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quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
been at work so couldn't post until now
yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ? then every thing he did to her is a criminal act is it not ? and if that happens then isn't he guilty of her death ? doesn't matter that she took her own life , if she's a victim of a crime against her by the trooper, he's screwed
like I said just look at it from the other side , and don't you think that is just what her family will be doing ?
Of course they are. They are deciding right now how much money they can get out of this. They could have bailed her out of jail, but probably bought some crack instead.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Now, did I kill these two people?
You did not kill the lesbian.
You did, however, suggest that the child molester would fair poorly in a prison environment, which no doubt led him to towards the decision that he made.
You probably did him a favor, but yes, you were instrumental in his choice to kill himself, though you did not actually kill him.
Edit: The phrasing should have been 'towards' not 'to' the decision he made. I meant to suggest it was probably a factor in the decision, not the reason he made the decision.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Who is responsible for what? The legal theory is proximate cause. Bullies have been found guilty of criminal offenses for bullying that caused a person to commit suicide. I posted the baby and flash bang story. An officer intentionally lied to the judge to get a no knock warrant. Without the officer lying the warrant would not have been given and there were would have been no injury to the baby. Is the lying officer responsible for the baby's injury? If this traffic officers arrest was illegal or in violation of department policy that would link him closer to the final outcome. The action may not be criminally provable, but if a persons negligent or malicious behavior contributed to the outcome that person may be civilly culpable.
quote:Originally posted by oldrider
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
And if you keep reading, you see the crap keeps a pilin' up.
To even type that the circumstances of an arrest 3 days earlier are somehow tied to the suicide of an already unstable person takes a serious suspension of logic.
But as we previously discussed, logic has little place on one of these threads. Emotions are a great thing in sixth grade girl fights over boys....and GB anti-cop threads.
The officer is not responsible for the suicide. He is respobsible for escalating the stop.
The jail, any jail, is always responsible for keeping prisoners alive and not raped. If you have control of a person's freedom you have responsibility for their safety. Even if they are suicidal crazy people.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
The officer is not responsible for the suicide. He is respobsible for escalating the stop.
The jail, any jail, is always responsible for keeping prisoners alive and not raped. If you have control of a person's freedom you have responsibility for their safety. Even if they are suicidal crazy people.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by oldrider
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
And if you keep reading, you see the crap keeps a pilin' up.
To even type that the circumstances of an arrest 3 days earlier are somehow tied to the suicide of an already unstable person takes a serious suspension of logic.
But as we previously discussed, logic has little place on one of these threads. Emotions are a great thing in sixth grade girl fights over boys....and GB anti-cop threads.
Great fun to watch.
It sounds like you have never dealt with distraught, mentally unstable people. If you had that experience you would not be making these false statements. Suicides can be spontaneous, or they can be the result of a build up of cumulative events. But as has been said in the past, anyone with no knowledge of what they are talking about can post on an internet forum.
I will never understand all the cop bashing which goes on here on GB Forums. I myself have met many cops I have liked, and many who have been corrupt--but I have never thought they ALL were bad...or even good.
They are just people. Just like anyone else. If I am in the presence of a bad cop, like I was last year in Virginia, later on I think of a good cop experience I had, like 20 years ago in Missouri when I was a grad student. Good, bad, they tend to balance themselves out.
On the other hand, I'm not black, nor samesexual, or Jewish, or Muslim, or (insert category here). And I don't give them attitude. So maybe that has something to do with it. [:D]
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
I will never understand all the cop bashing which goes on here on GB Forums. I myself have met many cops I have liked, and many who have been corrupt--but I have never thought they ALL were bad...or even good.
They are just people. Just like anyone else. If I am in the presence of a bad cop, like I was last year in Virginia, later on I think of a good cop experience I had, like 20 years ago in Missouri when I was a grad student. Good, bad, they tend to balance themselves out.
On the other hand, I'm not black, nor samesexual, or Jewish, or Muslim, or (insert category here). And I don't give them attitude. So maybe that has something to do with it. [:D]
So who here ever said that all cops are bad? When a specific incident involving an officer is presented we discuss that incident. Police officers perform heroic acts routinely. Not much to discuss, it is what police officers are trained and payed to do. When officers act poorly there is more room for discussion. What went wrong, why did a negative outcome result, how could things have been handled differently to produce a positive outcome. Praise for all the good things cops do, but there is no harm in critiquing incidents that went bad. Police officers do this themselves when debriefing after an incident.
quote:Originally posted by capgun
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
I will never understand all the cop bashing which goes on here on GB Forums. I myself have met many cops I have liked, and many who have been corrupt--but I have never thought they ALL were bad...or even good.
They are just people. Just like anyone else. If I am in the presence of a bad cop, like I was last year in Virginia, later on I think of a good cop experience I had, like 20 years ago in Missouri when I was a grad student. Good, bad, they tend to balance themselves out.
On the other hand, I'm not black, nor samesexual, or Jewish, or Muslim, or (insert category here). And I don't give them attitude. So maybe that has something to do with it. [:D]
So who here ever said that all cops are bad? When a specific incident involving an officer is presented we discuss that incident. Police officers perform heroic acts routinely. Not much to discuss, it is what police officers are trained and payed to do. When officers act poorly there is more room for discussion. What went wrong, why did a negative outcome result, how could things have been handled differently to produce a positive outcome. Praise for all the good things cops do, but there is no harm in critiquing incidents that went bad. Police officers do this themselves when debriefing after an incident.
Well Nunn, if you did cause any encouragement toward ridding the world of one who hurts children I thank you for stepping up.
But, I hardly doubt after he finished himself off and woke up at the feet of Jesus who reminded him a millstone for a trip to the bottom of the sea would be far better than what he was really about to get for his just reward that he had any bad feelings for you realizing he did all this himself and he alone was responsible for being the monster that he was.
I don't think a more heinous entity exist than a child molester
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
quote:Originally posted by capgun
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by oldrider
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
And if you keep reading, you see the crap keeps a pilin' up.
To even type that the circumstances of an arrest 3 days earlier are somehow tied to the suicide of an already unstable person takes a serious suspension of logic.
But as we previously discussed, logic has little place on one of these threads. Emotions are a great thing in sixth grade girl fights over boys....and GB anti-cop threads.
Great fun to watch.
It sounds like you have never dealt with distraught, mentally unstable people. If you had that experience you would not be making these false statements. Suicides can be spontaneous, or they can be the result of a build up of cumulative events. But as has been said in the past, anyone with no knowledge of what they are talking about can post on an internet forum.
I'm still waiting to hear whether I killed the child abuser and the lesbian.
Since you are waiting, I will reply. You did not kill the alleged child abuser. But yes, you could have contributed to his death. I know many, many cases of reported child abuse and molestation that are fabricated by juveniles who have an agenda against the accused. Even causing injuries to themselves. I could write several pages of false abuse accusations, many involving very skilled lying juveniles, which appear very convincing though false. A suspect is innocent until proven guilty, and facts discovered later often mitigate original perceptions. If an innocent, falsely accused person is arrested and an officer says "Injury To A Child is a serious felony, with serious prison time, and that child abusers don't fare well in prison." that could send an innocent, depressed person, or a guilty person, over the edge during that extremely difficult time. Why make a statement like that? Why not just arrest the suspect, book him, and be on your way? Police officers have to realize that what they say and what they do have a profound effect on the people they deal with. That effect on the person may be exhibited immediately or it may be evidenced in the persons actions in the future.
I saw the child. I saw the child's buttocks, with bits of asphalt ground in. Child's mother was inside a restaurant, applying for a job. She left boyfriend with the child on the parking lot. Boyfriend decided this was a good time to potty train the child, on the parking lot. Boyfriend took down child's pants and told him to take care of business. The child didn't cooperate, so boyfriend grabbed him up, and slammed him, butt first, into the asphalt pavement. This was witnessed by a number of passersby, and as previously stated, physical evidence was left in the skin of the child's butt.
I was quite a bit younger then, and maybe said things that I might not have said had it happened yesterday.
Comments
Wow.....this thing is going down like the Titanic.
[:D]actually this has been above water longer than the titanic was after it hit the Ice burg, Guess this hasnt hit one yet[:D]
been at work so couldn't post until now
yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ? then every thing he did to her is a criminal act is it not ? and if that happens then isn't he guilty of her death ? doesn't matter that she took her own life , if she's a victim of a crime against her by the trooper, he's screwed
like I said just look at it from the other side , and don't you think that is just what her family will be doing ?
Of course they are. They are deciding right now how much money they can get out of this. They could have bailed her out of jail, but probably bought some crack instead.
Now, did I kill these two people?
You did not kill the lesbian.
You did, however, suggest that the child molester would fair poorly in a prison environment, which no doubt led him to towards the decision that he made.
You probably did him a favor, but yes, you were instrumental in his choice to kill himself, though you did not actually kill him.
Edit: The phrasing should have been 'towards' not 'to' the decision he made. I meant to suggest it was probably a factor in the decision, not the reason he made the decision.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Now, did I kill these two people?
You did not kill the lesbian.
You did, however, suggest that the child molester would fair poorly in a prison environment, which no doubt led him to the decision that he made.
You probably did him a favor, but yes, you were instrumental in his choice to kill himself, though you did not actually kill him.
If that's the case we all need to buy the Nunnster a beer and thank him for helping rid this world of another spawn from hell! [:D]
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Now, did I kill these two people?
You did not kill the lesbian.
You did, however, suggest that the child molester would fair poorly in a prison environment, which no doubt led him to the decision that he made.
You probably did him a favor, but yes, you were instrumental in his choice to kill himself, though you did not actually kill him.
He will not molest a child ever again.
I see no downside.
He was being booked. Mr. Nunn seems pretty confident that the accused was guilty, but from his post I do not see that there was a conviction.
Perhaps the suicide confirms guilt. Not sure.
Other than that, Dennis, I would agree. There is no downside to the elimination of a child abuser.
Brad Steele
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
And if you keep reading, you see the crap keeps a pilin' up.
To even type that the circumstances of an arrest 3 days earlier are somehow tied to the suicide of an already unstable person takes a serious suspension of logic.
But as we previously discussed, logic has little place on one of these threads. Emotions are a great thing in sixth grade girl fights over boys....and GB anti-cop threads.
Great fun to watch.
The jail, any jail, is always responsible for keeping prisoners alive and not raped. If you have control of a person's freedom you have responsibility for their safety. Even if they are suicidal crazy people.
He was being booked. Mr. Nunn seems pretty confident that the accused was guilty...Well I'd certainly hope so. [:D]
The officer is not responsible for the suicide. He is respobsible for escalating the stop.
The jail, any jail, is always responsible for keeping prisoners alive and not raped. If you have control of a person's freedom you have responsibility for their safety. Even if they are suicidal crazy people.
yea prolly.......[:D]
quote:Originally posted by oldrider
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
And if you keep reading, you see the crap keeps a pilin' up.
To even type that the circumstances of an arrest 3 days earlier are somehow tied to the suicide of an already unstable person takes a serious suspension of logic.
But as we previously discussed, logic has little place on one of these threads. Emotions are a great thing in sixth grade girl fights over boys....and GB anti-cop threads.
Great fun to watch.
It sounds like you have never dealt with distraught, mentally unstable people. If you had that experience you would not be making these false statements. Suicides can be spontaneous, or they can be the result of a build up of cumulative events. But as has been said in the past, anyone with no knowledge of what they are talking about can post on an internet forum.
They are just people. Just like anyone else. If I am in the presence of a bad cop, like I was last year in Virginia, later on I think of a good cop experience I had, like 20 years ago in Missouri when I was a grad student. Good, bad, they tend to balance themselves out.
On the other hand, I'm not black, nor samesexual, or Jewish, or Muslim, or (insert category here). And I don't give them attitude. So maybe that has something to do with it. [:D]
I will never understand all the cop bashing which goes on here on GB Forums. I myself have met many cops I have liked, and many who have been corrupt--but I have never thought they ALL were bad...or even good.
They are just people. Just like anyone else. If I am in the presence of a bad cop, like I was last year in Virginia, later on I think of a good cop experience I had, like 20 years ago in Missouri when I was a grad student. Good, bad, they tend to balance themselves out.
On the other hand, I'm not black, nor samesexual, or Jewish, or Muslim, or (insert category here). And I don't give them attitude. So maybe that has something to do with it. [:D]
So who here ever said that all cops are bad? When a specific incident involving an officer is presented we discuss that incident. Police officers perform heroic acts routinely. Not much to discuss, it is what police officers are trained and payed to do. When officers act poorly there is more room for discussion. What went wrong, why did a negative outcome result, how could things have been handled differently to produce a positive outcome. Praise for all the good things cops do, but there is no harm in critiquing incidents that went bad. Police officers do this themselves when debriefing after an incident.
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
I will never understand all the cop bashing which goes on here on GB Forums. I myself have met many cops I have liked, and many who have been corrupt--but I have never thought they ALL were bad...or even good.
They are just people. Just like anyone else. If I am in the presence of a bad cop, like I was last year in Virginia, later on I think of a good cop experience I had, like 20 years ago in Missouri when I was a grad student. Good, bad, they tend to balance themselves out.
On the other hand, I'm not black, nor samesexual, or Jewish, or Muslim, or (insert category here). And I don't give them attitude. So maybe that has something to do with it. [:D]
So who here ever said that all cops are bad? When a specific incident involving an officer is presented we discuss that incident. Police officers perform heroic acts routinely. Not much to discuss, it is what police officers are trained and payed to do. When officers act poorly there is more room for discussion. What went wrong, why did a negative outcome result, how could things have been handled differently to produce a positive outcome. Praise for all the good things cops do, but there is no harm in critiquing incidents that went bad. Police officers do this themselves when debriefing after an incident.
Ah, thank you Sir, for the clarification.
But, I hardly doubt after he finished himself off and woke up at the feet of Jesus who reminded him a millstone for a trip to the bottom of the sea would be far better than what he was really about to get for his just reward that he had any bad feelings for you realizing he did all this himself and he alone was responsible for being the monster that he was.
I don't think a more heinous entity exist than a child molester
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by oldrider
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Good one![:D]
And if you keep reading, you see the crap keeps a pilin' up.
To even type that the circumstances of an arrest 3 days earlier are somehow tied to the suicide of an already unstable person takes a serious suspension of logic.
But as we previously discussed, logic has little place on one of these threads. Emotions are a great thing in sixth grade girl fights over boys....and GB anti-cop threads.
Great fun to watch.
It sounds like you have never dealt with distraught, mentally unstable people. If you had that experience you would not be making these false statements. Suicides can be spontaneous, or they can be the result of a build up of cumulative events. But as has been said in the past, anyone with no knowledge of what they are talking about can post on an internet forum.
Thank you for the illustration of the process.
I'm still waiting to hear whether I killed the child abuser and the lesbian.
Since you are waiting, I will reply. You did not kill the alleged child abuser. But yes, you could have contributed to his death. I know many, many cases of reported child abuse and molestation that are fabricated by juveniles who have an agenda against the accused. Even causing injuries to themselves. I could write several pages of false abuse accusations, many involving very skilled lying juveniles, which appear very convincing though false. A suspect is innocent until proven guilty, and facts discovered later often mitigate original perceptions. If an innocent, falsely accused person is arrested and an officer says "Injury To A Child is a serious felony, with serious prison time, and that child abusers don't fare well in prison." that could send an innocent, depressed person, or a guilty person, over the edge during that extremely difficult time. Why make a statement like that? Why not just arrest the suspect, book him, and be on your way? Police officers have to realize that what they say and what they do have a profound effect on the people they deal with. That effect on the person may be exhibited immediately or it may be evidenced in the persons actions in the future.
I was quite a bit younger then, and maybe said things that I might not have said had it happened yesterday.