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quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
I think she was mentally ill and killed herself.
I've dealt with people like that, and she looks like she was nutty from the get go. I hate to use the term "attitude", but it went beyond a bad attitude and into some pretty weird behavior...
you call that bad attitude ? I would call that just being pissed off at a smart * cop that needs to learn how to deal with folks
quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
you call that bad attitude ? I would call that just being pissed off at a smart * cop that needs to learn how to deal with folks
Suicide is a pretty extreme reaction to that. [:D]
I agree that it appears this gal had mental issues. Care to bet on whether she had a track record of psych treatment?
If she had adhered to Chris Rocks' video on how not to get your * kicked by the cops in a traffic stop she would have never had a problem.
I agree lane change signal is BS. I have had this debate with cop friends many times and when we are in a car together I always win the debate.
I simply say (in heavy traffic) i will now signal and then the cars close ranks and prevent me from changing lanes or I don't signal and easily merge with no problem or danger.
Any decent LEO looks at intention not the letter. If it was not unsafe and not done erratically they know the difference unless they are a Nazi minded person.
However, once stopped this woman was a textbook case on how not to treat an LEO.
Want to go to jail?
Do what she did.
The best way to avoid losing an argument with an LEO is to not have one. You got pulled even unfairly so how does making it worse help you?
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
quote:Originally posted by riflemike
if they stomp the breaks when i am behind and dont give a signal i dont like it, but i dont get pissed
but if it pisses you when they dont give a signal changing lanes, you need some anger management
like nunn says he does it Hoping to get something else, be it an attitude , expired license, warrant etc..he said it I didnt
"I was usually not looking for a ticket, but for a DWI or a good stop so I could run someone for warrants. I think I ever wrote ONE ticket for failing to signal intent to change lanes, and I did that because the driver told me I couldn't
at least he was honest about it....and i still bet he doesnt signal every time he changes lanes....ok quick poll, who signals everytime they change lanes????? anyont , anyone
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
If she had adhered to Chris Rocks' video on how not to get your * kicked by the cops in a traffic stop she would have never had a problem.
I agree lane change signal is BS. I have had this debate with cop friends many times and when we are in a car together I always win the debate.
I simply say (in heavy traffic) i will now signal and then the cars close ranks and prevent me from changing lanes or I don't signal and easily merge with no problem or danger.
Any decent LEO looks at intention not the letter. If it was not unsafe and not done erratically they know the difference unless they are a Nazi minded person.
However, once stopped this woman was a textbook case on how not to treat an LEO.
Want to go to jail?
Do what she did.
The best way to avoid losing an argument with an LEO is to not have one. You got pulled even unfairly so how does making it worse help you?
Sandra Bland had no patience for apathy. In January, the suburban Chicago native started recording videos about police brutality in a series she called Sandy Speaks. The idea was to start a dialogue about current events with her young nephews, but a few months later, she could no longer stand sifting through the usual social media fodder.
"If you're black and not posting about black unification, get the bleen off social media," read a meme-like image Bland posted on April 11. "Right now we don't care about your birthday, your club pics, your dinner plates, your * shots, twerk videos, model shots, or any other irrelevant * poop not mentioned."
Now that Bland has been found dead in a Texas jail cell, that urgency seems more than a little eerie.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by riflemike
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
If she had adhered to Chris Rocks' video on how not to get your * kicked by the cops in a traffic stop she would have never had a problem.
I agree lane change signal is BS. I have had this debate with cop friends many times and when we are in a car together I always win the debate.
I simply say (in heavy traffic) i will now signal and then the cars close ranks and prevent me from changing lanes or I don't signal and easily merge with no problem or danger.
Any decent LEO looks at intention not the letter. If it was not unsafe and not done erratically they know the difference unless they are a Nazi minded person.
However, once stopped this woman was a textbook case on how not to treat an LEO.
Want to go to jail?
Do what she did.
The best way to avoid losing an argument with an LEO is to not have one. You got pulled even unfairly so how does making it worse help you?
..A poll? Yes...I always signal. One thing I taught my boys is to never, ever fail to comply with Mr. Officer. His stop was bogus? Maybe, maybe not. From the moment of the stop...COMPLY without question. Cigarette smoke bother him? Put it out. Put your hands where you're told. Life goes so much easier.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by riflemike
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
The Law in Fl. says 100' of signal before a lane change or a turn.It's one of the questions on the drivers written test.
thats reasonable but still shoudlnt be a violation,, again JMHO, and only because like a said prolly 95% of cops dont
It's a law, but it shouldn't be a violation? W T F kind if logic is that?
Wait.... Are you looking for logic in one of these threads?
I think you would have a better chance of finding a Unicorn crapping Rainbow Poop on a Leprechaun's head.
quote:Originally posted by tapwater
..A poll? Yes...I always signal. One thing I taught my boys is to never, ever fail to comply with Mr. Officer. His stop was bogus? Maybe, maybe not. From the moment of the stop...COMPLY without question. Cigarette smoke bother him? Put it out. Put your hands where you're told. Life goes so much easier.
I am continually amazed at the reasonableness of cops. A couple months ago I trimmed a 8 very large rose bushes. They had gotten huge and it took me two hours to get them all pared down and the pickup truck loaded to the gills. I didn't want to throw a net over that huge mess as there were thorns half an inch long on those things. So I threw a heavy log on top of the mess and headed off to the dump at a low speed.
A couple miles down the road I got pulled over. The cop told me that stuff had fallen off my truck and was messing up traffic. I told him I was sorry, that I hadn't seen it fall off, and that I would secure the load better and that I'd go back and clean up the mess I made. I did all of that. I also mentally kicked myself for being lazy and not doing a better job of tying down the load.
No ticket, no angry exchange, just a cop asking me not to do a bad thing and me complying.
I don't understand why people get all worked up and angry.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by tapwater
..A poll? Yes...I always signal. One thing I taught my boys is to never, ever fail to comply with Mr. Officer. His stop was bogus? Maybe, maybe not. From the moment of the stop...COMPLY without question. Cigarette smoke bother him? Put it out. Put your hands where you're told. Life goes so much easier.
..Point well taken! I'm speaking of a one on one where you're likely to get a verbal or written warning. I know....small increments can lead down a very dark path but there's no need to make your life miserable over a traffic stop.
Posted - 07/22/2015 : 1:42:00 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jgreen
I think she was mentally ill and killed herself.
I've dealt with people like that, and she looks like she was nutty from the get go. I hate to use the term "attitude", but it went beyond a bad attitude and into some pretty weird behavior...
you call that bad attitude ? I would call that just being pissed off at a smart * cop that needs to learn how to deal with folks
Being pissed off is one thing; and I am not going to say that the Cop didn't escalate or overreact. This wasn't about "what is the best response to a bs traffic stop" or "what is the best way to deal with a pissed off motorist".
But this wasn't pissed off behavior. This was behavior that was simply not normal. If you're pulled over and pissed off, you don't argue about your cigarette. Her reaction wasn't merely inappropriate, but off base to the point of "what does she think is going on here?"
Being pissed off is one thing; and I am not going to say that the Cop didn't escalate or overreact. This wasn't about "what is the best response to a bs traffic stop" or "what is the best way to deal with a pissed off motorist".
But this wasn't pissed off behavior. This was behavior that was simply not normal. If you're pulled over and pissed off, you don't argue about your cigarette. Her reaction wasn't merely inappropriate, but off base to the point of "what does she think is going on here?"
She was an activist from Chicago out to prove a point.
Apparently she also had pre-exiting mental issues.
The activist in her challenged the cop. Her internal issues caused her to kill herself.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Alright, all BS aside. Is it illegal to be stressed and smoke a cigarette in your own car???? What was the purpose of pulling her out of her car??? Attitude is not illegal the last time I checked. Both the cop and woman were on a power trip. I'm sorry, but this time I am siding with the driver and not the cop. I feel he had no right to pull her out of the car and threaten her like that for her attitude and smoking a cigarette. Both were wrong, but he should know better. I guess that is why he was suspended.
quote:Originally posted by Oakie
Alright, all BS aside. Is it illegal to be stressed and smoke a cigarette in your own car???? What was the purpose of pulling her out of her car??? Attitude is not illegal the last time I checked. Both the cop and woman were on a power trip. I'm sorry, but this time I am siding with the driver and not the cop. I feel he had no right to pull her out of the car and threaten her like that for her attitude and smoking a cigarette. Both were wrong, but he should know better. I guess that is why he was suspended.
I believe he had the right to do what he did, but I think he was wrong to do it.
If you have ever interacted with an activist types, you know they can quickly get under your skin in a hurry. He should not have taken the bait.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
Azzhole probably gave you a dozen donuts, didn't he?[8D]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
[:D]
I've actually heard people talk trash about a cop who pulled them over but didn't issue them a ticket, claiming that as proof the stop was bogus.
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
[:D]
I've actually heard people talk trash about a cop who pulled them over but didn't issue them a ticket, claiming that as proof the stop was bogus.
it routinely happens here as a way of searching vehicles , ive had it happen twice, remember this ?
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
[:D]
I've actually heard people talk trash about a cop who pulled them over but didn't issue them a ticket, claiming that as proof the stop was bogus.
Everytime one of my guys catches a complaint for giving a warning I remind them, next time just stroke them out a summons. [;)]
At 15 I was kidnapped by three police detectives and held on the filthy floor of an unmarked car as they beat on me, threatened me, tried to get me to own up to a crime they never described. Took me around and they'd yank me head up off the floor by my hair, stick a bright light in face and ask somebody looking inside if I was the one. Only they didn't say it that way. When they finally figured out they'd actually just picked up some teenaged middle class "A-Student" white boy walking to visit his girlfriend and watch TV with the family, they tossed me out of the moving car onto somebody's lawn. Took a while but I figured out where I was and walked home, arriving well after midnight.
So that was the intro to the "Do you trust cops?" question.
I've known many since and the answer today is I trust those I know personally and am cautious around those I do not. I am always respectful and do as asked in traffic stops, though it's been years since the last one.
In this case I'd say the cop blew it. He made the situation worse. He did not need to know more, he did not need to dig in with emotional questions. He did not need to order her out of the car. He was at the point of handing her a warning and clearing the stop. His demands that she talk about her obvious dislike of him and for her to put out the cigarette were both unnecessary and out of line. With those being the causes of him ordering her out of the car, that too is out of line.
There are far more cops out there just doing their jobs and trying to deal with the daily troubles that come along. Then there are those who are looking for opportunities to be confrontational. Sometimes you run into a cop that is either type on different days, I've know a couple of those.
The next big question is how did she manage to hang herself with a plastic bag? Where'd she get that bag? How much of the "suicide" is on video? If it is on video, how is it that no one saw to stop it?
Lots of questions yet to be answered on this thing.
FWIW, I do signal intent to turn and intent to change lanes, very nearly every time. It was something I stressed to rookies when I was a FTO. We are the most visible arm of local government. People are watching. Drive as though they are.
I didn't watch the video, just enough of it to see the violator acting a complete moron. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The request to put out the cigarette is bad news, just like the request to get out of the car. It is usually followed by a request to turn around and be handcuffed.
Watching the video I don't understand what the arrest was for. Because she would not put out the cigarette? What did the officer care if she was smoking while confined in her stopped vehicle? Smoking, drinking a Coke, eating a sandwich, who cares as long as she signs the citation. It must have been the cigarette, as the officer was not interested in having her exit her vehicle until she refused to put out her cigarette. Was the cigarette a threat to the officer? Hardly, he was out side the vehicle and controlled his position and she was confined inside. Giving her a pen to sign the citation would be more of a threat, a pen is an effective stabbing instrument. I would prefer someone not smoke when I have them stopped and confined in their vehicle, but I would not consider it an arrest situation.
quote:Originally posted by capgun
Watching the video I don't understand what the arrest was for. Because she would not put out the cigarette? What did the officer care if she was smoking while confined in her stopped vehicle? Smoking, drinking a Coke, eating a sandwich, who cares as long as she signs the citation. It must have been the cigarette, as the officer was not interested in having her exit her vehicle until she refused to put out her cigarette. Was the cigarette a threat to the officer? Hardly, he was out side the vehicle and controlled his position and she was confined inside. Giving her a pen to sign the citation would be more of a threat, a pen is an effective stabbing instrument. I would prefer someone not smoke when I have them stopped and confined in their vehicle, but I would not consider it an arrest situation.
The stop was a fishing expedition. The arrest was because he got his feeling hurt. Cop should be fired but because cops back up other cops he will be rewarded with days off. There will be a suit for wrongful death and this video will be used to show that if the cop had not been an *, she would not have been arrested and therefore not been in a jail cell in order to kill her self. Don
quote:Originally posted by dcon12
quote:Originally posted by capgun
Watching the video I don't understand what the arrest was for. Because she would not put out the cigarette? What did the officer care if she was smoking while confined in her stopped vehicle? Smoking, drinking a Coke, eating a sandwich, who cares as long as she signs the citation. It must have been the cigarette, as the officer was not interested in having her exit her vehicle until she refused to put out her cigarette. Was the cigarette a threat to the officer? Hardly, he was out side the vehicle and controlled his position and she was confined inside. Giving her a pen to sign the citation would be more of a threat, a pen is an effective stabbing instrument. I would prefer someone not smoke when I have them stopped and confined in their vehicle, but I would not consider it an arrest situation.
The stop was a fishing expedition. The arrest was because he got his feeling hurt. Cop should be fired but because cops back up other cops he will be rewarded with days off. There will be a suit for wrongful death and this video will be used to show that if the cop had not been an *, she would not have been arrested and therefore not been in a jail cell in order to kill her self. Don
These opinions are fine but what we need to take away and relay to our kids is not to act anything like this woman.
Do you want your daughter to come home from a stop or prove she can be as big an * as a cop having a bad day? Really???
I warned my kids repeatedly, A cop has the right to be wrong and you do not have the right to be right.
Once you understand that and accept it you walk away with a ticket or less or refuse to accept that reality and end up arrested, beat up or even dead.
Life is not fair and traffic stops can be a game and the winner uses his brain not his mouth
Spout off all the rights and wrongs and how bad you are or should be I will let the cop win and know that is as good as it will get for me.
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
quote:Originally posted by evileye fleagal
why cant you smoke while they write a ticket?
The fear is outside the car a person could use a cigarette against an officer's eyes. Flick or jab it in an eye. That's not my experience talking, I'm not a cop. It's something cops I know and trust have told me.
Problem is she was not outside the car at the time the officer ordered her to put it out. She was in the car. Could not have attacked him with it. He only ordered her out after she refused to stop smoking. It was his hurt feelings that caused him to escalate to an arrest.
quote:Originally posted by riflemike
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
The Trooper let her attitude affect his attitude, that I agree with,
What I don't agree with is riflemike pulling statistics out of his lower receiving group.
First it was 99% of Cops do it too, then it quickly dropped to 95% of Cops do it too.
Then he takes a comment made by Nunn, and uses it to beat a dead horse to show that all Cops do it. If Nunn said so, then it must be right.
Nunn speaks for Nunn, and I don't doubt his statement, but do not assume that all LEO's do it.
When you ASSUME something you make as *-out of U-&-ME!
Bottom line the stop was a good stop. The arrest was good too, but with his demeanor it was done in a manner that opened the Trooper up for scrutiny.
He didn't kill her, he just stopped someone who committed a traffic violation in his presence. That's what he gets paid for!
Trinity +++
ok i will stick with 99 percent I am gonna starting keeping count of every LEO i see switch lanes, no signal,
Maybe you should, 99 or 95, still if 50 percent do and then stop an average joe for It, Its BS
Just don't count the number of cops that are obviously exceeding the speed limit without lights and sirens one. We recently had a a story with a state patrol that was clocked at 80? In a 55 zone (I forget the exact number, but can be easily searched on the web) and when the local smokey turned around to stop said speeder... He simply turned off his lights and went back to whatever it was he was doing when he realized it was a trooper. I wish I was above the law.
stupid me for thinking it was 80 in a 55... It was only 95mph in a 55. I'm sure it was something real important he was getting too.... All secret like and undercover....
I can only imagine what my punishment would be for exceeding the speed limit by that much, reckless endangerment comes to mind...but 300 bucks, while likely being on "paid leave" WTH ever.
Comments
I think she was mentally ill and killed herself.
I've dealt with people like that, and she looks like she was nutty from the get go. I hate to use the term "attitude", but it went beyond a bad attitude and into some pretty weird behavior...
you call that bad attitude ? I would call that just being pissed off at a smart * cop that needs to learn how to deal with folks
you call that bad attitude ? I would call that just being pissed off at a smart * cop that needs to learn how to deal with folks
Suicide is a pretty extreme reaction to that. [:D]
I agree that it appears this gal had mental issues. Care to bet on whether she had a track record of psych treatment?
I agree lane change signal is BS. I have had this debate with cop friends many times and when we are in a car together I always win the debate.
I simply say (in heavy traffic) i will now signal and then the cars close ranks and prevent me from changing lanes or I don't signal and easily merge with no problem or danger.
Any decent LEO looks at intention not the letter. If it was not unsafe and not done erratically they know the difference unless they are a Nazi minded person.
However, once stopped this woman was a textbook case on how not to treat an LEO.
Want to go to jail?
Do what she did.
The best way to avoid losing an argument with an LEO is to not have one. You got pulled even unfairly so how does making it worse help you?
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
I do.
It is what I was taught in drivers ED.
At 57 I still remember.
quote:Originally posted by riflemike
if they stomp the breaks when i am behind and dont give a signal i dont like it, but i dont get pissed
but if it pisses you when they dont give a signal changing lanes, you need some anger management
like nunn says he does it Hoping to get something else, be it an attitude , expired license, warrant etc..he said it I didnt
"I was usually not looking for a ticket, but for a DWI or a good stop so I could run someone for warrants. I think I ever wrote ONE ticket for failing to signal intent to change lanes, and I did that because the driver told me I couldn't
at least he was honest about it....and i still bet he doesnt signal every time he changes lanes....ok quick poll, who signals everytime they change lanes????? anyont , anyone
Ok anyone else[?]....dont be shy
If she had adhered to Chris Rocks' video on how not to get your * kicked by the cops in a traffic stop she would have never had a problem.
I agree lane change signal is BS. I have had this debate with cop friends many times and when we are in a car together I always win the debate.
I simply say (in heavy traffic) i will now signal and then the cars close ranks and prevent me from changing lanes or I don't signal and easily merge with no problem or danger.
Any decent LEO looks at intention not the letter. If it was not unsafe and not done erratically they know the difference unless they are a Nazi minded person.
However, once stopped this woman was a textbook case on how not to treat an LEO.
Want to go to jail?
Do what she did.
The best way to avoid losing an argument with an LEO is to not have one. You got pulled even unfairly so how does making it worse help you?
voice of logic
http://www.vice.com/read/what-we-know-so-far-about-sandra-bland-the-black-woman-found-hanging-in-a-texas-jail-cell-716
From the link:
Sandra Bland had no patience for apathy. In January, the suburban Chicago native started recording videos about police brutality in a series she called Sandy Speaks. The idea was to start a dialogue about current events with her young nephews, but a few months later, she could no longer stand sifting through the usual social media fodder.
"If you're black and not posting about black unification, get the bleen off social media," read a meme-like image Bland posted on April 11. "Right now we don't care about your birthday, your club pics, your dinner plates, your * shots, twerk videos, model shots, or any other irrelevant * poop not mentioned."
Now that Bland has been found dead in a Texas jail cell, that urgency seems more than a little eerie.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
If she had adhered to Chris Rocks' video on how not to get your * kicked by the cops in a traffic stop she would have never had a problem.
I agree lane change signal is BS. I have had this debate with cop friends many times and when we are in a car together I always win the debate.
I simply say (in heavy traffic) i will now signal and then the cars close ranks and prevent me from changing lanes or I don't signal and easily merge with no problem or danger.
Any decent LEO looks at intention not the letter. If it was not unsafe and not done erratically they know the difference unless they are a Nazi minded person.
However, once stopped this woman was a textbook case on how not to treat an LEO.
Want to go to jail?
Do what she did.
The best way to avoid losing an argument with an LEO is to not have one. You got pulled even unfairly so how does making it worse help you?
voice of logic
http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=654911
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by riflemike
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
The Law in Fl. says 100' of signal before a lane change or a turn.It's one of the questions on the drivers written test.
thats reasonable but still shoudlnt be a violation,, again JMHO, and only because like a said prolly 95% of cops dont
It's a law, but it shouldn't be a violation? W T F kind if logic is that?
Wait.... Are you looking for logic in one of these threads?
I think you would have a better chance of finding a Unicorn crapping Rainbow Poop on a Leprechaun's head.
My bad.....it won't happen again. [;)]
..A poll? Yes...I always signal. One thing I taught my boys is to never, ever fail to comply with Mr. Officer. His stop was bogus? Maybe, maybe not. From the moment of the stop...COMPLY without question. Cigarette smoke bother him? Put it out. Put your hands where you're told. Life goes so much easier.
A couple miles down the road I got pulled over. The cop told me that stuff had fallen off my truck and was messing up traffic. I told him I was sorry, that I hadn't seen it fall off, and that I would secure the load better and that I'd go back and clean up the mess I made. I did all of that. I also mentally kicked myself for being lazy and not doing a better job of tying down the load.
No ticket, no angry exchange, just a cop asking me not to do a bad thing and me complying.
I don't understand why people get all worked up and angry.
quote:Originally posted by tapwater
..A poll? Yes...I always signal. One thing I taught my boys is to never, ever fail to comply with Mr. Officer. His stop was bogus? Maybe, maybe not. From the moment of the stop...COMPLY without question. Cigarette smoke bother him? Put it out. Put your hands where you're told. Life goes so much easier.
..Point well taken! I'm speaking of a one on one where you're likely to get a verbal or written warning. I know....small increments can lead down a very dark path but there's no need to make your life miserable over a traffic stop.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
Brad Steele
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Posted - 07/22/2015 : 1:42:00 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jgreen
I think she was mentally ill and killed herself.
I've dealt with people like that, and she looks like she was nutty from the get go. I hate to use the term "attitude", but it went beyond a bad attitude and into some pretty weird behavior...
you call that bad attitude ? I would call that just being pissed off at a smart * cop that needs to learn how to deal with folks
Being pissed off is one thing; and I am not going to say that the Cop didn't escalate or overreact. This wasn't about "what is the best response to a bs traffic stop" or "what is the best way to deal with a pissed off motorist".
But this wasn't pissed off behavior. This was behavior that was simply not normal. If you're pulled over and pissed off, you don't argue about your cigarette. Her reaction wasn't merely inappropriate, but off base to the point of "what does she think is going on here?"
Being pissed off is one thing; and I am not going to say that the Cop didn't escalate or overreact. This wasn't about "what is the best response to a bs traffic stop" or "what is the best way to deal with a pissed off motorist".
But this wasn't pissed off behavior. This was behavior that was simply not normal. If you're pulled over and pissed off, you don't argue about your cigarette. Her reaction wasn't merely inappropriate, but off base to the point of "what does she think is going on here?"
She was an activist from Chicago out to prove a point.
Apparently she also had pre-exiting mental issues.
The activist in her challenged the cop. Her internal issues caused her to kill herself.
Brad Steele
....Under the jawbone, about at the sub maxillary gland, really,
really hurts!
All I know is how sore and bruised I was after that week of Police Academy. [:p]
What I don't agree with is riflemike pulling statistics out of his lower receiving group.
First it was 99% of Cops do it too, then it quickly dropped to 95% of Cops do it too.
Then he takes a comment made by Nunn, and uses it to beat a dead horse to show that all Cops do it. If Nunn said so, then it must be right.
Nunn speaks for Nunn, and I don't doubt his statement, but do not assume that all LEO's do it.
When you ASSUME something you make as *-out of U-&-ME!
Bottom line the stop was a good stop. The arrest was good too, but with his demeanor it was done in a manner that opened the Trooper up for scrutiny.
He didn't kill her, he just stopped someone who committed a traffic violation in his presence. That's what he gets paid for!
Trinity +++
Alright, all BS aside. Is it illegal to be stressed and smoke a cigarette in your own car???? What was the purpose of pulling her out of her car??? Attitude is not illegal the last time I checked. Both the cop and woman were on a power trip. I'm sorry, but this time I am siding with the driver and not the cop. I feel he had no right to pull her out of the car and threaten her like that for her attitude and smoking a cigarette. Both were wrong, but he should know better. I guess that is why he was suspended.
I believe he had the right to do what he did, but I think he was wrong to do it.
If you have ever interacted with an activist types, you know they can quickly get under your skin in a hurry. He should not have taken the bait.
Brad Steele
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
Azzhole probably gave you a dozen donuts, didn't he?[8D]
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
[:D]
I've actually heard people talk trash about a cop who pulled them over but didn't issue them a ticket, claiming that as proof the stop was bogus.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
[:D]
I've actually heard people talk trash about a cop who pulled them over but didn't issue them a ticket, claiming that as proof the stop was bogus.
it routinely happens here as a way of searching vehicles , ive had it happen twice, remember this ?
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/2014/03/17/collinsville-traffic-stop-viral/6509275/
http://www.rawstory.com/2011/01/false-positives-police-canines-searches/
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
I got pulled over about 15 years ago for a taillight problem. Went to signal a turn and both turn signal lights blinked.
Sorry * cop came up and in addition to the taillight issue, told me my tabs were expired.
He then demanded my insurance information and driver's license
Insurance info was apparently OK to the pig, but he then saw fit to inform me that my driver's license had expired.
Non-functioning turn signals, expired tabs, and an expired DL, and the clown gives me a warning.
Too lazy to do your friggen job, copper?
[:D]
I've actually heard people talk trash about a cop who pulled them over but didn't issue them a ticket, claiming that as proof the stop was bogus.
Everytime one of my guys catches a complaint for giving a warning I remind them, next time just stroke them out a summons. [;)]
So that was the intro to the "Do you trust cops?" question.
I've known many since and the answer today is I trust those I know personally and am cautious around those I do not. I am always respectful and do as asked in traffic stops, though it's been years since the last one.
In this case I'd say the cop blew it. He made the situation worse. He did not need to know more, he did not need to dig in with emotional questions. He did not need to order her out of the car. He was at the point of handing her a warning and clearing the stop. His demands that she talk about her obvious dislike of him and for her to put out the cigarette were both unnecessary and out of line. With those being the causes of him ordering her out of the car, that too is out of line.
There are far more cops out there just doing their jobs and trying to deal with the daily troubles that come along. Then there are those who are looking for opportunities to be confrontational. Sometimes you run into a cop that is either type on different days, I've know a couple of those.
The next big question is how did she manage to hang herself with a plastic bag? Where'd she get that bag? How much of the "suicide" is on video? If it is on video, how is it that no one saw to stop it?
Lots of questions yet to be answered on this thing.
The Trooper let her attitude affect his attitude, that I agree with,
What I don't agree with is riflemike pulling statistics out of his lower receiving group.
First it was 99% of Cops do it too, then it quickly dropped to 95% of Cops do it too.
Then he takes a comment made by Nunn, and uses it to beat a dead horse to show that all Cops do it. If Nunn said so, then it must be right.
Nunn speaks for Nunn, and I don't doubt his statement, but do not assume that all LEO's do it.
When you ASSUME something you make as *-out of U-&-ME!
Bottom line the stop was a good stop. The arrest was good too, but with his demeanor it was done in a manner that opened the Trooper up for scrutiny.
He didn't kill her, he just stopped someone who committed a traffic violation in his presence. That's what he gets paid for!
Trinity +++
ok i will stick with 99 percent I am gonna starting keeping count of every LEO i see switch lanes, no signal,
Maybe you should, 99 or 95, still if 50 percent do and then stop an average joe for It, Its BS
Its a BS stop, if you ant gonna give em a ticket to get revenue , why stop for that, lets all say it together, Yea beat that horse again NUNN said it.
FISHING
and as Billary said "what difference does it make at this point", SHE is DEAD, just like the guys in Bengahzi
Don't click on 1911's link
Kapersky caught that snit
mine are fine, ones a local news station I have posted often, the other may have a pop up if you don't have a blocker
I didn't watch the video, just enough of it to see the violator acting a complete moron. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The request to put out the cigarette is bad news, just like the request to get out of the car. It is usually followed by a request to turn around and be handcuffed.
Watching the video I don't understand what the arrest was for. Because she would not put out the cigarette? What did the officer care if she was smoking while confined in her stopped vehicle? Smoking, drinking a Coke, eating a sandwich, who cares as long as she signs the citation. It must have been the cigarette, as the officer was not interested in having her exit her vehicle until she refused to put out her cigarette. Was the cigarette a threat to the officer? Hardly, he was out side the vehicle and controlled his position and she was confined inside. Giving her a pen to sign the citation would be more of a threat, a pen is an effective stabbing instrument. I would prefer someone not smoke when I have them stopped and confined in their vehicle, but I would not consider it an arrest situation.
The stop was a fishing expedition. The arrest was because he got his feeling hurt. Cop should be fired but because cops back up other cops he will be rewarded with days off. There will be a suit for wrongful death and this video will be used to show that if the cop had not been an *, she would not have been arrested and therefore not been in a jail cell in order to kill her self. Don
quote:Originally posted by capgun
Watching the video I don't understand what the arrest was for. Because she would not put out the cigarette? What did the officer care if she was smoking while confined in her stopped vehicle? Smoking, drinking a Coke, eating a sandwich, who cares as long as she signs the citation. It must have been the cigarette, as the officer was not interested in having her exit her vehicle until she refused to put out her cigarette. Was the cigarette a threat to the officer? Hardly, he was out side the vehicle and controlled his position and she was confined inside. Giving her a pen to sign the citation would be more of a threat, a pen is an effective stabbing instrument. I would prefer someone not smoke when I have them stopped and confined in their vehicle, but I would not consider it an arrest situation.
The stop was a fishing expedition. The arrest was because he got his feeling hurt. Cop should be fired but because cops back up other cops he will be rewarded with days off. There will be a suit for wrongful death and this video will be used to show that if the cop had not been an *, she would not have been arrested and therefore not been in a jail cell in order to kill her self. Don
Agreed.
Do you want your daughter to come home from a stop or prove she can be as big an * as a cop having a bad day? Really???
I warned my kids repeatedly, A cop has the right to be wrong and you do not have the right to be right.
Once you understand that and accept it you walk away with a ticket or less or refuse to accept that reality and end up arrested, beat up or even dead.
Life is not fair and traffic stops can be a game and the winner uses his brain not his mouth
Spout off all the rights and wrongs and how bad you are or should be I will let the cop win and know that is as good as it will get for me.
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
why cant you smoke while they write a ticket?
The fear is outside the car a person could use a cigarette against an officer's eyes. Flick or jab it in an eye. That's not my experience talking, I'm not a cop. It's something cops I know and trust have told me.
Problem is she was not outside the car at the time the officer ordered her to put it out. She was in the car. Could not have attacked him with it. He only ordered her out after she refused to stop smoking. It was his hurt feelings that caused him to escalate to an arrest.
AS apposed to an above average joe, or an under privileged joe???
I sure would want to be blamed for profiling the joes...[;)]
Trinity +++
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
The Trooper let her attitude affect his attitude, that I agree with,
What I don't agree with is riflemike pulling statistics out of his lower receiving group.
First it was 99% of Cops do it too, then it quickly dropped to 95% of Cops do it too.
Then he takes a comment made by Nunn, and uses it to beat a dead horse to show that all Cops do it. If Nunn said so, then it must be right.
Nunn speaks for Nunn, and I don't doubt his statement, but do not assume that all LEO's do it.
When you ASSUME something you make as *-out of U-&-ME!
Bottom line the stop was a good stop. The arrest was good too, but with his demeanor it was done in a manner that opened the Trooper up for scrutiny.
He didn't kill her, he just stopped someone who committed a traffic violation in his presence. That's what he gets paid for!
Trinity +++
ok i will stick with 99 percent I am gonna starting keeping count of every LEO i see switch lanes, no signal,
Maybe you should, 99 or 95, still if 50 percent do and then stop an average joe for It, Its BS
Just don't count the number of cops that are obviously exceeding the speed limit without lights and sirens one. We recently had a a story with a state patrol that was clocked at 80? In a 55 zone (I forget the exact number, but can be easily searched on the web) and when the local smokey turned around to stop said speeder... He simply turned off his lights and went back to whatever it was he was doing when he realized it was a trooper. I wish I was above the law.
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_28401117/minnesota-state-trooper-charged-going-94-55-zone
I can only imagine what my punishment would be for exceeding the speed limit by that much, reckless endangerment comes to mind...but 300 bucks, while likely being on "paid leave" WTH ever.
82.9% of the people who read that will not know what to believe.