs. PP (I have examples of each) but I have never heard the issue of a removable barrel as a factor except that the PP with a fixed barrel can be easily silenced while the HSc cannot.
When the hammer drops on a loaded round the bullet moves forward and since there is an equal but opposite reaction the cartridge case moves to the rear. The weight of the slide and its spring vs. the power of the 9mm Makarov service cartridge is enormous but given time the cartridge overcomes its mechanical disadvantage and pushes the slide to the rear and opens the breech but by this time the bullet has left the barrel and pressures have dropped down to safe levels. The rim of the cartridge is grasped at all times by the extractor and when the case passes over a fixed ejector the spent case is tossed out of the pistol taking a considerable amount of heat with it. Where does "striction" fit into this equation? Walther developed the PP (which the Makarov is simply a copy of) back in 1929 and if you feel that it is based on cheap and careless engineering you stand in a very small group of people who've been pretty darned satisified with the design for 75+ years!
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
Super reply!!!
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob
BTW- doesn't the H&K P-7 series use a gas delayed Blowback ?