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Bill Ruger's pro-Communist views and long-standing links to organized crime are pretty much common knowledge. And his list of original investors is a veritable "who's who" of 1950's Hollywood cross-dressers, including Randolph Scott and George Nader. Although his years of alcoholism and substance abuse did contribute to some novel gun designs, the company's recent decision to supply third-world toilets like Belize and the Dominican Republic with Mini-14's is the absolute last straw.
quote:Bill Ruger's pro-Communist views and long-standing links to organized crime are pretty much common knowledge. And his list of original investors is a veritable "who's who" of 1950's Hollywood cross-dressers, including Randolph Scott and George Nader. Although his years of alcoholism and substance abuse did contribute to some novel gun designs, the company's recent decision to supply third-world toilets like Belize and the Dominican Republic with Mini-14's is the absolute last straw.
There's a Whole Internet of Information out there.
Show me the Proof!
The original investor was Sturm.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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[/OK, Let's boycott all the gun companies. I am sure that they have all done something wrong in the past. Now we have no one to buy from. Welcome to the world of self imposed gun control! What a concept!!!
I have some Ruger firearms and wouldn't hesitate to buy more if the mood struck. My M77 .220 Swift "1 of 1000" is more accurate than the guy pulling the trigger, my original .44 Carbine has never jammed, nor has the mini-14; the Bearcat is sweet, the single six convertible .22 shoots straight. The finish is not as nice as many higher priced brands, the styling not as sleek, but the engineering is first rate and they are reliable. The Internet plays host to many stories; some are even true, but I'd want to see this from other sources (not slamming you, nitrouz!) before I gave it much credence.
My Ruger collection is at 26 at this time and growing.Wish I has bought more Rugers instead of all the surplus stuff from Big 5---My latest craze is collecting Ruger parts also.
Bill Ruger is dead now,lets stop pi**ing on his grave,
EvilDr235
Two types of people drive old cars.Rich people because they want to and poor people because they have to.
"Steve Sanetti says 'I know better' than to ascribe Bill Ruger's
magazine ban proposal to business considerations. Maybe so; I don't
think Bill is by any means 'anti-gun,' nor do I think he really
_wants_ a ban on either guns or magazines (after all, he got his
start as a machine gun designer). But I do think Bill Ruger is pushing
a plan that would protect his business while affecting only his
competitors, and I think he's damaging the efforts of those of us
attempting to stop all proposed bans. Further, I don't think his actions
on this issue, and other issues in the past, allows him to be described
as 'the strongest supporter of our Constitutional right to keep and
bear arms.'
"What I _know_ is that about 9 p.m. the night before Bill sent a
letter to certain members of Congress calling for a ban on high-capacity
magazines he called me, wanting me to push such a ban. His opening
words, after citing the many federal, state and local bills to ban
detachable magazine semi-autos, were 'I want to save our little gun' --
which he later defined as the Mini-14 and the Mini-30. I'm not ascribing
Bill's motives as 'expedient from a business standpoint;' Bill did.
"While I agree that a ban on over-15 magazines would be 'indefinitely
preferable' to a ban on the guns that use them, that's not the question.
Neither I, nor the other gun groups have ever believed that we were
faced with such an either/or choice. Early last year the NRA legislative
Policy committee discussed various alternatives to the proposed 'assault
weapons' ban, and wisely decided that magazine restrictions wouldn't
satisfy our foes, but would make it more difficult to stop a gun ban.
"I was particularly shocked when I realized Bill was talking about a
ban on possession of over-15-round magazines, rather than a ban on
sales (which is bad enough). I told him that such a law would make
me a felon, for not only did I have standard over-15 magazines for
my Glock pistol (a high-capacity which has sharply cut into Ruger's
police business), I have many high-cap mags for guns I don't even own,
and don't even know where they all are. As I told Bill, after a
lifetime of accumulating miscellaneous gun parts and accessories,
there's no way I could clean out all my old parts drawers and boxes,
then swear -- subject to a five or ten-year Federal prison term --
that I absolutely didn't have an M3 grease gun mag or 30-round M-2
magazine lying in some forgotten drawer.
"Bill said (and all these direct quotes are approximate). 'No,
there'd be amnesty for people like you. We have to propose a ban on
possession before they could take us seriously.' He contended that
the public's problem was with 'firepower,' which could be resolved
by eliminating high capacity mags.
I own several Ruger's, just wanted to get everyone's opinions.
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
- Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
This is an excerpt from the second link. Like I said before the original bill was to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
Bill Ruger made a consession to limit the ammunition capacity rather then limit the type of guns themselves. The second link is also from nitrous's first source "the Gunnrunner".
quote:"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines.
"By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item.
"A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives."
William B. Ruger
Sturm, Ruger Firearms
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
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I'll list a few tidbits from my research;
quote:Mr. Ruger was later interviewed by the national TV media. The
media excerpted and broadcast only those portions of Mr. Ruger's
interview which would be interpreted as a gun maker opposing
civilian ownership of firearms.
He also got rid of helmet laws for employees;
quote:American Motorcyclist Association (AMA)
NHMRO Press Release
May 26, 1998
Sturm Ruger & Company Inc. changed its policy on Motorcyclists coverage regarding the wearing of helmets on May 4, 1998. It no longer will require its employees to wear helmets in order to be covered under the companies insurance policy.
In a phone conversation with Mr. Bill Ruger, Jr., President of the company, Mr. Ruger explained that after four years of looking at the company policy they decided to make several changes on the types of activities covered. Mr. Ruger further explained that "our experience has indicated that the cost was not significant and that the restrictions were no longer necessary." Mr. Ruger also expressed his thoughts on helmet laws in general, he believes that the legislature should not enact helmet laws and that individuals should be responsible for their own safety and use reasonable care and exercise caution when riding. Mr. Ruger also commented on motorcycle organizations, he thought that they should promote rider safety and the use of safety equipment, including helmets.
NHMRO believes that Mr. Ruger came to the correct decision on its policy changes, reaffirming the position we have held for many years. That motorcyclists are no more a burden to the system than any other segment of society. NHMRO appreciates the fact that Ruger has taken an objective look at this issue and we applaud their willingness to adjust the company policy on this issue. We would hope that other companies would follow Ruger's example and use this as a model for setting policy in the future.
The New Hampshire Motorcyclists' Rights Organization was founded in 1975 and supports motorcycle safety through education rather than legislation. It was a major player in the creation of New Hampshire's nationally recognized motorcycle rider education courses.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
quote:We might also mention that while some other firearms company executives were dropping certain models from their lines or signing agreements to please the Clinton White House, William B. Ruger said, "No thank you." When CEOs from other industries lined up to ride around with former Commerce Secretary Ron Brown after making a donation to his political party, Ruger said, "No thank you." More telling still, while others ran to Japan, Mexico and our new-found friends, the communist Chinese, to manufacture the products our citizens bought, Ruger again said, "No thank you" and continued to hire Americans to make his products in plants here at home. Yes, character matters. Yes, it always will. Yes, people notice.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Even when I hear the "ugly gun" comments, I can't help but snicker. IMO, and it is my money on the counter, they're sweet to hold and shoot, and bee ute ti full! [^]
I'm proud of my mini-14, Single Six, and pair of Mark II's. That escutcheon of red or black, may it long make a statement for American business, however it's had to survive.
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
I don't own any Rugers anymore, or any guns for that matter....I am after all only a student of firearms history, however...I had a P89 at one time and had no compunction about trading it to someone for a more compact handgun.
Ruger made a few really great guns but a lot of their stuff is over-enginiered and rather clunky.
The great ones are the 10/22, Mark II pistol, Ruger No. 1 (in lightweight or Saffari), and the Red Label Shotguns.
Stepped in it hell, he jumped in with both feet!!! Im on the other side, but Ill help pull him back out. Liveliest Ive seen this forum in weeks, we needed something to get the ole blood circulating!
Yee Haw!
Actually it was a good post I think we all know a little more than we did before we started. Hats off to you guys who did the research!!!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
"Unwavering dedication"
DMS recently received a $2.5-million
bequest from the estate of
William B. Ruger, an American
gun designer and the founder of
Sturm, Ruger and Company. A
generous philanthropist to hospitals
and museums all across the
country, Ruger was chairman
emeritus of the company at the
time of his death in July.
With plants located in
Newport, N.H., and Prescott, Ariz.,
and corporate headquarters in
Southport, Conn., Sturm, Ruger
manufactures rifles, shotguns,
pistols, and revolvers for a variety
of sporting and law-enforcement
purposes as well as precision castings
for aerospace, automotive,
and other applications. A legend
in U.S. industry, Ruger influenced
the original design and styling of
every firearm his company made.
Ruger was posthumously
awarded the New Hampshire
Business and Industry Association
Lifetime Achievement Award,
which honors individuals who
demonstrate "an unwavering dedication
to their industry, their local
community, and the state."
Carolyn Ruger Vogel accepted
the award on her father's behalf.
"My father saw the great potential
of opening a major manufacturing
facility in Newport
back in 1963 while
on a hunting trip.
The industrial history
of the region,
combined with the
strong New Hampshire
work ethic,
inspired him to build what eventually
became the largest facility
of the largest sporting firearms
manufacturer in the nation."
"Bill Ruger's devotion to highquality
workmanship was evident
throughout his personal and professional
life and in the company
he built," says Ethan Dmitrovsky,
M.D., acting dean of DMS. "We
are so grateful for his friendship
over the years and deeply honored
that he chose to support DMS with
this generous bequest."
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
I'll step into this one. Let me get this straight. Ruger doesnt think helmets are of enough benefit to a rider when involved in an acident to make them mandatory for his companies employees, to require them for payment on a life insurance policy through his company, if death is incurred on a motorcycle? Hmmm??? Its been proven that wearing a helmet can save lives, and the same goes for a seat belt. While I'm not one that likes to wear a seat belt all the time for different reasons, I concur that its a good idea, and I've warmed up to the logic of it, much like putting your child in an approved restraint device. I would also never ride a motorcycle without a helmet, cause its just stupid not too wear one. My brother would be dead if he hadnt worn one. I think anyone who isnt intersted in making their employees more apt to survive an accident, through their proactive approach at protecting them with the proper available safety equipment, is a complete idiot. By the way, dont forget I love Ruger firearms. This is just my opinion on the logic behind not wearing a helmet and your life insurance provider saying, cool, ride on dude.[V]
ON CAPITOL HILL
House passes gun-suit
immunity bill
'We shouldn't use the judicial process to bankrupt an industry'
Posted: April 11, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jon Dougherty
c 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
The House has passed a bill that protects gun manufacturers from lawsuits that have left the industry reeling financially, though not a single court has yet to hold a manufacturer liable for criminal misuse of its products.
Lawmakers yesterday easily passed the measure 285-140, with most Republicans backing it. Democrats were split, Reuters reported.
"We shouldn't use the judicial process to bankrupt an industry that makes a legal product," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. He went on to accuse gun-control groups of using the court system push a "back door" political agenda.
Gun-control groups have said they wanted to impose financial hardships on gun makers by taking them to court and forcing them to spend tens of thousands of dollars defending their products.
So far, one company - Navegar Inc. - has declared bankruptcy, though lawsuits brought against the company in California failed to find it negligent in a 1993 San Francisco multiple homicide.
The Bush administration said it strongly supports the bill, adding it would "prevent abuse of the legal system and help curb the growing problem of frivolous lawsuits." The bill now moves on to the Senate, where nearly half of senators have signed on to cosponsor it.
Gun-control groups say they oppose the bill because it would allow shoddy gun manufacturers off the hook financially and leave victims and their families without redress in the courts.
In a series of lawsuits filed by a number of cities and municipalities near the end of the Clinton administration, gun-control supporters say gun makers should be held liable for criminal misuse of their products and should be made to compensate cities financially for funds spent on treating victims of armed criminal action.
Courts so far haven't bought that argument, but groups such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have persisted. Officials of the group say they will unveil internal industry documents showing that some gun makers and dealers knowingly supply guns to criminals.
If the bill clears the Senate and is signed by President Bush, it will negate some 300 pending state and federal lawsuits, and prevent such suits in the future.
As WND reported, Gun Owners of America, a Virginia-based gun-rights group, warned that the lawsuits would ultimately harm national security if they successfully shut down a number of key gun manufacturers.
Erich Pratt, spokesman for GOA, said groups like the Brady Campaign and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People - which has a gun industry suit pending in New York - are "helping to * the very industry that supplies our men with their weapons."
In a statement, GOA said, "The National Shooting Sports Foundation has documented the patriotic service that many of the gun makers, who are named in the NAACP suit, have offered to our country."
Included on that list are Colt, one of the makers of the U.S. military's M-16 series of rifles; Smith & Wesson, one of the largest producers of firearms for the military and law enforcement; Browning, credited with giving the U.S. and its allies firearms superiority throughout the two world wars, as well as the Korean War; Sturm, Ruger & Company, which donated rifles to the New York City Police Department in the days following Sept. 11, 2001, for the protection of the people of the city; Glock, also a major supplier of firearms to law enforcement and military personnel; and Sig Arms, which provides the official sidearm for the U.S. Navy SEALS.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
quote:Originally posted by robsguns
I'll step into this one. Let me get this straight. Ruger doesnt think helmets are of enough benefit to a rider when involved in an acident to make them mandatory for his companies employees, to require them for payment on a life insurance policy through his company, if death is incurred on a motorcycle? Hmmm??? Its been proven that wearing a helmet can save lives, and the same goes for a seat belt. While I'm not one that likes to wear a seat belt all the time for different reasons, I concur that its a good idea, and I've warmed up to the logic of it, much like putting your child in an approved restraint device. I would also never ride a motorcycle without a helmet, cause its just stupid not too wear one.
My thoughts: If a person is stupid enough to even ride a motorcycle on the main roads and expressways; they are stupid enough to ride one without a helment.
Also those that opposed (mostly Democrats) the bill to prohibit lawsuits against gun manufactures ought to be removed from office and join the ranks of the unemployed and the ones that would be unemployed if gun manufactures were forced out of business because of lawsuits against them.
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, not liberty to purchase power."
Benjamin Franklin, 1785
quote:Originally posted by IAMACLONE_2
IMHO
The only good piece they built was the 10/22, even though the mounting of the barrel to the aluminum reciever has a bit to be desired, cause its so easy to strip out.
Their handguns and rifle (again IMHO), are crude in looks and function compared to the Remington, Winchester and others.
Not that Smith & Wesson is that much better in hand guns.
I prefer rifles bySako, Weatherby, Remington & Winchester, in handguns Sig's & HK, due to the fit & finnish.
Are American gun makers becoming second class compared to the Euro's?
Walte
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? I would consider the 10/22 a very nice gun but there are better guns made by ruger. I've shot a 10/22, single six, and the mark 2. They were all great guns. I ecspecially like the rifles, I have killed all my deer with a mark 2 in either .270 or .243. I dont know what you have been shooting but I can gurantee a ruger can outshoot a remington. I like remington shotguns but absolutly hate their there rifle line, except the adl's and bdl's which I really dont like that much either. Have you shot any other models besides the 10/22?????
basically lemme break it down for ya, ruger is the ****, and if somebody doesnt wanna wear a seatbelt, or a helmet, then who cares, they aint hurting nobody but themselves, let em decide on their own..
Nitrouz, You took and unfair beating on ruger products! If America is to be saved it's going to take more than gun nuts braging about their rugers and beating up on the messenger (YOU)! We (all of us) must understand what Bill Ruger is up against and support him in other ways than buying his guns. Don't get me wrong I own 3 rugers #1 45-70, guide gun 45-70 and 357 Black hawk and they are fine guns.
Evil can surive only when good men sit back and let it happen. When are the people going to say ENOUGH!!
Yes your Honor, I robbed three banks last night, but it's ok I choose to do it no more!!!![:D] So can I keep the money?????[:I][:0]
Campy: we may be gun nuts, but Blackie and I both know your just plain nuts!!!!![:D] By the way, Ive gone all summer and all Ive seen is hummingbirds wheres the sunflowers???
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
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Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.<BR>
There's a Whole Internet of Information out there.
Show me the Proof!
The original investor was Sturm.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Randolph Scott was a cross-dresser? Please, say it aint so.
Yes, and he was known to frequently share his Lady Remington with Jon Hall and Turhan Bey.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Did I just have My Leg Pulled? [}:)] [8D]
heh-heh-heh
Bill Ruger is dead now,lets stop pi**ing on his grave,
EvilDr235
Two types of people drive old cars.Rich people because they want to and poor people because they have to.
<Oh hi, RugerNiner, didn't see you standing there...> [:p][;)]
Big Al
"Steve Sanetti says 'I know better' than to ascribe Bill Ruger's
magazine ban proposal to business considerations. Maybe so; I don't
think Bill is by any means 'anti-gun,' nor do I think he really
_wants_ a ban on either guns or magazines (after all, he got his
start as a machine gun designer). But I do think Bill Ruger is pushing
a plan that would protect his business while affecting only his
competitors, and I think he's damaging the efforts of those of us
attempting to stop all proposed bans. Further, I don't think his actions
on this issue, and other issues in the past, allows him to be described
as 'the strongest supporter of our Constitutional right to keep and
bear arms.'
"What I _know_ is that about 9 p.m. the night before Bill sent a
letter to certain members of Congress calling for a ban on high-capacity
magazines he called me, wanting me to push such a ban. His opening
words, after citing the many federal, state and local bills to ban
detachable magazine semi-autos, were 'I want to save our little gun' --
which he later defined as the Mini-14 and the Mini-30. I'm not ascribing
Bill's motives as 'expedient from a business standpoint;' Bill did.
"While I agree that a ban on over-15 magazines would be 'indefinitely
preferable' to a ban on the guns that use them, that's not the question.
Neither I, nor the other gun groups have ever believed that we were
faced with such an either/or choice. Early last year the NRA legislative
Policy committee discussed various alternatives to the proposed 'assault
weapons' ban, and wisely decided that magazine restrictions wouldn't
satisfy our foes, but would make it more difficult to stop a gun ban.
"I was particularly shocked when I realized Bill was talking about a
ban on possession of over-15-round magazines, rather than a ban on
sales (which is bad enough). I told him that such a law would make
me a felon, for not only did I have standard over-15 magazines for
my Glock pistol (a high-capacity which has sharply cut into Ruger's
police business), I have many high-cap mags for guns I don't even own,
and don't even know where they all are. As I told Bill, after a
lifetime of accumulating miscellaneous gun parts and accessories,
there's no way I could clean out all my old parts drawers and boxes,
then swear -- subject to a five or ten-year Federal prison term --
that I absolutely didn't have an M3 grease gun mag or 30-round M-2
magazine lying in some forgotten drawer.
"Bill said (and all these direct quotes are approximate). 'No,
there'd be amnesty for people like you. We have to propose a ban on
possession before they could take us seriously.' He contended that
the public's problem was with 'firepower,' which could be resolved
by eliminating high capacity mags.
I own several Ruger's, just wanted to get everyone's opinions.
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
- Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
Mk2 and 10/22.
Got rid of the inaccurate Mini 14 a couple of years ago to get the money to build a Bushmaster target gun, yeah.
http://keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=1143
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
- Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
http://www.survival.com.mx/gunrack/rants.html
This is an excerpt from the second link. Like I said before the original bill was to ban all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.
Bill Ruger made a consession to limit the ammunition capacity rather then limit the type of guns themselves. The second link is also from nitrous's first source "the Gunnrunner".
quote:"The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines.
"By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item.
"A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives."
William B. Ruger
Sturm, Ruger Firearms
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
quote:Mr. Ruger was later interviewed by the national TV media. The
media excerpted and broadcast only those portions of Mr. Ruger's
interview which would be interpreted as a gun maker opposing
civilian ownership of firearms.
He also got rid of helmet laws for employees;
quote:American Motorcyclist Association (AMA)
NHMRO Press Release
May 26, 1998
Sturm Ruger & Company Inc. changed its policy on Motorcyclists coverage regarding the wearing of helmets on May 4, 1998. It no longer will require its employees to wear helmets in order to be covered under the companies insurance policy.
In a phone conversation with Mr. Bill Ruger, Jr., President of the company, Mr. Ruger explained that after four years of looking at the company policy they decided to make several changes on the types of activities covered. Mr. Ruger further explained that "our experience has indicated that the cost was not significant and that the restrictions were no longer necessary." Mr. Ruger also expressed his thoughts on helmet laws in general, he believes that the legislature should not enact helmet laws and that individuals should be responsible for their own safety and use reasonable care and exercise caution when riding. Mr. Ruger also commented on motorcycle organizations, he thought that they should promote rider safety and the use of safety equipment, including helmets.
NHMRO believes that Mr. Ruger came to the correct decision on its policy changes, reaffirming the position we have held for many years. That motorcyclists are no more a burden to the system than any other segment of society. NHMRO appreciates the fact that Ruger has taken an objective look at this issue and we applaud their willingness to adjust the company policy on this issue. We would hope that other companies would follow Ruger's example and use this as a model for setting policy in the future.
The New Hampshire Motorcyclists' Rights Organization was founded in 1975 and supports motorcycle safety through education rather than legislation. It was a major player in the creation of New Hampshire's nationally recognized motorcycle rider education courses.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, not liberty to purchase power."
Benjamin Franklin, 1785
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
You've pretty well laid it out.
Even when I hear the "ugly gun" comments, I can't help but snicker. IMO, and it is my money on the counter, they're sweet to hold and shoot, and bee ute ti full! [^]
http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=826&magid=64
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
Ruger made a few really great guns but a lot of their stuff is over-enginiered and rather clunky.
The great ones are the 10/22, Mark II pistol, Ruger No. 1 (in lightweight or Saffari), and the Red Label Shotguns.
I think you might have really stepped in it this time.IMHO
mohawk600,we need to meet in Austin next month.
IT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES THAT MAKES THEM AFRAID.
Yee Haw!
Actually it was a good post I think we all know a little more than we did before we started. Hats off to you guys who did the research!!!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
"Unwavering dedication"
DMS recently received a $2.5-million
bequest from the estate of
William B. Ruger, an American
gun designer and the founder of
Sturm, Ruger and Company. A
generous philanthropist to hospitals
and museums all across the
country, Ruger was chairman
emeritus of the company at the
time of his death in July.
With plants located in
Newport, N.H., and Prescott, Ariz.,
and corporate headquarters in
Southport, Conn., Sturm, Ruger
manufactures rifles, shotguns,
pistols, and revolvers for a variety
of sporting and law-enforcement
purposes as well as precision castings
for aerospace, automotive,
and other applications. A legend
in U.S. industry, Ruger influenced
the original design and styling of
every firearm his company made.
Ruger was posthumously
awarded the New Hampshire
Business and Industry Association
Lifetime Achievement Award,
which honors individuals who
demonstrate "an unwavering dedication
to their industry, their local
community, and the state."
Carolyn Ruger Vogel accepted
the award on her father's behalf.
"My father saw the great potential
of opening a major manufacturing
facility in Newport
back in 1963 while
on a hunting trip.
The industrial history
of the region,
combined with the
strong New Hampshire
work ethic,
inspired him to build what eventually
became the largest facility
of the largest sporting firearms
manufacturer in the nation."
"Bill Ruger's devotion to highquality
workmanship was evident
throughout his personal and professional
life and in the company
he built," says Ethan Dmitrovsky,
M.D., acting dean of DMS. "We
are so grateful for his friendship
over the years and deeply honored
that he chose to support DMS with
this generous bequest."
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC
IT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES THAT MAKES THEM AFRAID.
House passes gun-suit
immunity bill
'We shouldn't use the judicial process to bankrupt an industry'
Posted: April 11, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jon Dougherty
c 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
The House has passed a bill that protects gun manufacturers from lawsuits that have left the industry reeling financially, though not a single court has yet to hold a manufacturer liable for criminal misuse of its products.
Lawmakers yesterday easily passed the measure 285-140, with most Republicans backing it. Democrats were split, Reuters reported.
"We shouldn't use the judicial process to bankrupt an industry that makes a legal product," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. He went on to accuse gun-control groups of using the court system push a "back door" political agenda.
Gun-control groups have said they wanted to impose financial hardships on gun makers by taking them to court and forcing them to spend tens of thousands of dollars defending their products.
So far, one company - Navegar Inc. - has declared bankruptcy, though lawsuits brought against the company in California failed to find it negligent in a 1993 San Francisco multiple homicide.
The Bush administration said it strongly supports the bill, adding it would "prevent abuse of the legal system and help curb the growing problem of frivolous lawsuits." The bill now moves on to the Senate, where nearly half of senators have signed on to cosponsor it.
Gun-control groups say they oppose the bill because it would allow shoddy gun manufacturers off the hook financially and leave victims and their families without redress in the courts.
In a series of lawsuits filed by a number of cities and municipalities near the end of the Clinton administration, gun-control supporters say gun makers should be held liable for criminal misuse of their products and should be made to compensate cities financially for funds spent on treating victims of armed criminal action.
Courts so far haven't bought that argument, but groups such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have persisted. Officials of the group say they will unveil internal industry documents showing that some gun makers and dealers knowingly supply guns to criminals.
If the bill clears the Senate and is signed by President Bush, it will negate some 300 pending state and federal lawsuits, and prevent such suits in the future.
As WND reported, Gun Owners of America, a Virginia-based gun-rights group, warned that the lawsuits would ultimately harm national security if they successfully shut down a number of key gun manufacturers.
Erich Pratt, spokesman for GOA, said groups like the Brady Campaign and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People - which has a gun industry suit pending in New York - are "helping to * the very industry that supplies our men with their weapons."
In a statement, GOA said, "The National Shooting Sports Foundation has documented the patriotic service that many of the gun makers, who are named in the NAACP suit, have offered to our country."
Included on that list are Colt, one of the makers of the U.S. military's M-16 series of rifles; Smith & Wesson, one of the largest producers of firearms for the military and law enforcement; Browning, credited with giving the U.S. and its allies firearms superiority throughout the two world wars, as well as the Korean War; Sturm, Ruger & Company, which donated rifles to the New York City Police Department in the days following Sept. 11, 2001, for the protection of the people of the city; Glock, also a major supplier of firearms to law enforcement and military personnel; and Sig Arms, which provides the official sidearm for the U.S. Navy SEALS.
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I'll step into this one. Let me get this straight. Ruger doesnt think helmets are of enough benefit to a rider when involved in an acident to make them mandatory for his companies employees, to require them for payment on a life insurance policy through his company, if death is incurred on a motorcycle? Hmmm??? Its been proven that wearing a helmet can save lives, and the same goes for a seat belt. While I'm not one that likes to wear a seat belt all the time for different reasons, I concur that its a good idea, and I've warmed up to the logic of it, much like putting your child in an approved restraint device. I would also never ride a motorcycle without a helmet, cause its just stupid not too wear one.
My thoughts: If a person is stupid enough to even ride a motorcycle on the main roads and expressways; they are stupid enough to ride one without a helment.
Also those that opposed (mostly Democrats) the bill to prohibit lawsuits against gun manufactures ought to be removed from office and join the ranks of the unemployed and the ones that would be unemployed if gun manufactures were forced out of business because of lawsuits against them.
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Benjamin Franklin, 1785
IMHO
The only good piece they built was the 10/22, even though the mounting of the barrel to the aluminum reciever has a bit to be desired, cause its so easy to strip out.
Their handguns and rifle (again IMHO), are crude in looks and function compared to the Remington, Winchester and others.
Not that Smith & Wesson is that much better in hand guns.
I prefer rifles bySako, Weatherby, Remington & Winchester, in handguns Sig's & HK, due to the fit & finnish.
Are American gun makers becoming second class compared to the Euro's?
Walte
ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? I would consider the 10/22 a very nice gun but there are better guns made by ruger. I've shot a 10/22, single six, and the mark 2. They were all great guns. I ecspecially like the rifles, I have killed all my deer with a mark 2 in either .270 or .243. I dont know what you have been shooting but I can gurantee a ruger can outshoot a remington. I like remington shotguns but absolutly hate their there rifle line, except the adl's and bdl's which I really dont like that much either. Have you shot any other models besides the 10/22?????
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It's ok y'all, got my hip boots on.
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
- Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
Evil can surive only when good men sit back and let it happen. When are the people going to say ENOUGH!!
Mis-lead
Let everyone else support them and when 'Assault WEapon' Ban Two kicks into effect.....There will be no one to blame....everyone supports it.
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
- Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
Campy: we may be gun nuts, but Blackie and I both know your just plain nuts!!!!![:D] By the way, Ive gone all summer and all Ive seen is hummingbirds wheres the sunflowers???
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Old times are past, old times are done:
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