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Just what are you going to do when they come?
blackclouder
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The old geezers need not reply because you will probably not be affected.
But I wonder what will life be like without a gun, rifle, shotgun or even a bb gun. For they are going to be banned in the near future."you do relise that?"
Scenerio: knock, knock. We are here to confiscate your guns. Are you positive that these are the only weapons you have to declare? Mind you that if you withhold contraban that the penalty is harsh and all are guilty in the premises.
What would you do in all reality?
Give up your guns? Or die trying to keep them?
black
After they are banned
Find cover because theres a black cloud over head.
Some may not like you, get over it or get use to it.
But I wonder what will life be like without a gun, rifle, shotgun or even a bb gun. For they are going to be banned in the near future."you do relise that?"
Scenerio: knock, knock. We are here to confiscate your guns. Are you positive that these are the only weapons you have to declare? Mind you that if you withhold contraban that the penalty is harsh and all are guilty in the premises.
What would you do in all reality?
Give up your guns? Or die trying to keep them?
black
After they are banned
Find cover because theres a black cloud over head.
Some may not like you, get over it or get use to it.
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"The people get the government they deserve" Andrew Jackson
A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
couple of decades ago. Banning guns because they look dangerous, sueing gun manufacturers because a criminal misuses a gun, etc. When they come to collect your guns, it will probably be troops in UN blue
helmets.
The assult rifles, defender shotgun and any handgun bigger than 9mm are burried somewhere in the U.S. find them if you can.
But really it's not worth a firefight on my front doorstep, Crap my wife would yell at me for killing all them poor confiscaters.
A hot barrel, is a warm fuzzy feeling.
The "anti-gun" mindset can be very strong with some of them.
Of even more concern is the "brain washing" taking place on the grade school level. The "zero tolerance" is practiced in a way to try to make children completely afraid of anything "gun related".
The children of today are the voters of tomorrow. It is going to happen.
I'll probably be an old "geezer" by the time the "knock on the door" comes--so a few of the miserable bastards will be coming to hell with me! (That's only my policy when I'm an old geezer--I haven't decided what I'd do if it happened at an earlier time.)
Mudge the pessimist
I can't come to work today. The voices said, STAY HOME AND CLEAN THE GUNS!
Helping keep America free: One gun at a time.
It is very important to vote and to write your politians of your oppinions.
thunderbolt & competentone. look back over the past couple decades and review what changes have taken place.
ex: importation of certain weapons, bans of hi cap mags etc.
Society is quitely grooming the youth of today, for they know they will be the leaders of tomorrow.
Most would tend to believe that it wont happen. But they will pick away at your rights.
Military and assault weapons are headed for a certain doom as far as citisen owned. You wont b able to have a valid reason for ownership that will satisfy the leaders of tomorrow.
Now whats left? handguns, rifles and shotguns.
Handguns will probably be next to go.
Classic095 & YankeeClipper, Is your gun worth dying for?
Sounds good to protest and refuse but if they just take some now.Your military assault weapons. You would still have the rest till they come for them.
mudge. I have to agree that when the order is given the people in position will do exactly what they are instructed to do.
black
Find cover because theres a black cloud over head.
Some may not like you, get over it or get use to it.
-- Life NRA Member
If dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Probably Nato troops ...
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Sometimes the most obvious, is the most elusive!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
No I do not think they will come to take my guns.
Margaret Thatcher
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
Mark Twain
IF you believe it cannot happen in your lifetime ask the survivors of Nazi germany if they thought it could happen in their lifetime. And this does not just mean the Jewish survivors. It means ANY survivor of Nazi Germany.
The second admendment GUARANTEES the other nine and the Constitution!
Edited by - S&W Man on 05/07/2002 18:41:02
RCJ 2002 "If we don't fight as one, we will die as one".
I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
"It was like that when I got here".
Remember the social contract.
I hope that it does not come down to a fight, but those who mentioned the anti-gun young folks were correct. As you older gents die off things could get very difficult.
I love freedom, cause a chained dog ain't happy. A southern born child living behind enemy lines in occupied territory
"It will be better to die on your feet that to live on your knees" I don't know who made that statement but I like him already.
That was Emilano Zapata, founder of the Zapatista revolutionaries in Mexico.
I dont blame Che Guevara, for instance, for the oppressive Communist government that resulted from the Cuban revolution. The people starved while Fulgencio Batista poured millions of tourist dollars from the luxurious seaside casinos in Havana into his own pockets.
If that was happening here, I'd probably want to revolt too.
The situation was much the same in Mexico when the Zapatistas were founded. They still retain a presence in Chiapas, and though they're much smaller now, they recently marched from Chiapas to Mexico City to send a message to Viciente Fox.
Someone once said, revolution is pure. The politics follows after.
I dont know if I agree with that, but it's something to mull over.
something awhile back about the United States falling under
international law if there is no protest against bills being
passed by the UN or something like that. Can't quite remember how
the article read but it was not good. Hope it never happens here
in the States. My personal opinion is the only reason we're not
a juicy target for one of the "rogue" nations right now is there
are to many weapons in the hands of private citizens which makes
for a huge citizen army.
Happiness is a warm gun
You're right about the UN. Thanks to Congressman Robert Barr, and a couple of other pro-gun and pro 2nd Ammendmemt guys went to that UN meeting and put a stop to it. We have no business being in that orginization anyway. All they want to to is control our country.
Thank President Bush for getting us out of that international court deal, that our * hol buddy clinton wanted.
Gino
"If All Else Fails, Read The Direction"
Amen.
"I think talk of revolution is senseless. No militia with light weaponry is any match for what is the complete bad assness of the U.S. military."
That shows your complete ignorance of the militia movement, Cowboy. We can, and will if forced, take on all comers when Confiscation Day comes to a state near you. There is not a military on this planet that will have a snowball's chance in Hell of routing dedicated Patriots. Guerilla warfare is the name of the game and all this MOUT that the USMC is training for will all be for nothing.
You mentioned AK's versus B52's? Do you really think that they're going to nuke an entire US city to get at a hidden cell of militia? I think not. It will come down to urban/MOUT-type warfare which they have no chance of winning. The more violence they perpetrate in the streets, the more sheeple will wake up and join the cause.
Tanks will not roll in the streets. B52's will not drop payloads on LA.
If any of that were to occur, even the most Liberal, Socialist scoundrel would take up arms to drive out the tyrannts.
At best, you'll have door to door confiscation with poorly trained BATF SWAT teams.
On the subject of the military, did y'all know that it is know a common question upon applying for Special Forces of any kind that you answer "Yes" to the box marked:
"Would you, if ordered, confiscate firearms from US citizens?"
Those who answer "No" do not make the program. This is a new developement within the past five years that anyone who applied for Spec Ops programs since then can attest to.
For all you Goobermint officials and F-Troop flunkies out there that are surely watching, keep in mind that I'm not advocating violence against the US government. I'm simply stating that should the Consitution be declared null and void, the 100% legal unorganized militias of the US will kick * and take names.
"So, if there is a constitutional amendment that calls for gun control, and I am a law official, then it will be my proper and correct duty to implement that law. I sure as hell wouldn't agree with it though."
Like it or not, pray that you do not run into any Patriots during your confiscation. Over the hill duck hunters may turn in their goods, but we'll do our damnedest to make sure that only one of us goes home that night.
I (like 90% of all militia members) have bought and paid for the best training the United States has to offer and continue to do so several times each year. We train daily. We shoot thousands of rounds a year during that training. We're well-versed on MOUT tactics, much more so than your average GI Marine. We'll be fighting for our very lives and liberties, while the opposition will be working towards that next leave or pay check.
Do the math. Confiscation may come someday, but the price for invaders will be higher than they want to pay.
Plainly said, anyone who tries to steal my Life, Liberty or Property will die a bad death.
Stand And Be Counted
One a side note:
I find it really funny when I see a bunch of gun fanatics at the range with giant beer guts. If you are so committed to personal defense, take a jog now and then, and stop eating cheese burgers. If this well armed and trained militia is composed of those people, I'm not too worried.
For those of you who are interested...used sonabouy containers make excellent longterm watertight storage units. Of course if the people of the United States in their new found enlightenment determine that firearms are an evil that needs to be eliminated I guess anyone keeping their firearms becomes a real criminal....bummer. Oh well I guess there is a time and a place for everything.
But if you really want to keep your firearms....then spend the time to educate our youth. Go out to your CMP gunclub or boy scout troop or girl scout unit and then volunteer to help teach the merit badge class...I know I always seem to harp on this and I've told you guys before...but after you get done with the responsible 4 position small bore rifle instruction...let the kids rip off a few rounds from an M1 carbine or an AK-47(the only really good thing an AK is good for)....AND you have young converts to our cause. Beach
Just keep repeating that like a good Government lackey. If they made it legal to have sex with 5 year old little girls, would you pass your little girl around to your buddies? I think not, or at least hope not. Saying something is "legal" does not make it right.
"I find it really funny when I see a bunch of gun fanatics at the range with giant beer guts. If you are so committed to personal defense, take a jog now and then, and stop eating cheese burgers. If this well armed and trained militia is composed of those people, I'm not too worried."
If you had seem any of the pictures I posted of myself in the past, you'll see that I'm a very large man in peak physical condition. You know not of what you speak. I'm not refering to guys at the range who like to plink with their cool-looking AR's.
I'm refering to the Patriots who train silently, far from any regulated range, keeping both their minds and bodies in the best shape possible. Firing your rifle at the range does not make you combat effficient. It means you'll get real good at hitting paper.
We're always in the woods or urban mockups, moving, shooting: you name it.
As to tanks in the steets, that probably will happen when the US starts losing. However, as I already stated, that will bring most of the fence-riders into the open.
Once that fails and the UN is called in, the few remaining fence riders will be there to fight.
I won't get into too much of a pissing match with you, as neither of us can back up our claims over the Internet. History will tell who the better prepared group is.
While we're on the subject of beer guts, have you looked around at your local department yet? The doughnut-scarfing officer is by no means a thing of the past.
Stand And Be Counted
"That was Emilano Zapata, founder of the Zapatista revolutionaries in Mexico". (Bullzeye)
Actually the person who coined this quote (or is most famous for it)was James Brown, the "Godfather of Soul". He had a hit single in the 60's with title "I'd Rather Die On My Feet" (Than Go On Living On My Knees).
Zee
Why is there no comparison?Because you say so?
Happiness is a warm gun
South Vietnam lost.
Happiness is a warm gun
These are comments you have made, and could be the opinion of more than one American, and I'm not picking on you, just stating my opinion on these comments, no offense.
'Violence against your own government is never the answer. Think of who you will be killing. Not the politicians who made the laws, but the common man, a police man or FBI agent. These people are here to protect us, but must listen to what they are told to do.'
THIS COMMENT: Is completely ludicrous. These men have a choice in what they choose to do for a living, if they want to take part in stripping away my freedom, whether or not a constitutional ammendment was made or not, then they must face the consequences of their actions, just as I will if I do as I am told in my line of work in war time. I know what I'm getting into, I will suffer for my own mistakes. That applies to these men also.
No militia with light weaponry is any match for what is the complete bad assness of the U.S. military.
THIS COMMENT: The 'bad assness', come on. I live with Marines, Sailors and Soldiers, and am prior Air Force. I happen to know beyond all shadow of a doubt that our military is not made up of the perfect military men some envision, in peak shape, capabable of leaping tall buildings. The only thing that makes our military so 'bad' is our technology. I will address this in my next comment.
If the U.S. wanted to go door to door, they could, and if the U.S. wanted to take on a citizen's army, they could, without blinking. An A.K. 47 is no match for a B-52 at 30,000.
THIS COMMENT: There is no way, no matter what constitutional ammendment occurs, that Americans are going to allow Americans to bomb American soil. The U.S. military, as stated before, has technology, and some neat little devices, but when you get into what would amount to an American Vietnam, no military in the world would be capable of handling the logistical problems of waging a war in our own country. I can think of a dozen ways, off the top of my head, to stop the military cold, just by choking the crap out of their supply of what they need to do such a thing. The military wont perform the task you are speaking of, as stated before. If Special Forces want to say yes to a question, thats one thing, but actually following that order, against your own brother, cousin, uncle, father, neighbor, etc., is going to be a lot different than marking yes to a test question, and most will not be able to do so. I really find it silly that anyone might think an AK-47 is going to be the biggest worry when going up against a citizens army. This could be one of those discussions that go on forever, bottom line is, I dont care what anyone tells me to do, I will not fire a weapon against the citizens I protect, not for anyone. I sure as heck wont be in the mood to confiscate anyones weapons, after all mine have been buried, for safety. I'd like to meet the President that would give that order, I dont think that person exists. Any political figure that gives that order is commiting suicide, both political and physical.
I see where some of you are coming from saying that the antis are chipping away, but there is going to come a time when something else occurs, that has already been eluded to. The tide seems to be turning in our favor slightly, as of late. That tide would turn even more if guns were banned in more cities than already are affected by such actions. It will just be a matter of time before these cities that have no legal guns begin noticing the same problems as other countries without guns, higher crime, murder, etc. Americans are wiseing up to what has happened in other countries that have banned guns, and soon they will wake up, thats my prediction. You can try to groom young adults to dislike guns, but when they eventually come around, when crap hits the fan, and they realize that these things wouldnt be happening if they might have had a gun, they will vote differently. Its really not much different than trying to stamp out racism. I was in what would be considered 'an unfriendly towards blacks environment' growing up. That never rubbed off on me though, and I never bought into that line of thinking, I'll give these young kids a little credit, I have to, I was one once. They'll come around.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
At least, that's what Google says. Couldn't find any mention whatsoever that Emilano (or Emiliano) Zapata ever said it.
Reasons why this isn't like Vietnam:
1. The United States would have a goal, mainly keeping a people from toppling the government.
2. The "militia men" wouldn't be equipped with thousands of large SAM's and backed up by Russian MIGs.
3. Smart bombs.
4. Night vision.
5. Cruise missiles.
6. The "militia" seems to lake millions of farmers who live and work in the jungle to fight for them.
7. The US government is familiar with their own terrain.
So, seeing as Vietnam was in-part a proxy war with Russia that we gave up on, not that we lost. I dont see how this compares. But hey, you can be just like the Liberals who compare things to Vietnam all the time. Afghanistan is just like Vietnam too huh?
Edited by - SixStringer on 05/07/2002 22:52:28
Eric S. Williams
six stringer,,I can understand your view about the potbellied middle aged fellers at the range,,however, I am one of those you are talking about, and it is my opinion that any conflict wouldn't be resolved with a bunch of young guns with Ak's and taped together magazines,,shooting and carrying on and making a big ruckus,,it would be resolved with us ol' potbellied geezers hitting their target at 800 yards,,a good friend of mine is al ol' pot bellied geezer, however he can hit a 14 inch square metal plate almost every time at 800 yards with his Springfield 03-A3,,,with arpature(sp?)sights!! He didn't gain this skill spending his days shooting case after case of ammo at a target 20 yards away with an Ak-47!!
Lets hope this day never comes,,heck even the democrats are wooing the gun crowd these days,,,,
"No dear, this isn't a new gun,,I've had this one for quite a long time,,honest,,"
Happiness is a warm gun
It's the M1A or FAL for me.
Thanks Beach!
Stand And Be Counted
She may not be terribly accurate, and she may not be terribly pleasing to the tender and cosmopolitan sensibilites of your average shooter, but when it comes to 100% down in the mud, heat/cold/sleet/snow reliability, you simply cant beat it.
Plus ammo is cheap, which makes stockpiling easier.
I guarantee you the VC were plenty glad they had AKs when they were wading through mangrove swamps and running through the heavy jungle in the pouring rain.
Disclaimer: I'm not dissing anything here. Every weapons has something they're the best at. I'm just reminding people of what the AK is best at.
We won the battles but lost the war, we lost the war because of,
Certain person/persons inability to accept the fact that the military needed to bomb the hell out of a few certain places that was deemed off limits by person/persons who thought it would stir up too much of a rukus to cross a certain line/trail and certain cities inhabbited by hostile forces. By making those choices our armies was not able to stop supply lines and fresh forces from entering the "playing field". It was kinda like playing a football game where the home team has the whole field to play on but the visiting team is not allowed to cross the 50 yard line. we can/did kick the snot out of them on one side of the line but could not advance over to finish the game. And I do believe a certain person/persons did allow some of the bombing to happen but then got himself/themselves into hot water with another certain group of %!@#&!#*%&*!@#$%$!%^#$*&$($!(*#$&@&@^%!^@#$%!@.