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Question for Glock Haters.
dreher
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I see many people that seem to REALLY hate Glock's here on the forum.
I am thinking of getting my first Glock and would like to know what so many of you have against them. I think the more you know the better before you lay down your hard earned dollars so whip it on me![:)]
I am thinking of getting my first Glock and would like to know what so many of you have against them. I think the more you know the better before you lay down your hard earned dollars so whip it on me![:)]
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That is why the argument will go on forever.
Glocks are FANTASTIC; they keep shooting after tens of thousand of rounds, they are accurate and feed like no other. It is a simple design, with few parts and the darn thing works. I use my G-21 for my main home defense gun. It SUCKS there is no manual safety IMNSHO.
The 1911 is perfection in STEEL, it is reliable unless messed with by bubba and did I say it is made from STEEL with carefully machined parts and a brilliant design now over 105 years old.
Pick up a Glock, if you like it buy it.
Pick up a 1911, if you like it buy it.
I see many people that seem to REALLY hate Glock's here on the forum.
I am thinking of getting my first Glock and would like to know what so many of you have against them. I think the more you know the better before you lay down your hard earned dollars so whip it on me![:)]
I didn't "hate" the gun, but I felt uncomfortable carrying it and I really just didn't like the way it felt in my hand.
Our local PD has had 2 officers shoot themselves in the foot while holstering their guns. Yes, they were told to keep their finger outside of the TG while holstering it, but your fingers have a natural tendency to curl.
Even before that, many PD's doubled the number of hours in their academy firearm training classes when they adopted Glocks.
The early Glock hard cases had a post molded where the TG goes. But, some folks thought that storing a fully loaded gun in the case was a good idea, so that resulted in a fair number of AD's. Glock removed the post.
Ever hear of the New York trigger for the Glock? Glock developed a heavier trigger because the NYPD threatened not to buy Glocks, because of the light standard trigger.
For the record, I own one Glock (a 43), & I have also shot a 19. I can't hit much with either one, but I can pick up any SIG, H&K, Colt, or S&W auto & shoot decent targets.
Yeah, I know, it's me, not the gun.
Neal
If you pull the trigger it goes bang.
As far as going off while holstering with a 5 pound trigger that is just as likely with a revolver!
Carrying a weapon that is ready to shoot without a manual safety to release is important for some.
If you don't practice drawing and removing a mechanical safety you end up with a hammer in your hand.
I also don't get why some people are afraid to carry a 1911 locked and cocked it is no different then any other gun really.
If you are really worried about a safety feature get a squeeze cocker or a Beretta.
I don't hate Glocks, I'm just afraid of them.
Our local PD has had 2 officers shoot themselves in the foot while holstering their guns. Yes, they were told to keep their finger outside of the TG while holstering it, but your fingers have a natural tendency to curl.
Even before that, many PD's doubled the number of hours in their academy firearm training classes when they adopted Glocks.
The early Glock hard cases had a post molded where the TG goes. But, some folks thought that storing a fully loaded gun in the case was a good idea, so that resulted in a fair number of AD's. Glock removed the post.
Ever hear of the New York trigger for the Glock? Glock developed a heavier trigger because the NYPD threatened not to buy Glocks, because of the light standard trigger.
For the record, I own one Glock (a 43), & I have also shot a 19. I can't hit much with either one, but I can pick up any SIG, H&K, Colt, or S&W auto & shoot decent targets.
Yeah, I know, it's me, not the gun.
Neal
I really wish there was an indoor range that rented out a bunch of different models from different manufacturers here in Spartanburg but if there is a range rental outfit here it is a well kept secret.
I prefer all steel.
They gots NUTTIN!
That is why the argument will go on forever.
yup
from it will melt in an oven to it can go off by itself holds no water
i would wager many of haters {not all} but many hate them because they dont understand them, and could not even change a hammer spring in their 1911
quote:Originally posted by bpost
They gots NUTTIN!
That is why the argument will go on forever.
yup
from it will melt in an oven to it can go off by itself holds no water
i would wager many of haters {not all} but many hate them because they dont understand them, and could not even change a hammer spring in their 1911
Absolutely untrue for many. I can completely fix (that is replace parts as necessary) a 1911 or Beretta 92.
And what is there to understand? It's a pistol, not a satellite.
I guess I also have an "irrational" prejudice against anything that calls ITSELF "perfect". Be it a firearm company or an individual that is the height of arrogance. The GLOKE is far from perfect...and the fact that they claim it is irresponsible at worst and ludicrous at best.
I think they are ugly, with terrible triggers and are quite bulky.
I prefer all steel.
Yep, same for me.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by bpost
They gots NUTTIN!
That is why the argument will go on forever.
yup
from it will melt in an oven to it can go off by itself holds no water
i would wager many of haters {not all} but many hate them because they dont understand them, and could not even change a hammer spring in their 1911
Absolutely untrue for many. I can completely fix (that is replace parts as necessary) a 1911 or Beretta 92.
And what is there to understand? It's a pistol, not a satellite.
I guess I also have an "irrational" prejudice against anything that calls ITSELF "perfect". Be it a firearm company or an individual that is the height of arrogance. The GLOKE is far from perfect...and the fact that they claim it is irresponsible at worst and ludicrous at best.
as i stated {not all}
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
I think they are ugly, with terrible triggers and are quite bulky.
I prefer all steel.
Yep, same for me.
+1,I also don't like the slide to frame fit. I prefer a external thumb safety. I prefer a full hammer. I had a springfield XD that shot great,but I traded in because it was too glock like.
i would wager many of haters {not all} but many hate them because they dont understand them, and could not even change a hammer spring in their 1911
Or...maybe we just don't like them.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
i would wager many of haters {not all} but many hate them because they dont understand them, and could not even change a hammer spring in their 1911
Or...maybe we just don't like them.
Well said! [8D]
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
i would wager many of haters {not all} but many hate them because they dont understand them, and could not even change a hammer spring in their 1911
Or...maybe we just don't like them.
not liking something is not on the same level as hate [;)]
Not a good start.
I bought a couple and they were OK, nothing about them made me like or dislike them except the pulling the trigger to take down for cleaning something that has taken many lives.
I know, it is the users fault but to build in to a gun that unintended suicide function still baffles me.
But, no hate just no care.
I prefer a DA/SA decocker pistol and spent my life avoiding Sigs as over priced status snob pistols but now most of my pistols are turning into Sigs purely from shooting them and buying more because they work so well are so easy to take down and don't require risking unintended suicide
A good 1911 is still the gun I can shoot more accurately but the metal Sigs are my preference for SD pistols
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
I really wish there was an indoor range that rented out a bunch of different models from different manufacturers here in Spartanburg but if there is a range rental outfit here it is a well kept secret.
Two ranges in Greenville have rental guns. Allen Arms and Sharpshooters.
http://www.allenarms.com/range.php#equipment-rental
http://www.sharpshootersgreenville.com/range
PS I could never grasp the concept of a plastic hand gun.
I suggest you go thru the links below and decide later.
https://www.google.com/#q=why+do+glocks+explode
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Dan I got this out the link you posted LOL,, Glocknade perfection at it's best[;)]
cool, they have been contracted to replace the m67 grenades , should cut that 14oz in half [:D]
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Dan I got this out the link you posted LOL,, Glocknade perfection at it's best[;)]
cool, they have been contracted to replace the m67 grenades , should cut that 14oz in half [:D]
And make it more accurate!!![:D]
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
I do not own a plastic pistol...
I do own a pair of nylon 66 Remington rifles...
I do own a charter arms AR-7 rifle...
I do have synthetic stocked long arms (kevlar - zytel - rubber)
Maybe it makes me a hypocrite - but a pistol should be cold steel construction of its major elements...
I have a pistol with plastic grip panels and polygonal rifling...
But the slide and frame and bbl are steel.
I do dot have a non metal rifle bbl - but I know they exist (carbon fiber and ceramics)
Call me a purist.
Plus I hate Chevy - not because Chevy necessarily is evil but because it's ubiquitous and omnipresent and has to many die had adherents already...
Glock is in this category - to many posers and fan boys and cognoscenti losers who think they must grok Glock to be tacticool.
i won Illinois, Missouri, Indiana and the midwest regionals 2x with a g34 as a master, no poser here
If you give me a Glock (not a .380 or .40 s&w) I would use it
Plus let's not even discuss the .45 GAP cartridge
There is in my eye a social stigma attached unless I already have a deep respect and non man love for you
How's that???
You asked.
Mike
the current world champion bob vogel has won
IPSC World Champion (Production)
IDPA World Champion (Stock Pistol)
4x USPSA National Champion (Production & Limited 10)
6x IDPA National Champion (Stock, Enhanced, Custom)
6x IDPA Indoor National Champion (Stock & Enhanced)
IPSC National Champion (Production)
3x Pro-Am Professional Champion (Limited & Open)
3x IDPA Carolina Cup Champion
6x USPSA Area Champion (Areas 5,6,8)
11x Indiana State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Ohio State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Michigan State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x IDPA Great Lakes Regional Champion
WITH A GLOCK
1911alfan...
I don't think you are a loser or a poser...
But you can't ignore the tacticool fan boy elephant in the room
Glock did for pistols what fast and furious did for tuner imports
Ruined it for everyone and for all time
Sorry if I offended you - you were not in the sight picture of my rant
One which I was invited to post
Mike
no worries here
i didn't think you even knew i was alive [:D]
In 1996, I plunked down good money for a g20 in 40 s'n'w because it was the "kat's *" with my Leo buds. Put well over 7,000 rounds through it, couldn't hit past 5 yards, so it got swapped.
I don't "hate" Golcks (which I misspell on purpose, to hack on the fanboys), it's just that without spending thousands on an overpriced squirtgun, in vain attempts to make it accurate, or usable, or something to pass down; it ain't worth the hassle.
I'll stick to firearms that shoot well, feel good, and take down in a sensible way.
I'd even buy a Smiff before I waste a cent on a Golck.
1911alfan...
I don't think you are a loser or a poser...
But you can't ignore the tacticool fan boy elephant in the room
Glock did for pistols what fast and furious did for tuner imports
Ruined it for everyone and for all time
Sorry if I offended you - you were not in the sight picture of my rant
One which I was invited to post
Mike
It is my opinion that 1911a1-fan is a top notch man even if we disagree once in a while[^]
Oh and glocks SUCK[:D]
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
I do not own a plastic pistol...
I do own a pair of nylon 66 Remington rifles...
I do own a charter arms AR-7 rifle...
I do have synthetic stocked long arms (kevlar - zytel - rubber)
Maybe it makes me a hypocrite - but a pistol should be cold steel construction of its major elements...
I have a pistol with plastic grip panels and polygonal rifling...
But the slide and frame and bbl are steel.
I do dot have a non metal rifle bbl - but I know they exist (carbon fiber and ceramics)
Call me a purist.
Plus I hate Chevy - not because Chevy necessarily is evil but because it's ubiquitous and omnipresent and has to many die had adherents already...
Glock is in this category - to many posers and fan boys and cognoscenti losers who think they must grok Glock to be tacticool.
i won Illinois, Missouri, Indiana and the midwest regionals 2x with a g34 as a master, no poser here
If you give me a Glock (not a .380 or .40 s&w) I would use it
Plus let's not even discuss the .45 GAP cartridge
There is in my eye a social stigma attached unless I already have a deep respect and non man love for you
How's that???
You asked.
Mike
the current world champion bob vogel has won
IPSC World Champion (Production)
IDPA World Champion (Stock Pistol)
4x USPSA National Champion (Production & Limited 10)
6x IDPA National Champion (Stock, Enhanced, Custom)
6x IDPA Indoor National Champion (Stock & Enhanced)
IPSC National Champion (Production)
3x Pro-Am Professional Champion (Limited & Open)
3x IDPA Carolina Cup Champion
6x USPSA Area Champion (Areas 5,6,8)
11x Indiana State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Ohio State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Michigan State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x IDPA Great Lakes Regional Champion
WITH A GLOCK
Guarantee it's not a stock, off the shelf GLOKE! How much money did he have to put into it to make it shoot like that?
Points to the Glocks name success...
1) It's a decent gun for little money
2) Got nationwide exposure from the Lubys, Waco shooting. This is unfortunate but true. At that time most were unsure about this "newish" Glock name. Now it had free morbid advertising nationwide.
3) Marketing. Dedicated tables at every major gun show nationwide.
4) Hollywood
I shoot and handle Glocks as well as any other handgun. The only reason I don't own one is that everyone else has one. If I want to shoot one all I have to do is look to my left or look to my right and simply ask If I can fire theirs.
In my simple mind I'd wager to bet 90% of Glock purchases from "individuals" are from the hype they receive from Hollywood and user of the like while 10% are from genuine knowledgeable handgun users.