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Speeding Ticket :(

robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
edited November 2004 in General Discussion
Well, my two and a half years of good luck finally ran out this morning.

I was driving home from a doctors appointment and was napped by a State Trooper on the highway. He was very courteous and I made a point of being respectful in return.

I'm not looking for a way out and plan on paying the state for my violation.

The officer was kind enough to lower the speeding violation down to set me in a lower bracket in terms of fine $$$ and points on the license. I figured that is more than I could have asked for and am not going to push my luck with trying to get out of it.

Does anyone have any idea what's going to happen to my insurance now? This is my first ticket.


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    HAIRYHAIRY Member Posts: 23,606
    edited November -1
    Probably nothing; just don't get another one. [:D]

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    fishermanbenfishermanben Member Posts: 15,370
    edited November -1
    Hairy is right. Can you get it wiped off of your record through court supervision, or traffic safety school? If you can, you definitely should!!! Right now your insurance is unaffected, but if you were ticketed for an at-fault accident any time in the next five years you will be placed in 'high-risk' and your insurance rates will at least double.

    Believe me here Robo: If you can get it erased from your record, you must!!!

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    KEVD18KEVD18 Member Posts: 15,037
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    in ma, your insurance would go up 3-5 points. roughly $100/point/yr for 6 years.



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    WranglerWrangler Member Posts: 5,788
    edited November -1
    In TX, you can contact the court and request to take defensive driving. You can take defensive driving only once in a twelve month period. Upon completion of defensive driving, the charge is off your record (not affecting your insurance) and you pay a reduced fine.
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    Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Wrangler
    In TX, you can contact the court and request to take defensive driving. You can take defensive driving only once in a twelve month period. Upon completion of defensive driving, the charge is off your record (not affecting your insurance) and you pay a reduced fine.


    YEP. Ask the judge for DD School or whatever simular programs they might have. An insurance agent might be able to answer that question for you.

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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
    edited November -1
    When the radar detector beeps, they already have you.

    robo: I have a good bit of experience with speeding tickets. I have never gone 12 months without getting at least pulled over. In fact, I probably haven't gone 3 months without getting pulled over. It's the only enforceable law I violate, and unfortunately it's the easiest violation of the law to get caught for.

    You did well to be respectful. I've gotten out of more tickets by being smooth, calm, and polite to the officer than anyone has by any method that doesn't involve blonde hair and flirting.

    What will happen with your insurance and what you can do to mitigate your expenses will depend greatly on a few factors:
    1. Which state cited you for speeding
    2. Which state your license is from
    3. How fast you were going, what the limit was, and what the ticket was written for

    Assuming that it was in the same state as your license is from, and that your state awards points for traffic violations, and that your insurance can get a record of the points on your license, then there are other factors. For example, in North Dakota there is no automatic reporting to your insurance unless you get 3 points. And you lose one point per three months, so if you get less than 3 points then you have to hope that you run out of points before your insurance company next randomly checks your record.

    Also in North Dakota, defensive driving school can wipe out 3 points. But it wipes them out after they go on your record. In some states, you can wipe them out before they go on your record.

    Some states have no points at all, and just record the number of tickets. Presumably, traffic school would wipe out one or more tickets from your record. But whether it does so before or after they go on the record, and whether your record is automatically reported to insurance when you get a ticket or not, matter greatly.

    The third factor above mainly matters if you want out of the ticket. If you have a reasonable explanation and your offense was not egregious, you could contact the prosecuting attorney (State's Attorney or Commonwealth Attorney depending on your state) the county where you were cited and beg forgiveness. If he doesn't prosecute the ticket, you won't be found guilty and it won't go agianst your license.
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    NighthawkNighthawk Member Posts: 12,022 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The first ticket as long as its not DUI or wreckless driveing the Court does not have to report it to your Insurance co.You as a customer may be required to tell them but wait until after your found guilty or if you go ahead and pay up with out going to Court.Check your policy.Stay Safe!


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    robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
    edited November -1
    Zerodin:

    1. Maine cited me for the violation.
    2. I have a Maine drivers license.
    3. I was in actuality doing 81 in a 65, but he wrote it as a 79 in a 65.


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    ZERODINZERODIN Member Posts: 6,338
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    Robo ... home county or not? Is it a populous county where you got the ticket? If it's not a populous county, find the State's Attorney's office. He probably does other law practice, as well. If you know him, even better. Go in and politely beg. [:D]
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    headzilla97headzilla97 Member Posts: 6,445
    edited November -1
    were you in maine or ny if it was ny you were out of your state and only have to pay the ticket without any penalty i think

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    robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
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    Zerodin, not my home county and it was in the most populous county in Maine [V].


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    agman1999agman1999 Member Posts: 981 ✭✭✭✭
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    Out in the wide expanses of far-western Kansas, I recieved several citations for my skill at low-level flight. A call to the local prosecuting attorney (or state's attorney, as some folks back east call them) would get the charge reduced or eliminated for an adjustment to the fine.

    Even though it was in a populated area, go ahead and make the call. You won't make things any worse for trying, and you aren't really getting out of anything. You're letting the state dig it's paws into your pocket a little deeper today, so your insurance company doesn't do it for the next five years.
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    pipskickspipskicks Member Posts: 3,049
    edited November -1
    Have a radar detector...isn't worth anything in the city, on the long empty roads, it is decent. I don't even use it anymore, the feature I like the most actually is just the fact that it shows the angle/direction you are driving in.
    Don't worry about it robo, get driving school, some places let you take it online and those are REALLY easy to do.

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    robkelly2242robkelly2242 Member Posts: 295 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Robo, even when they've got me dead to rights, I plead not guilty and post the ticket price as a bond. Here in L.A. the cops are seriously understaffed and there's a lot of reasons for the cop not to show up. If he doesn't, you can get the case dismissed for failure to prosecute. If he does show up, I go to the clerk and change my plea to guilty, before the case is called. They keep the bond money and I'm no worse off. One time they kept the money but must have screwed up the paperwork because the ticket never made it to my record. You must be in Portland. You should go check out the court a week before, see how much of a cattle call it is, and find out whether all the cops show up.
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    1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Some states give court supervision ,some do not ,you can call one of those traffic law clinics ,they usually charge about one hundred bucks on top of the fine to have your speeding ticket reduced to a non moving violation ,if it is worth that to you
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    eastwood44mageastwood44mag Member Posts: 2,655 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by roboman
    Zerodin:

    1. Maine cited me for the violation.
    2. I have a Maine drivers license.
    3. I was in actuality doing 81 in a 65, but he wrote it as a 79 in a 65.


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    You got a ticket for THAT???

    I was doing 85 with a trooper behind me, and when I moved over cause I thought he was gonna nab me, he took off at no less than 90. All in a 65 zone.

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    kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,857 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    In Kansas . or at least around here, you can get what the court lovingly refers to as a "diversion" . you pay a double fine and as long as you don't get another within 12 months it only counts as a non-moving violation (like a parking ticket) . however if you get a second one they both go on your record as speeding tickets and you get a double whammy from your insurance [B)]

    ... or at least thats what I've been told, I haven't had a ticket in nearly 20 years (knocking on wood)[:o)]
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    john wjohn w Member Posts: 4,104
    edited November -1
    State troopers are usually the hardest to talk out of a ticket. That stick up their AS* usually get uncomfortable after an 8 hr shift. The botox in the face usually gets them cranky too!.

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    robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
    edited November -1
    John, this trooper was quite polite and professional. I had no intention of getting out of the ticket. He said when he was at the car that he had me locked on radar at 81MPH and that I was welcome to take a look. I said "No thank you Officer, that sounds about right." and expected the ticket.


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    plains scoutplains scout Member Posts: 4,563
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    quote:1. Maine cited me for the violation.
    2. I have a Maine drivers license.
    3. I was in actuality doing 81 in a 65, but he wrote it as a 79 in a 65.


    I think he cut you a break and it is your first ticket. Live with it.

    BTW - Zerodin is going for a record of at least one speeding ticket in every state in the union and a few Canadian Provinces.[:D][:D][:D]

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    AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,061 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1968 was my last ticket.

    Your mileage may vary.

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    dclocodcloco Member Posts: 2,967
    edited November -1
    The trooper cut you a HUGE break. In most states, 15 mph over ANY speed limit just took you from careless to wreckless driving. Probably reduced the ticket from 3+ points to 1 or 2 points.

    As somebody else said, TRY your hardest to get the ticket removed. Even if it costs you $3-400....no kidding.

    Or...as somebody else suggested, try for a DD school....or beg the prosecutor...or roll the dice in traffic court.
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    paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Tell the Judge that you are a Moderator at Gunbroker Im sure he will be impressed and let you off!!![:D][:p]

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    drobsdrobs Member Posts: 22,545 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Roboman,

    You work at a gunshop! In the future be sure to drop that into the conversation.



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    bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    Ask the judge of you can say a word or two. Then tell what a polite and professional man the Trooper was and how it makes you proud to be from Maine to have such people watching the roadways etc. etc."If he said I was speeding then I have to believe it." Plead no contest and throw yourself on the mercy of the court. Bet you get off light.

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    nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,018 ******
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    To ANYONE who is dealing with their first ticket, or their first ticket in a few years, I say this:

    If you are guilty, TAKE DEFENSIVE DRIVING. It is not exactly "getting out of it." It is a device, allowed by law, so you might as well take advantage. It will cost you about the same money as paying the ticket, but the violation will not show up on your driving record, and you save 10% on your insurance to boot.

    My son, Travis, got a speeding ticket. He took Defensive Driving, with my blessing. His money, my blessing. It was enough of a hoop to jump through to get his attention, but he doesn't have a violation on his record now.

    So, DO IT!

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    IconoclastIconoclast Member Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭
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    Robo, isn't Maine one of the states where a radar detector is illegal? I thought it was, so always disconnect mine when I cross the border. Do as others have suggested and then obey the law . . . or at least go no faster than the bulk of the traffic - there will always be some leadfoot from Massholia along soon enough to trip the radar trap.

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    Big DaveBig Dave Member Posts: 730 ✭✭✭✭
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    81 in a 65 is plain stoopid. [V]

    As a long haul trucker, I see this every day. Cars zipping in and out of traffic causing others to hit their brakes or make sudden evasive manuevers.

    Someone mentioned that 15 over is 'reckless' or 'careless' driving. They're correct! If you get nailed with that charge, you might as well be drunk. The insurance jumps just as much.

    Cars (and trucks) have cruise control for a reason, use it!

    I've got almsot 1 million miles under my belt with NO Moving Violations!

    Here's my way of avoiding tickets.
    1. Set the Cruise Control.
    2. Tune in the XM and relax.
    3. See ya when I get there.

    BTW, most jurisdictions will let ya slide up to 9 mph over. [;)]
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    mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    What a nice cop.

    I would request a jury trial.

    IF it ever gets set for jury trial then plead guilty and either pay your fine or take any probationary measures your state or jurisdiction might offer.

    I have done this with many tickets and have never had a single one tried. They all just mysteriously fade away. The state wants your money. You are a profit center. It is not profitable to put on a jury trial on a traffic ticket.





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    FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,278 ✭✭✭
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    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo


    What a nice cop.

    I would request a jury trial.

    IF it ever gets set for jury trial then plead guilty and either pay your fine or take any probationary measures your state or jurisdiction might offer.

    I have done this with many tickets and have never had a single one tried. They all just mysteriously fade away. The state wants your money. You are a profit center. It is not profitable to put on a jury trial on a traffic ticket.





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    gruntledgruntled Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭
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    In Kalifornia you can fight the ticket by mail & if the officer fails to respond you win. If you lose you can then appeal & go to court. Again if the officer fails to show up you win. If you lose you can still request to go to traffic school & have the ticket erased. The judge doesn't have to let you but he may. In each case you can also ask to have the fine reduced. Doesn't hurt to try.
    Being calm & courteous is a very good thing. It makes it more likely the officer will not make a special point of showing up.
    I've gone to court twice & so far the score is 2 to 0 for me.
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    robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo


    What a nice cop.

    I would request a jury trial.

    IF it ever gets set for jury trial then plead guilty and either pay your fine or take any probationary measures your state or jurisdiction might offer.

    I have done this with many tickets and have never had a single one tried. They all just mysteriously fade away. The state wants your money. You are a profit center. It is not profitable to put on a jury trial on a traffic ticket.


    Will do. Thanks Daddy! [^] Are you and Mom going to make the trip up to represent me?


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    phxtravisphxtravis Member Posts: 738 ✭✭✭✭
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    ahhhh...one of the craziest laws(in my opinion). Speeding should be a "pass-fail" type of law, either you are driving recklessly or not. If I am going 80 in a 65 but I am the only one on the road and it is mid-day then I think that should be ok, same with driving the "speed of traffic".
    Also Radar detectors help, but they are useless against laser and in the city as already stated.
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    TWalkerTWalker Member Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Call the clerk of the court in the jurisdiction where you got the ticket. Ask them nicely if there is any way to have the charge reduced or dropped. Some courts will if you attend a traffic school. If not, the advice about pleading not guilty and going to court to see if the officer shows is valid. If he does, then be sure to change your plea. Often attorneys representing clients with serious offenses or having serious consequences will ask for a continuance if the officer shows, hoping of course that he won't show the second time around. Usually a first speeding doesn't carry insurance points provided it was for less than 10 mph over the limit. In your case you will likely be surcharged by your insurance company for up to 3 years. It never hurts to call a traffic attorney after you have discussed your ticket with the court clerk if you didn't find satisfaction there. Often the attorneys know the judges very well and can tell you up front what they can do for you. Good luck and drive carefully.
    I am a Certified Defensive Driving Instructor, Commercial Driving Instructor, and Driver Instructor Trainer. This is just my 2 cents. Laws vary by state and locally as well. Your best advice should come from your attorney or local court system.
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    kooterbillkooterbill Member Posts: 96 ✭✭
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    I noticed someone else from Texas answered your question---but he obviously is not aware of the new state law that states if you receive a speeding ticket for going 11 mph or more, you will be required to pay the fine for "three" years---on the anniversary of the day you received the ticket.
    Sorry but some laws just suck
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    mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by roboman
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo


    What a nice cop.

    I would request a jury trial.

    IF it ever gets set for jury trial then plead guilty and either pay your fine or take any probationary measures your state or jurisdiction might offer.

    I have done this with many tickets and have never had a single one tried. They all just mysteriously fade away. The state wants your money. You are a profit center. It is not profitable to put on a jury trial on a traffic ticket.


    Will do. Thanks Daddy! [^] Are you and Mom going to make the trip up to represent me?


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    robomanroboman Member Posts: 6,436
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
    quote:Originally posted by roboman
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo


    What a nice cop.

    I would request a jury trial.

    IF it ever gets set for jury trial then plead guilty and either pay your fine or take any probationary measures your state or jurisdiction might offer.

    I have done this with many tickets and have never had a single one tried. They all just mysteriously fade away. The state wants your money. You are a profit center. It is not profitable to put on a jury trial on a traffic ticket.


    Will do. Thanks Daddy! [^] Are you and Mom going to make the trip up to represent me?


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    pipskickspipskicks Member Posts: 3,049
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    quote:Originally posted by gruntled
    In Kalifornia you can fight the ticket by mail & if the officer fails to respond you win. If you lose you can then appeal & go to court. Again if the officer fails to show up you win. If you lose you can still request to go to traffic school & have the ticket erased. The judge doesn't have to let you but he may. In each case you can also ask to have the fine reduced. Doesn't hurt to try.
    Being calm & courteous is a very good thing. It makes it more likely the officer will not make a special point of showing up.
    I've gone to court twice & so far the score is 2 to 0 for me.




    I don't think you can fight most speeding tickets by mail, I couldn't fight mine by mail, it's only smaller tickets I think, not sure though, they once told me I could do that, then changed their mind and made me go in, it was a big hassle.

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    mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by roboman

    I'm in denial Daddy, without you here to hold me I can't get over it. [V][:(]


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