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I see cops signal more often than not. I signal just about all the time.
RM, you seeing cops not signal has nothing to do with this case. The officers stop was legal like it or not. Not signaling is low priority violation, but a violation none the less. These types of stops are used to verify a driver is legally licensed, has no warrants etc. Hell, I once caught a murderer on a minor stop.
Another low priority stop is for lic plate light or other lights out. After making the stop and verifying everything is OK, you let the driver go without a ticket. Then a month later another ofcr can stop them again if they are stupid enough to not fix the problem.
its not that a officer may break some traffic laws, but that he writes you tickets for the same thing or uses it to look you over on a boring shift.it the old do as i tell you and not what i do, the only thing you can do is take a walk around your car checking for any lights that are out and use your signels while driving. if you don,t stand out in the crowd its better for you. we have a section of highway we call the golden mile here where two counties meet and within that mile we have two county police and a state trooper that make thousands of dollars a day over the weekend when penn state football plays a home game.locals avoid that section of road on those days. mr myopic.
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
I can't speak for policy elsewhere but in Florida a cop with his lights on is limited to 15MPH above the limit.
LEOs I know that need to get to something bad keep them off and may well do 95 in a 55 and obviously some here feel they should not but in one case where a big guy was battering down a door threatening to kill his exGF and her kids one deputy went way over and got there not one second too late.
I am betting if that was your daughter and grand kids you would be glad he ignored what offends some here.
I don't know why a cop is in a hurry.
Heck, I don't know why a civilian is in a hurry and it is not my business.
For all I know some loved one is in the hospital or worse and a person is going faster than I want to for a reason.
If you are one to be annoyed by someone going faster than you think remember to roll down the window and call them a Gall-Darn-Whipper-Snapper
That will put them in their place real good [:D]
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by evileye fleagal
why cant you smoke while they write a ticket?
The fear is outside the car a person could use a cigarette against an officer's eyes. Flick or jab it in an eye. That's not my experience talking, I'm not a cop. It's something cops I know and trust have told me.
Problem is she was not outside the car at the time the officer ordered her to put it out. She was in the car. Could not have attacked him with it. He only ordered her out after she refused to stop smoking. It was his hurt feelings that caused him to escalate to an arrest.
Maybe he was thinking she was smoking a blunt and did not want to pop positive for a drug test from second hand smoke Einstein.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
I have been pulled over for one of these BS stops as some call them.
Cop said I crossed the white line on the right. I probably did as I go over to the right when a large truck or someone trying to pull a trailer goes by. Cop said he was checking for an impaired driver.
I obeyed his directions to provide license and registration. I said very little in a normal voice and did not have an attitude.
I was not tazed, not shot, not taken to jail, nor did I hang myself in a jail cell.
Obey law enforcement and you will not have all of these problems.
quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
If after thinking through the issue you truly believe that, I suggest you back slowly away from your keyboard before you hurt yourself.
If a man gets depressed and commits suicide after being fired from a job, is the former boss guilty in your mind?
How about a kid who fails to get into a college and decides to jump off a bridge? College admissions folks guilty as well?
I would ask you to logically explain how or why those circumstances would be different, but I have a sneaking suspicion that logic is not your strong suit.
quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
That is amazing.
If a die hard left wing black panther said that I would still be surprised at the lack of reasoning.
No offense intended just perplexed by that statement
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
i would like to know how many other drivers he pulled over for the same thing in the last three months, if it was only a few,it may say something about him looking for something else. it seems he got excited pretty quick and for a officer down the road who had nothing to do with this may pay a dear price. mr myopic.
This woman could have done everything the officer said and she would have received a warning ticket and been on her way. The officer could have tolerated her sitting confined in her vehicle smoking a cigarette, given her the ticket and been on his way. The woman was irritated sitting in her car for a period of time waiting for the officer to run her and write the ticket. It did take a while, and no one likes that wait. Plus she has mental issues. Officers are trained to deal with irritated people with mental issues. Dealing with disagreeable people and resolving the problem positively is the officers job. Officers have to be able to distinguish between what is important and what is not important in the big picture, and not escalate minor issues into major problems. This woman acted foolishly, as people often do, and the officer escalated the situation into what it became.
In the 45 plus years I have been driving I have been pulled over for what some may consider BS traffic stops.
Most were probably a result of my long hair.
Failure to use turn signal, illegal U-turn, no inspection sticker, no registration, open container, going around railroad cross arms and many others.
By simply following instructions and being polite with the LEOs the only one I got a ticket for was the open container. LEO pulled me over "because of a report of a similar vehicle involved in a robbery", yea BS that one was.
Usually if I start bein an * about being pulled over I wait untill the cop is away from me before running my mouth that way he don't hear all the insults and I don't get a ticket [:D]
quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
Were you able to type that out and keep a straight face? That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
Were you able to type that out and keep a straight face? That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Now that is saying something! It got hip deep back in those days!
A butterfly flapped it's wings in Western Africa causing a wind change which causes a warm front to hit a cold front off the coast of South America which.....take it from there.[}:)]
A bit long winded, but based on more than three decades of working up close with Texas DPS personnel this may shed some light on the real-world reason for this stop...
Under Texas law traffic ticket quotas are illegal, but as a bean-counter's management tool Texas DPS uses a system where the Sergeant over each station sets his own quota of 'violator contacts' for his personnel. Most aren't bad with this, but if that Sergeant has his eye on promoting up he'll be riding those personnel hard to impress his superiors with high activity numbers, trying to indicate he has hot-shot management skills.
Under this system troopers also must turn in some sort of documentation at the end of the shift showing these activities, be it arrest reports, tickets or written warnings.
If a trooper fails to meet their Sergeant's established threshold there can be negative consequences, such as screwy scheduling, assigned the crappiest vehicles, etc. On the flip side, high numbers on the trooper's part can reflect at promotion time or when they apply for a specialized position.
Now factor in that the trooper in this video had only been on the road with them a matter of months and is likely still on probation.
What all this results in is that he's out there stopping every violation he sees, no matter how minor, with the express purpose of staying in the good graces of his Sergeant. If you watch the entire video you'll see he only made it about 35 seconds from his last stop - where he also issued a written warning - before spotting this woman's violation and stopping her.
His mission was to stop that car, check for warrants and DL status, sling a written warning at her for hash-mark documentation, then roll away and do it all over again ASAP.
However the wheels came off the wagon on this one when his lack of experience allowed the violator's attitude to redirect him out into left field.
quote:Originally posted by capgun
Officers have to be able to distinguish between what is important and what is not important in the big picture, and not escalate minor issues into major problems.
So true, and a common error found in many of these situations that hit the NEWS. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Often times the difference between experience and youth, and some times just a lack of common sense or too much ego.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
Were you able to type that out and keep a straight face? That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
At 15 I was kidnapped by three police detectives and held on the filthy floor of an unmarked car as they beat on me, threatened me, tried to get me to own up to a crime they never described. Took me around and they'd yank me head up off the floor by my hair, stick a bright light in face and ask somebody looking inside if I was the one. Only they didn't say it that way. When they finally figured out they'd actually just picked up some teenaged middle class "A-Student" white boy walking to visit his girlfriend and watch TV with the family, they tossed me out of the moving car onto somebody's lawn. Took a while but I figured out where I was and walked home, arriving well after midnight.
So that was the intro to the "Do you trust cops?" question.
I've known many since and the answer today is I trust those I know personally and am cautious around those I do not. I am always respectful and do as asked in traffic stops, though it's been years since the last one.
In this case I'd say the cop blew it. He made the situation worse. He did not need to know more, he did not need to dig in with emotional questions. He did not need to order her out of the car. He was at the point of handing her a warning and clearing the stop. His demands that she talk about her obvious dislike of him and for her to put out the cigarette were both unnecessary and out of line. With those being the causes of him ordering her out of the car, that too is out of line.
There are far more cops out there just doing their jobs and trying to deal with the daily troubles that come along. Then there are those who are looking for opportunities to be confrontational. Sometimes you run into a cop that is either type on different days, I've know a couple of those.
The next big question is how did she manage to hang herself with a plastic bag? Where'd she get that bag? How much of the "suicide" is on video? If it is on video, how is it that no one saw to stop it?
Lots of questions yet to be answered on this thing.
Chris, I could not agree more. That is exactly how I feel. I have some that a real close personal friends and others I have met that I wouldn't give the time of day too. I also can say the same about some non leos that I meet. Your comment here is spot on in my opinion and a lot needs to be answered. Oakie
quote:if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
Wow. Do you proofread? Read your material out loud before hitting the "post" button? Just to see if it sounds stupid? Wow.
By that logic, I killed a child abuser and a lesbian.
I put the child abuser in jail. During booking, I told him that Injury To A Child is a serious felony, with serious prison time, and that child abusers don't fare well in prison. He hanged himself within hours of his arrest.
I made a "courtesy call" to the lesbian. Her ex-girlfriend's mother made a complaint about harassing phone calls at all hours of the night. She didn't want the lesbian prosecuted; she just wanted her to stop. Lezzie was trying to contact the ex, but since ex moved back home with Mom, Lezzie was disturbing everyone else in the home. I agreed to make the call and see if I couldn't persuade Lezzie to stop calling. I made the call and explained that there is no police report and that there would be no prosecution for harassment, as long as the phone calls stop. She said she understood, but within minutes of hanging up with me, she went into the garage and hanged herself from a ceiling joist.
Don't even know what the charge was, but all these people who are so concerned now that she is dead could have helped her post a $5000 bond it seems to me. Wait and see how much they want from the state because of her suicide.
yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ? then every thing he did to her is a criminal act is it not ? and if that happens then isn't he guilty of her death ? doesn't matter that she took her own life , if she's a victim of a crime against her by the trooper, he's screwed
like I said just look at it from the other side , and don't you think that is just what her family will be doing ?
The cop went overboard with his authority for the violation infraction of failing to give a signal. It's a very minor offense.
Old white cops better just give a warning even if he smells pot in the car for it's not worth the time and hassle to give ammunition to black activist out there looking for a reason to weed out those southern white cops. The DPS officer has lost his career as a traffic cop at the least probably more,he will never get a promotion anymore bet on it.
EL NINO [:0][:0][:0][:0][:0][:0]SO THATS THE WAY THEY START IT'S AFRICAS FAULT FOR CREATING CHAOS HERE IN THE USAquote:Originally posted by fideau
A butterfly flapped it's wings in Western Africa causing a wind change which causes a warm front to hit a cold front off the coast of South America which.....take it from there.[}:)]
I WONDER WHY HER FAMILY LET HER SIT IN JAIL FOR 3 DAYS, WILL THE PHONE RECORDS TELL THE TALE THAT SHE MADE PHONE CALLS FOR BOND MONEY TO HER FAMILY TO GET OUT AND NO HELP WAS SENT FROM HER FAMILY ?
SO SHE WAS DISTRAUGHT AND SAW NO OTHER WAY OUT BUT IN A STRETCHER
SO HER FAMILY KILLED HER FOR NOT SENDING HELP THAT IS REDHACKK480 LOGIC[;)]
quote:yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ?
Any traffic offense, other than speeding, is cause for arrest. Offering the violator a citation is a matter of courtesy and convenience for both parties.
I'm still waiting to hear whether I killed the child abuser and the lesbian.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ?
Any traffic offense, other than speeding, is cause for arrest. Offering the violator a citation is a matter of courtesy and convenience for both parties.
I'm still waiting to hear whether I killed the child abuser and the lesbian.
Gee wizz Mr Nunn, you retired or you could still be playing this game everyday. [:)]
Just smile and say nothing, let them guess how much you know.
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RM, you seeing cops not signal has nothing to do with this case. The officers stop was legal like it or not. Not signaling is low priority violation, but a violation none the less. These types of stops are used to verify a driver is legally licensed, has no warrants etc. Hell, I once caught a murderer on a minor stop.
Another low priority stop is for lic plate light or other lights out. After making the stop and verifying everything is OK, you let the driver go without a ticket. Then a month later another ofcr can stop them again if they are stupid enough to not fix the problem.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
LEOs I know that need to get to something bad keep them off and may well do 95 in a 55 and obviously some here feel they should not but in one case where a big guy was battering down a door threatening to kill his exGF and her kids one deputy went way over and got there not one second too late.
I am betting if that was your daughter and grand kids you would be glad he ignored what offends some here.
I don't know why a cop is in a hurry.
Heck, I don't know why a civilian is in a hurry and it is not my business.
For all I know some loved one is in the hospital or worse and a person is going faster than I want to for a reason.
If you are one to be annoyed by someone going faster than you think remember to roll down the window and call them a Gall-Darn-Whipper-Snapper
That will put them in their place real good [:D]
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
you think facts matter ? lol
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by evileye fleagal
why cant you smoke while they write a ticket?
The fear is outside the car a person could use a cigarette against an officer's eyes. Flick or jab it in an eye. That's not my experience talking, I'm not a cop. It's something cops I know and trust have told me.
Problem is she was not outside the car at the time the officer ordered her to put it out. She was in the car. Could not have attacked him with it. He only ordered her out after she refused to stop smoking. It was his hurt feelings that caused him to escalate to an arrest.
Maybe he was thinking she was smoking a blunt and did not want to pop positive for a drug test from second hand smoke Einstein.
Is that all you have?
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
She refused to do as told... the rest is history...
Cop said I crossed the white line on the right. I probably did as I go over to the right when a large truck or someone trying to pull a trailer goes by. Cop said he was checking for an impaired driver.
I obeyed his directions to provide license and registration. I said very little in a normal voice and did not have an attitude.
I was not tazed, not shot, not taken to jail, nor did I hang myself in a jail cell.
Obey law enforcement and you will not have all of these problems.
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
If after thinking through the issue you truly believe that, I suggest you back slowly away from your keyboard before you hurt yourself.
If a man gets depressed and commits suicide after being fired from a job, is the former boss guilty in your mind?
How about a kid who fails to get into a college and decides to jump off a bridge? College admissions folks guilty as well?
I would ask you to logically explain how or why those circumstances would be different, but I have a sneaking suspicion that logic is not your strong suit.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
That is amazing.
If a die hard left wing black panther said that I would still be surprised at the lack of reasoning.
No offense intended just perplexed by that statement
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
In the 45 plus years I have been driving I have been pulled over for what some may consider BS traffic stops.
Most were probably a result of my long hair.
Failure to use turn signal, illegal U-turn, no inspection sticker, no registration, open container, going around railroad cross arms and many others.
By simply following instructions and being polite with the LEOs the only one I got a ticket for was the open container. LEO pulled me over "because of a report of a similar vehicle involved in a robbery", yea BS that one was.
I wonder if:
Suicide for the "Cause"?
Or to become a martyr?
maybe you should try thinking a little harder I know that's not your strong suit but give it a try [;)]
If you weren't going to attempt to defend your position, wouldn't it have been quicker to just type 'Oh Huh!' and leave it at that?
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
Were you able to type that out and keep a straight face? That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
quote:Originally posted by redhawkk480
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by serf
Yeah but when the officer said I will lite you up with my Taser for not getting out the car is kind'a weird of course he will testify he was in fear of his life at the time.
You can beat the rap but you can't beat the ride after all of this carrying on however she lost her life and it's just more gas on the fire for the black activists!
serf
Let's make a distinction here Serf, she did not lose her life due to the actions of others, she lost her life due to her own actions.
She chose to be confrontational during the traffic stop, she chose to put herself in a position to be arrested, and she chose to off herself with a garbage bag. No one made those poor decisions for her.
Was the traffic stop for not signaling bogus? Maybe, maybe not. If the law requires it, then she should have done it. Had she gone contentedly on her way with a warning, none of this would have transpired.
even thou what you say is true, she would never have been in that place if it hadn't been for what the trooper did to her , he's as guilty of her death as if he had walked up to her and put a bullet thru her brain
Were you able to type that out and keep a straight face? That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Now that is saying something! It got hip deep back in those days!
Under Texas law traffic ticket quotas are illegal, but as a bean-counter's management tool Texas DPS uses a system where the Sergeant over each station sets his own quota of 'violator contacts' for his personnel. Most aren't bad with this, but if that Sergeant has his eye on promoting up he'll be riding those personnel hard to impress his superiors with high activity numbers, trying to indicate he has hot-shot management skills.
Under this system troopers also must turn in some sort of documentation at the end of the shift showing these activities, be it arrest reports, tickets or written warnings.
If a trooper fails to meet their Sergeant's established threshold there can be negative consequences, such as screwy scheduling, assigned the crappiest vehicles, etc. On the flip side, high numbers on the trooper's part can reflect at promotion time or when they apply for a specialized position.
Now factor in that the trooper in this video had only been on the road with them a matter of months and is likely still on probation.
What all this results in is that he's out there stopping every violation he sees, no matter how minor, with the express purpose of staying in the good graces of his Sergeant. If you watch the entire video you'll see he only made it about 35 seconds from his last stop - where he also issued a written warning - before spotting this woman's violation and stopping her.
His mission was to stop that car, check for warrants and DL status, sling a written warning at her for hash-mark documentation, then roll away and do it all over again ASAP.
However the wheels came off the wagon on this one when his lack of experience allowed the violator's attitude to redirect him out into left field.
Wow.....this thing is going down like the Titanic.
And you thought your search for logic was a bad thing. [;)][:D]
Officers have to be able to distinguish between what is important and what is not important in the big picture, and not escalate minor issues into major problems.
So true, and a common error found in many of these situations that hit the NEWS. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Often times the difference between experience and youth, and some times just a lack of common sense or too much ego.
Were you able to type that out and keep a straight face? That is the biggest load of bullcrap I've seen on here since the ECC days!
Sigh, must you feed the trolls?[:D]
At 15 I was kidnapped by three police detectives and held on the filthy floor of an unmarked car as they beat on me, threatened me, tried to get me to own up to a crime they never described. Took me around and they'd yank me head up off the floor by my hair, stick a bright light in face and ask somebody looking inside if I was the one. Only they didn't say it that way. When they finally figured out they'd actually just picked up some teenaged middle class "A-Student" white boy walking to visit his girlfriend and watch TV with the family, they tossed me out of the moving car onto somebody's lawn. Took a while but I figured out where I was and walked home, arriving well after midnight.
So that was the intro to the "Do you trust cops?" question.
I've known many since and the answer today is I trust those I know personally and am cautious around those I do not. I am always respectful and do as asked in traffic stops, though it's been years since the last one.
In this case I'd say the cop blew it. He made the situation worse. He did not need to know more, he did not need to dig in with emotional questions. He did not need to order her out of the car. He was at the point of handing her a warning and clearing the stop. His demands that she talk about her obvious dislike of him and for her to put out the cigarette were both unnecessary and out of line. With those being the causes of him ordering her out of the car, that too is out of line.
There are far more cops out there just doing their jobs and trying to deal with the daily troubles that come along. Then there are those who are looking for opportunities to be confrontational. Sometimes you run into a cop that is either type on different days, I've know a couple of those.
The next big question is how did she manage to hang herself with a plastic bag? Where'd she get that bag? How much of the "suicide" is on video? If it is on video, how is it that no one saw to stop it?
Lots of questions yet to be answered on this thing.
Chris, I could not agree more. That is exactly how I feel. I have some that a real close personal friends and others I have met that I wouldn't give the time of day too. I also can say the same about some non leos that I meet. Your comment here is spot on in my opinion and a lot needs to be answered. Oakie
Wow. Do you proofread? Read your material out loud before hitting the "post" button? Just to see if it sounds stupid? Wow.
By that logic, I killed a child abuser and a lesbian.
I put the child abuser in jail. During booking, I told him that Injury To A Child is a serious felony, with serious prison time, and that child abusers don't fare well in prison. He hanged himself within hours of his arrest.
I made a "courtesy call" to the lesbian. Her ex-girlfriend's mother made a complaint about harassing phone calls at all hours of the night. She didn't want the lesbian prosecuted; she just wanted her to stop. Lezzie was trying to contact the ex, but since ex moved back home with Mom, Lezzie was disturbing everyone else in the home. I agreed to make the call and see if I couldn't persuade Lezzie to stop calling. I made the call and explained that there is no police report and that there would be no prosecution for harassment, as long as the phone calls stop. She said she understood, but within minutes of hanging up with me, she went into the garage and hanged herself from a ceiling joist.
Now, did I kill these two people?
Now, did I kill these two people?
I believe we should wait until we get all of the facts. Don
yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ? then every thing he did to her is a criminal act is it not ? and if that happens then isn't he guilty of her death ? doesn't matter that she took her own life , if she's a victim of a crime against her by the trooper, he's screwed
like I said just look at it from the other side , and don't you think that is just what her family will be doing ?
Old white cops better just give a warning even if he smells pot in the car for it's not worth the time and hassle to give ammunition to black activist out there looking for a reason to weed out those southern white cops. The DPS officer has lost his career as a traffic cop at the least probably more,he will never get a promotion anymore bet on it.
serf
A butterfly flapped it's wings in Western Africa causing a wind change which causes a warm front to hit a cold front off the coast of South America which.....take it from there.[}:)]
SO SHE WAS DISTRAUGHT AND SAW NO OTHER WAY OUT BUT IN A STRETCHER
SO HER FAMILY KILLED HER FOR NOT SENDING HELP THAT IS REDHACKK480 LOGIC[;)]
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ?
Any traffic offense, other than speeding, is cause for arrest. Offering the violator a citation is a matter of courtesy and convenience for both parties.
I'm still waiting to hear whether I killed the child abuser and the lesbian.
quote:yes the stop was legal and yes a ticket would have been legal but
what happens if the investigation comes back and shows the trooper didn't have cause for the arrest ?
Any traffic offense, other than speeding, is cause for arrest. Offering the violator a citation is a matter of courtesy and convenience for both parties.
I'm still waiting to hear whether I killed the child abuser and the lesbian.
Gee wizz Mr Nunn, you retired or you could still be playing this game everyday. [:)]