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IDIOT at the range. should be dead...
mrmike08075
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i witnessed another total cluster f*** at the range this weekend. DARWIN was right about nature thinning out the herd and improving the species by letting the less intellagent folks accidently kill themselves off through acts of extreme stupidity...
witness the gent who purchesed a DOM 1914 COLT COMMERCIAL MODEL .45 SEMIAUTO from a competing web sight. 95% condition, in its original box, with the original magazine...
when, after firing about 60 rounds through the gun, he complained that "something did not feel right" and asked for assistance...
seems he had put about 60 rounds of 230 gr FMJ modern ammo through his gun....
seems that the gun was not headspacing correctly, and the rounds were only going about 80% into the chamber...
seems that the cases suffered massive failure... splitting down there length, expanding (blowing out) the unchambered portion, pinhole burn-through acting like a mini blowtorch inside the gun... firing without the slide completly closed / in battery...
he cracked the frame on both sides, about 75% through...below the BBL chamber junction....
he wants to go to the shop he bought the ammo at and complain, demand a refund, and recoupe repair / replacement costs...
230 gr FMJ modern ammo through a 1914 DOM COMMERCIAL COLT...
how ignorant / stupid / unconcerned / can you be???
i cringe at the thought of how much this gun was worth...
i cringe on the rarity, and collectability of this piece...
95%, in box, with accsesories...
its bad enough he shot the gun at all, but with modern hardball 230 gr FMJ ammo???
he does not understand that he should be dead, or a * with a ruined hand, or perhaps permanently blind...
WHAT DO YOU DO / SAY to folks like this...
10 minutes of research on the web, or the purchase of 1 or 2 books would have stopped this cold... 2-3 friendly questions at the range...
[B)][:(][:0][:(!][xx(]
best regards, mike.
What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
witness the gent who purchesed a DOM 1914 COLT COMMERCIAL MODEL .45 SEMIAUTO from a competing web sight. 95% condition, in its original box, with the original magazine...
when, after firing about 60 rounds through the gun, he complained that "something did not feel right" and asked for assistance...
seems he had put about 60 rounds of 230 gr FMJ modern ammo through his gun....
seems that the gun was not headspacing correctly, and the rounds were only going about 80% into the chamber...
seems that the cases suffered massive failure... splitting down there length, expanding (blowing out) the unchambered portion, pinhole burn-through acting like a mini blowtorch inside the gun... firing without the slide completly closed / in battery...
he cracked the frame on both sides, about 75% through...below the BBL chamber junction....
he wants to go to the shop he bought the ammo at and complain, demand a refund, and recoupe repair / replacement costs...
230 gr FMJ modern ammo through a 1914 DOM COMMERCIAL COLT...
how ignorant / stupid / unconcerned / can you be???
i cringe at the thought of how much this gun was worth...
i cringe on the rarity, and collectability of this piece...
95%, in box, with accsesories...
its bad enough he shot the gun at all, but with modern hardball 230 gr FMJ ammo???
he does not understand that he should be dead, or a * with a ruined hand, or perhaps permanently blind...
WHAT DO YOU DO / SAY to folks like this...
10 minutes of research on the web, or the purchase of 1 or 2 books would have stopped this cold... 2-3 friendly questions at the range...
[B)][:(][:0][:(!][xx(]
best regards, mike.
What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
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Woods
"... there is much truth in the Italian saying, 'Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you.'" -- Benjamin Franklin
ie, should not be fired, as the slides and frames have been known to exhibit weakness, and experiance cracks...
i though the older COLT pistols had a history of problems like this...
i have been wrong before...
please let us know what the real deal is.
best regards, mike.
What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
Would concur that he should have checked the weapon. You have to ALWAYS ask yourself WHY a gun lay unfired for so long. Surely it was purchased to be fired, but for some reason the owner decided not to.
Perhaps he detected a problem with it? A number of rotten "like new" guns have come to light.
The barrel sounds like the culprit here.
Any man can shoot a gun, and with practice he can draw fast and shoot accurately, but that makes no difference. What counts is how you stand up when somebody is shooting back at you.
To die for what one believes is all very well for those so inclined, but it has always seemed to me the most vain of solutions. There is no cause worth dying for that is not better served by living. L'Amour
Think about doing it several dozen times.[:D][xx(][xx(]
I LOVE MY COLT!
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All 1911s should be periodically checked for disconnector function by pushing the muzzle & barrel together to the rear 1/4" and with the hammer at full cock, pull the trigger. The hammer should not fall. THE PISTOL MUST BE UNLOADED for this test.
In good condition, all 1911 & 1911A1s are safe with standard military ball ammunition.
Hey, wait a second. The disconnector's function is to prevent the 1911 from firing out of battery. If it did actually fire out of battery, the disconnector spring needs to be rebent or replaced little late for that, but I wish I understood exactly how all the parts interacted with a new modern spring. GI combo trigger/disconnector/grip safety springs are soft and require occasional rebending.
All 1911s should be periodically checked for disconnector function by pushing the muzzle & barrel together to the rear 1/4" and with the hammer at full cock, pull the trigger. The hammer should not fall. THE PISTOL MUST BE UNLOADED for this test. My favorite line. If the guy mentioned above got this "test" advice, imagine him shooting himself through the palm, grazing his cheek or chest. OUCH! 230 GR. HURTS!
In good condition, all 1911 & 1911A1s are safe with standard military ball ammunition.
Rafter-S
Sounds like something was wrong with the gun or chamber maybe before he started using it?
I measured it and cut it twice, and it's still too short!
A. Leave the bolt unlocked and pull the trigger, giving the bolt the same but opposite-direction momentum as the bullet
B. Remove the round and inspect it and the gun thoroughly to figure out why the bolt won't close
I know I'd choose B, and hope that anyone who chooses A only hurts themselves and not anyone else. Glad nobody was hurt in your case.
PJ
If nobody seen you do it, how could you have done it. NRA Life Member, AF&AM
i did not have RANGE DUTY that day, and only witnessed the end of the incident. i concur that there must have been at least 2 differant / seperate malfunctions occuring at the same time.
i just cant wrap my head around the fact that he kept firing the gun... he emptied the 1st 50 rd box, and got over 10 rds into the second before he noticed any problem.(over 8 full mags).
we are pretty helpful at the range. ask around among the RANGE SAFTEY OFFICERS or any standing member and you will get help. the local shop (were i work / lounge) is only 5 minutes away, with a gunsmith inside.i kept 1 of the empty cases to ponder over.
i do own a large number of vintage firearms that do fine with modern ammo. i just thought that older COLT guns were sometimes suspect.
thanks for the input.
best regards, mike.
What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
i kept one of the empties...
scary event.
best regards, mike.
What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
Woods
"... there is much truth in the Italian saying, 'Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you.'" -- Benjamin Franklin