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Glocks are like every other tool. Some like them, some don't. Whatever the reason doesn't matter. What irks some is no bother to others.
I didn't especially like the first Glock I had, a Gen 3 27. But when the Gen 4 came out I found I liked it much better. It fit my hand comfortably, without the finger grooves. So I made my new G19 into what I wanted. Better springs, trigger, and take down latch. Strange, almost the same things I did to my Sigs, and 1911s.
I like the simple Glock design that allows easy take down and maintenance. I like the way it feels in my hand now. I like the way it shoots, and never jams.
And going further, I installed a Cominolli safety. Since I got the LEO price (Blue Label) on the G19, I do not feel like I over spent to make it right for me.
Shoot one first if you can though, you may like it just the way it is. That's OK too.
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
I do not own a plastic pistol...
I do own a pair of nylon 66 Remington rifles...
I do own a charter arms AR-7 rifle...
I do have synthetic stocked long arms (kevlar - zytel - rubber)
Maybe it makes me a hypocrite - but a pistol should be cold steel construction of its major elements...
I have a pistol with plastic grip panels and polygonal rifling...
But the slide and frame and bbl are steel.
I do dot have a non metal rifle bbl - but I know they exist (carbon fiber and ceramics)
Call me a purist.
Plus I hate Chevy - not because Chevy necessarily is evil but because it's ubiquitous and omnipresent and has to many die had adherents already...
Glock is in this category - to many posers and fan boys and cognoscenti losers who think they must grok Glock to be tacticool.
i won Illinois, Missouri, Indiana and the midwest regionals 2x with a g34 as a master, no poser here
If you give me a Glock (not a .380 or .40 s&w) I would use it
Plus let's not even discuss the .45 GAP cartridge
There is in my eye a social stigma attached unless I already have a deep respect and non man love for you
How's that???
You asked.
Mike
the current world champion bob vogel has won
IPSC World Champion (Production)
IDPA World Champion (Stock Pistol)
4x USPSA National Champion (Production & Limited 10)
6x IDPA National Champion (Stock, Enhanced, Custom)
6x IDPA Indoor National Champion (Stock & Enhanced)
IPSC National Champion (Production)
3x Pro-Am Professional Champion (Limited & Open)
3x IDPA Carolina Cup Champion
6x USPSA Area Champion (Areas 5,6,8)
11x Indiana State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Ohio State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Michigan State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x IDPA Great Lakes Regional Champion
WITH A GLOCK
Guarantee it's not a stock, off the shelf GLOKE! How much money did he have to put into it to make it shoot like that?
well if you knew the rules, in idpa he shoots SSP {stock service pistol}, the only modifications you can make are the barrel, trigger and sights {iron only}
hence the words (Stock Pistol)(Production)
ESP enhanced service pistol only allows a cosmetic change, and there are restrictions, all it takes is a grip plug and you changed a glock form SSP TO ESP
ipsc open is different, it allows a comp, and red dot, limited does not
here is my SSP "GLOKE" as you call it
factory barrel, factory rear sight, factory trigger, only mods are a fiber optic front sight, and a ghost disconnect which are all on my carry guns too
but however you want to twist it, all competitors are allowed the same rules and equipment , and btw it is open to the public if you want to try
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
i see it the other way around, you cannot have a decent glock thread without someone spewing hatred
do a search on the subject, its worse than a thread on jesus, btw not many threads directed towards haters
i dont care who likes or dislikes any firearm, i do care about inaccurate information as much as clips/magazines silencers/suppressors
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
no i did not, i stated that is what was allowed in the rules I DID NOT SAY THATS WHAT HE HAS DONE, as you implied much more needed to be done
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
no i did not, i stated that is what was allowed in the rules I DID NOT SAY THATS WHAT HE HAS DONE, as you implied much more needed to be done
quote:Originally posted by DirtyDawg
If you want a pistol that you can trust your life with, that will shoot when it is dirty, shoot when it is 5F outside, shoot with consistency for 100's of thousands of rounds, then get a Sig. It has the perfect grip angle which forces you to lock your wrist out when aiming for consistency, has an easy mag and slide release, and, if you own multiple caliber Sigs, all your "trigger pulls" can be the same for consistency and operation. But hey, who would want that?
Fixed it [:D]
See if you meant to talk Glocks you should have included if you want a pistol that will kill you when you do a disassembly without doing what your told then you buy a Glock [}:)]
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
[^]I couldn't bring my self around to go over and post on the lovers thread, it just didn't feel right.[|)]
So my ?? remains unanswered, why are lovers posting so ardently on our haters thread ? I have a few ideas but would rather hear a more logical reason.[;)]
glock sucks.[xx(]
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
no i did not, i stated that is what was allowed in the rules I DID NOT SAY THATS WHAT HE HAS DONE, as you implied much more needed to be done
I always hated the glocks, because they seemed so cheap. Then I shot one. It felt great in my hands and it function perfectly. I really liked it. I don't yet own one, bought a Kimber instead, but would have no problem owning one. It was probably the best fit for my hands, then any other semi auto I have ever shot. Really, it comes down to personal preference and everything we say, means nothing. It is what you think of the gun and how it performs for you. Love them or hate them, they work flawlessly. That is more then I can say for my Kimber. Oakie
Glocks are good Guns. They just don't fit my hand well as they are very wide. I think they look ugly as well. But they do run like the energizer bunny and are plenty accurate.
Not a GLOCK hater, but since you want to know, I will whip it on ya.
Have had a few over the years, I REALLY tried.
But they do not have a "natural point of aim" FOR ME.
I can not be competitive if I have to adjust every shot.
Have lots of friends that shoot them VERY well.
Is there something inherently wrong with Glock ?
considering is been around since 1980 I believe,
and we still see pro/anti Glock arguments all over
net almost on daily basis, if Glock is so perfect why
is it the number one hand gun on accidental shootings.
Glock just settle on another law suit for the accidental
shooting of an off duty police officer in LA for undisclosed
amount, it seems Glok's accidental discharges are never ending.
In may opinion Gaston Glock invented the
permanent negligent discharge.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
I've never understood the Glock hate. It's a gun. Sure, I like some guns better than others, but I can't imagine hating one. I just don't have time for that sort of nonsense in my life. I guess some folks have a lot of pent up anger.[:I]
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I've never understood the Glock hate. It's a gun. Sure, I like some guns better than others, but I can't imagine hating one. I just don't have time for that sort of nonsense in my life. I guess some folks have a lot of pent up anger.[:I]
Well, 99.5% of it's not hate, but you know this forum. If one is not 258% fanatically, rabidly, frothing at the mouth for something, then they are "haters". Just remember the recent election.....
Why call it hate ? a bunch of us simply think a plastic gun with no safety no hammer and a horrible track record of failure and accidental shootings is simply a piece of crap, that many would never care to own, but go a head call it hate if it makes you feel better.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Why call it hate ? a bunch of us simply think a plastic gun with no safety no hammer and a horrible track record of failure and accidental shootings is simply a piece of crap, that many would never care to own, but go a head call it hate if it makes you feel better.
Which of course excludes the Glock models explicitly. Are you on the right thread???
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Why call it hate ? a bunch of us simply think a plastic gun with no safety no hammer and a horrible track record of failure and accidental shootings is simply a piece of crap, that many would never care to own, but go a head call it hate if it makes you feel better.
Unaware of he horrible track record of failure with the Glock. I have shot one (have no idea what model), but do not and will not own one. Did not like the feel of it, and would not be comfortable carrying one.
I like a manual safety (at a minimum) between a piece of lead going 1000 fps and my buttocks.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
I don't hate Glocks, but not a fan either. But I do realize that it has its place. I just recently bought one simply because I realized that it's the AK of the pistol world. I'm tired of cleaning my guns all the time, so I bought the g17 so I can get trigger time and not have to clean the damn thing all the time. I plan to wipe it once a month and clean it once a year and spend more time shooting. So that's the positive.
On the negative side, my stock, out of the box g17 is horrendous. It has a 7# trigger that forces my shots to the left. Before the peanut gallery chimes in about the shooter not being good, and blah blah, I can hold my own very well in bullseye, thank you very much. The physics of the movement of your finger combined with the heavy, gritty trigger makes an accurate string of shots nearly impossible. So I'll spend another $25 and a couple of hours of my time and improve the trigger.
Next is the fit of the gun. The barrel doesn't lock into the slide very well. That is one of those neutral points. Sure, it's a killer of accuracy, but that's also why I don't have to clean the damn thing so often. I can overlook this once the trigger is redone and I can get decent trigger practice out of it.
As for perfection, hardly. Not anywhere close to perfection. Perfection implies that it will satisfy everyone, for every purpose, all of the time without any modification. Then again, no gun meets these criteria, but they don't claim perfection as does Glock.
As for the plastic, I really don't care if it's made out of a used tampon tube as long it's reliable and functional. With some minor tweaks, it will meet these criteria.
As for comfort, the gen 4 provides several options to get it close to a comfortable feel, so I think they've done a decent job with that.
So, I do hate the trigger on the glock, but it can be fixed. As for accuracy, it's a trade-off against reliability.
Once again "Gaston Glock inventor of the permanent negligent discharge"
And I don't hate it, I just think it's a piece of crap.
Google it yourselves I'm tired of posting the links with all
pertinent info for you lovers to ignore them, and turn around
with pointless lacking arguments. "GOOGLE IT"
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Denial is not a river !!
# 1 in catastrophic failures
# 1 in accidental discharges
Once again "Gaston Glock inventor of the permanent negligent discharge"
And I don't hate it, I just think it's a piece of crap.
Google it yourselves I'm tired of posting the links with all
pertinent info for you lovers to ignore them, and turn around
with pointless lacking arguments. "GOOGLE IT"
Is perhaps Glock's near universal usage and widespread popularity the reason that Glock is #1 in catastrophic failures and #1 in accidental discharges?
Is assuming--as you seem to--that catastrophic failures and accidental discharges are a result of poor pistol design logical? If I cram as much powder as I possibly can into each case while handloading cartridges and if my Glock blows up, is that from poor design, or poor use?
I think you're making a lot of assumptions and are saying this issue is much simpler than it really is.
And I can't find--granted, I only searched for a couple minutes--reliable, valid information on the net that shows that the Glock design is leading to pistols blowing up and rampant accidental discharges.
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I've never understood the Glock hate. It's a gun. Sure, I like some guns better than others, but I can't imagine hating one. I just don't have time for that sort of nonsense in my life. I guess some folks have a lot of pent up anger.[:I]
Well, 99.5% of it's not hate, but you know this forum. If one is not 258% fanatically, rabidly, frothing at the mouth for something, then they are "haters". Just remember the recent election.....
Well, maybe the hate I refer to is only about .5%. But there certainly is an element of the true hate here on this forum. Take the nonsensical post directly below yours as a prime example of how it boils up to the surface. And maybe it isn't hate, maybe it's just trolling. Either way, it's hard to understand.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
Yes, police departments have paid out settlements for accidental shootings involving Glocks, but back when cops carried Smith revolvers they paid out settlements for people accidentally shot with those Smith revolvers.
The Glock trigger is much lighter than the double action trigger pull on the old Smith revolvers. If cops were issued revolvers with long, 18 pound trigger pulls and concealed hammers so they couldn't fire the guns single action, then probably the number of accidental shootings would decrease. Then again, so too probably would the accuracy of cop shooting, and the number of police killed would probably increase, but reloading a revolver in the middle of a gun fight is a very hard thing to do and the cop would only have 6 shots instead of 17.
The Glock's success is refutation of the majority of your arguments. Firearms are not hard to understand and the market is full of them. All the countries and police forces and military units who have adopted Glocks, they all are full of smart folks who have weighed all the options and have gone with Glock. Yes, Glock has a good marketing team and cuts some deals here and there, but so do the other guys. Glock has been so successful because it's a good design that works well.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
Yes, police departments have paid out settlements for accidental shootings involving Glocks, but back when cops carried Smith revolvers they paid out settlements for people accidentally shot with those Smith revolvers.
The Glock trigger is much lighter than the double action trigger pull on the old Smith revolvers. If cops were issued revolvers with long, 18 pound trigger pulls and concealed hammers so they couldn't fire the guns single action, then probably the number of accidental shootings would decrease. Then again, so too probably would the accuracy of cop shooting, and the number of police killed would probably increase, but reloading a revolver in the middle of a gun fight is a very hard thing to do and the cop would only have 6 shots instead of 17.
The Glock's success is refutation of the majority of your arguments. Firearms are not hard to understand and the market is full of them. All the countries and police forces and military units who have adopted Glocks, they all are full of smart folks who have weighed all the options and have gone with Glock. Yes, Glock has a good marketing team and cuts some deals here and there, but so do the other guys. Glock has been so successful because it's a good design that works well.
Bear in mind the great majority of lawsuit settlements were against and awarded by Glock it self not Police, and they keep coming please see link below, and I thank you for a civil argument. PS not you but I have to start ignoring butt hurt lovers, everything I posted here makes perfect sense, I have no idea why some get so offended I couldn't care less if someone criticized my Beretta collection[8D]
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
Dang Dan, seriously I swear my heart started racing an was ready to grab a hammer and squash my left nut !! until I read {not you gil} figure of speech of course but I was feeling real bad until the end read.
That has happened to me here a few times, and my real problem is I remember for a while and tend to lash out when they least expect, I have to work on that and let it slide off me.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by austin20
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
Yes, police departments have paid out settlements for accidental shootings involving Glocks, but back when cops carried Smith revolvers they paid out settlements for people accidentally shot with those Smith revolvers.
The Glock trigger is much lighter than the double action trigger pull on the old Smith revolvers. If cops were issued revolvers with long, 18 pound trigger pulls and concealed hammers so they couldn't fire the guns single action, then probably the number of accidental shootings would decrease. Then again, so too probably would the accuracy of cop shooting, and the number of police killed would probably increase, but reloading a revolver in the middle of a gun fight is a very hard thing to do and the cop would only have 6 shots instead of 17.
The Glock's success is refutation of the majority of your arguments. Firearms are not hard to understand and the market is full of them. All the countries and police forces and military units who have adopted Glocks, they all are full of smart folks who have weighed all the options and have gone with Glock. Yes, Glock has a good marketing team and cuts some deals here and there, but so do the other guys. Glock has been so successful because it's a good design that works well.
Bear in mind the great majority of lawsuit settlements were against and awarded by Glock it self not Police, and they keep coming please see link below, and I thank you for a civil argument. PS not you but I have to start ignoring butt hurt lovers, everything I posted here makes perfect sense, I have no idea why some get so offended I couldn't care less if someone criticized my Beretta collection[8D]
https://www.google.com/#q=glock+lawsuit
Only two accidental discharge cases in the first 5 pages from your link. Chavez in Los Angeles and Jones in Arkansas. Most if the articles were about the lawsuit between Glock and his ex wife
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
Dang Dan, seriously I swear my heart started racing an was ready to grab a hammer and squash my left nut !! until I read {not you gil} figure of speech of course but I was feeling real bad until the end read.
That has happened to me here a few times, and my real problem is I remember for a while and tend to lash out when they least expect, I have to work on that and let it slide off me.
well dont let me stop you, take your pick [:D][:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
Dang Dan, seriously I swear my heart started racing an was ready to grab a hammer and squash my left nut !! until I read {not you gil} figure of speech of course but I was feeling real bad until the end read.
That has happened to me here a few times, and my real problem is I remember for a while and tend to lash out when they least expect, I have to work on that and let it slide off me.
well dont let me stop you, take your pick [:D][:D][:D]
You cracked me up [:D][:D][:D]
Ps That is not a bad looking piece at all the nicest I ever saw with the red letters and cool sight and grip butt. I'm thinking a piece like that one might get me over to the dark side, no I mean the plastic side.[8D] PS what model is that one??
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
I had not seen these before, not paying attention to the brand I guess. The custom extras make a huge difference in the appearance and appeal of the piece.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
Just back from the auction side, saw some wicked looking ZEV's over there, a little pricey but the cool custom appearance factor is huge compared to a regular piece.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
Just back from the auction side, saw some wicked looking ZEV's over there, a little pricey but the cool custom appearance factor is huge compared to a regular piece.
i purchased just a frame from the auction side, will buy just the slide, barrel, magwell, mag release from them, and cut the price by a third
they want 165 for a silicone carbide grip job, i have 5 dollars in the materials, the also offer grip reduction, cut off finger grooves etc
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
Just back from the auction side, saw some wicked looking ZEV's over there, a little pricey but the cool custom appearance factor is huge compared to a regular piece.
i purchased just a frame from the auction side, will buy just the slide, barrel, magwell, mag release from them, and cut the price by a third
they want 165 for a silicone carbide grip job, i have 5 dollars in the materials, the also offer grip reduction, cut off finger grooves etc
I saved the link, very interesting you can do this with the Glock, the custom stuff makes the gun look so much more appealing, for me this opens a whole new can of worms. I find the dragon fly slit and dimple barrel particularly attractive and very cool. Please post pic when you finish it. My main gripe with the brand is was how ugly they are out of the box.
We have to fight so we can run away.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Comments
I didn't especially like the first Glock I had, a Gen 3 27. But when the Gen 4 came out I found I liked it much better. It fit my hand comfortably, without the finger grooves. So I made my new G19 into what I wanted. Better springs, trigger, and take down latch. Strange, almost the same things I did to my Sigs, and 1911s.
I like the simple Glock design that allows easy take down and maintenance. I like the way it feels in my hand now. I like the way it shoots, and never jams.
And going further, I installed a Cominolli safety. Since I got the LEO price (Blue Label) on the G19, I do not feel like I over spent to make it right for me.
Shoot one first if you can though, you may like it just the way it is. That's OK too.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
I do not own a plastic pistol...
I do own a pair of nylon 66 Remington rifles...
I do own a charter arms AR-7 rifle...
I do have synthetic stocked long arms (kevlar - zytel - rubber)
Maybe it makes me a hypocrite - but a pistol should be cold steel construction of its major elements...
I have a pistol with plastic grip panels and polygonal rifling...
But the slide and frame and bbl are steel.
I do dot have a non metal rifle bbl - but I know they exist (carbon fiber and ceramics)
Call me a purist.
Plus I hate Chevy - not because Chevy necessarily is evil but because it's ubiquitous and omnipresent and has to many die had adherents already...
Glock is in this category - to many posers and fan boys and cognoscenti losers who think they must grok Glock to be tacticool.
i won Illinois, Missouri, Indiana and the midwest regionals 2x with a g34 as a master, no poser here
If you give me a Glock (not a .380 or .40 s&w) I would use it
Plus let's not even discuss the .45 GAP cartridge
There is in my eye a social stigma attached unless I already have a deep respect and non man love for you
How's that???
You asked.
Mike
the current world champion bob vogel has won
IPSC World Champion (Production)
IDPA World Champion (Stock Pistol)
4x USPSA National Champion (Production & Limited 10)
6x IDPA National Champion (Stock, Enhanced, Custom)
6x IDPA Indoor National Champion (Stock & Enhanced)
IPSC National Champion (Production)
3x Pro-Am Professional Champion (Limited & Open)
3x IDPA Carolina Cup Champion
6x USPSA Area Champion (Areas 5,6,8)
11x Indiana State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Ohio State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x Michigan State Champion (USPSA & IDPA)
7x IDPA Great Lakes Regional Champion
WITH A GLOCK
Guarantee it's not a stock, off the shelf GLOKE! How much money did he have to put into it to make it shoot like that?
well if you knew the rules, in idpa he shoots SSP {stock service pistol}, the only modifications you can make are the barrel, trigger and sights {iron only}
hence the words (Stock Pistol)(Production)
ESP enhanced service pistol only allows a cosmetic change, and there are restrictions, all it takes is a grip plug and you changed a glock form SSP TO ESP
ipsc open is different, it allows a comp, and red dot, limited does not
here is my SSP "GLOKE" as you call it
factory barrel, factory rear sight, factory trigger, only mods are a fiber optic front sight, and a ghost disconnect which are all on my carry guns too
but however you want to twist it, all competitors are allowed the same rules and equipment , and btw it is open to the public if you want to try
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
i see it the other way around, you cannot have a decent glock thread without someone spewing hatred
do a search on the subject, its worse than a thread on jesus, btw not many threads directed towards haters
i dont care who likes or dislikes any firearm, i do care about inaccurate information as much as clips/magazines silencers/suppressors
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
no i did not, i stated that is what was allowed in the rules I DID NOT SAY THATS WHAT HE HAS DONE, as you implied much more needed to be done
most dont change barrels
trigger job = 20.00 {connecter 15.00 springs 5.00}
front sight is optional, most add a fiber optic that cost 30.00, but has zero to do with function of the gun
and yes i polished the trigger, have never denied it, all part of the 20.00 trigger job
edit: i also throated and polished the barrels on my 1911's as most do, as well as changed the sights, and stocks as most do
i also changed the sights on my Beretta, as well as the trigger spring
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
no i did not, i stated that is what was allowed in the rules I DID NOT SAY THATS WHAT HE HAS DONE, as you implied much more needed to be done
most dont change barrels
trigger job = 20.00 {connecter 15.00 springs 5.00}
front sight is optional, most add a fiber optic that cost 30.00, but has zero to do with function of the gun
and yes i polished the trigger, have never denied it, all part of the 20.00 trigger job
edit: i also throated and polished the barrels on my 1911's as most do, as well as changed the sights, and stocks as most do
i also changed the sights on my Beretta, as well as the trigger spring
So really, then, the GLOKE is no better stock than the 1911 or Beretta? They all require some tweaking?
Yet the 1911 and Beretta never claimed to be "perfection".
Remember, this is the GLOKE haters thread. You don't like it? Go to the GLOKE lovers thread.
If you want a pistol that you can trust your life with, that will shoot when it is dirty, shoot when it is 5F outside, shoot with consistency for 100's of thousands of rounds, then get a Sig. It has the perfect grip angle which forces you to lock your wrist out when aiming for consistency, has an easy mag and slide release, and, if you own multiple caliber Sigs, all your "trigger pulls" can be the same for consistency and operation. But hey, who would want that?
Fixed it [:D]
See if you meant to talk Glocks you should have included if you want a pistol that will kill you when you do a disassembly without doing what your told then you buy a Glock [}:)]
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
So my ?? remains unanswered, why are lovers posting so ardently on our haters thread ? I have a few ideas but would rather hear a more logical reason.[;)]
glock sucks.[xx(]
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
quote:Originally posted by Navybat
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Hows come there are so many lovers on this "haters" thread? That's one reason some people just don't like Glocks, or ARs for that matter. The lovers are just gonna force their BS on you, and MAKE you "see the light" How come that is? That turns a lot of people against a product.
That's true. I didn't post on the "lovers" thread. GLOKE lovers just can't admit that someone can take ANY pistol and learn to shoot well with it. But that doesn't make it "perfection".
And 1911A1 fan made my point...
He stated that the "champion" did NOTHING to his weapon...except:
Trigger
Barrel
Sights
Exactly what I don't like about the GLOKE...the trigger! And the sights! Have to admit, once you don't like the pistol, the barrel becomes irrelevant.
Even on his own pistol he changed the front sight and the disconnect...and my guess is he polished up the trigger, too, but is not admitting it.
No matter what, FAR from "perfection".
no i did not, i stated that is what was allowed in the rules I DID NOT SAY THATS WHAT HE HAS DONE, as you implied much more needed to be done
most dont change barrels
trigger job = 20.00 {connecter 15.00 springs 5.00}
front sight is optional, most add a fiber optic that cost 30.00, but has zero to do with function of the gun
and yes i polished the trigger, have never denied it, all part of the 20.00 trigger job
edit: i also throated and polished the barrels on my 1911's as most do, as well as changed the sights, and stocks as most do
i also changed the sights on my Beretta, as well as the trigger spring
So really, then, the GLOKE is no better stock than the 1911 or Beretta? They all require some tweaking?
Yet the 1911 and Beretta never claimed to be "perfection".
Remember, this is the GLOKE haters thread. You don't like it? Go to the GLOKE lovers thread.
Why all the hate and negativity, Moriarity? Sheesh!
Have had a few over the years, I REALLY tried.
But they do not have a "natural point of aim" FOR ME.
I can not be competitive if I have to adjust every shot.
Have lots of friends that shoot them VERY well.
Is there something inherently wrong with Glock ?
considering is been around since 1980 I believe,
and we still see pro/anti Glock arguments all over
net almost on daily basis, if Glock is so perfect why
is it the number one hand gun on accidental shootings.
Glock just settle on another law suit for the accidental
shooting of an off duty police officer in LA for undisclosed
amount, it seems Glok's accidental discharges are never ending.
In may opinion Gaston Glock invented the
permanent negligent discharge.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
If you want a Glock, buy a Glock.
Statistics show that Hilary supporters favored Glocks over 1911s by a 5:1 margin.
Brad Steele
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I've never understood the Glock hate. It's a gun. Sure, I like some guns better than others, but I can't imagine hating one. I just don't have time for that sort of nonsense in my life. I guess some folks have a lot of pent up anger.[:I]
Well, 99.5% of it's not hate, but you know this forum. If one is not 258% fanatically, rabidly, frothing at the mouth for something, then they are "haters". Just remember the recent election.....
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Why call it hate ? a bunch of us simply think a plastic gun with no safety no hammer and a horrible track record of failure and accidental shootings is simply a piece of crap, that many would never care to own, but go a head call it hate if it makes you feel better.
Which of course excludes the Glock models explicitly. Are you on the right thread???
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Why call it hate ? a bunch of us simply think a plastic gun with no safety no hammer and a horrible track record of failure and accidental shootings is simply a piece of crap, that many would never care to own, but go a head call it hate if it makes you feel better.
Unaware of he horrible track record of failure with the Glock. I have shot one (have no idea what model), but do not and will not own one. Did not like the feel of it, and would not be comfortable carrying one.
I like a manual safety (at a minimum) between a piece of lead going 1000 fps and my buttocks.
Brad Steele
On the negative side, my stock, out of the box g17 is horrendous. It has a 7# trigger that forces my shots to the left. Before the peanut gallery chimes in about the shooter not being good, and blah blah, I can hold my own very well in bullseye, thank you very much. The physics of the movement of your finger combined with the heavy, gritty trigger makes an accurate string of shots nearly impossible. So I'll spend another $25 and a couple of hours of my time and improve the trigger.
Next is the fit of the gun. The barrel doesn't lock into the slide very well. That is one of those neutral points. Sure, it's a killer of accuracy, but that's also why I don't have to clean the damn thing so often. I can overlook this once the trigger is redone and I can get decent trigger practice out of it.
As for perfection, hardly. Not anywhere close to perfection. Perfection implies that it will satisfy everyone, for every purpose, all of the time without any modification. Then again, no gun meets these criteria, but they don't claim perfection as does Glock.
As for the plastic, I really don't care if it's made out of a used tampon tube as long it's reliable and functional. With some minor tweaks, it will meet these criteria.
As for comfort, the gen 4 provides several options to get it close to a comfortable feel, so I think they've done a decent job with that.
So, I do hate the trigger on the glock, but it can be fixed. As for accuracy, it's a trade-off against reliability.
# 1 in catastrophic failures
# 1 in accidental discharges
Once again "Gaston Glock inventor of the permanent negligent discharge"
And I don't hate it, I just think it's a piece of crap.
Google it yourselves I'm tired of posting the links with all
pertinent info for you lovers to ignore them, and turn around
with pointless lacking arguments. "GOOGLE IT"
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
Denial is not a river !!
# 1 in catastrophic failures
# 1 in accidental discharges
Once again "Gaston Glock inventor of the permanent negligent discharge"
And I don't hate it, I just think it's a piece of crap.
Google it yourselves I'm tired of posting the links with all
pertinent info for you lovers to ignore them, and turn around
with pointless lacking arguments. "GOOGLE IT"
Is perhaps Glock's near universal usage and widespread popularity the reason that Glock is #1 in catastrophic failures and #1 in accidental discharges?
Is assuming--as you seem to--that catastrophic failures and accidental discharges are a result of poor pistol design logical? If I cram as much powder as I possibly can into each case while handloading cartridges and if my Glock blows up, is that from poor design, or poor use?
I think you're making a lot of assumptions and are saying this issue is much simpler than it really is.
And I can't find--granted, I only searched for a couple minutes--reliable, valid information on the net that shows that the Glock design is leading to pistols blowing up and rampant accidental discharges.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
I've never understood the Glock hate. It's a gun. Sure, I like some guns better than others, but I can't imagine hating one. I just don't have time for that sort of nonsense in my life. I guess some folks have a lot of pent up anger.[:I]
Well, 99.5% of it's not hate, but you know this forum. If one is not 258% fanatically, rabidly, frothing at the mouth for something, then they are "haters". Just remember the recent election.....
Well, maybe the hate I refer to is only about .5%. But there certainly is an element of the true hate here on this forum. Take the nonsensical post directly below yours as a prime example of how it boils up to the surface. And maybe it isn't hate, maybe it's just trolling. Either way, it's hard to understand.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
Yes, police departments have paid out settlements for accidental shootings involving Glocks, but back when cops carried Smith revolvers they paid out settlements for people accidentally shot with those Smith revolvers.
The Glock trigger is much lighter than the double action trigger pull on the old Smith revolvers. If cops were issued revolvers with long, 18 pound trigger pulls and concealed hammers so they couldn't fire the guns single action, then probably the number of accidental shootings would decrease. Then again, so too probably would the accuracy of cop shooting, and the number of police killed would probably increase, but reloading a revolver in the middle of a gun fight is a very hard thing to do and the cop would only have 6 shots instead of 17.
The Glock's success is refutation of the majority of your arguments. Firearms are not hard to understand and the market is full of them. All the countries and police forces and military units who have adopted Glocks, they all are full of smart folks who have weighed all the options and have gone with Glock. Yes, Glock has a good marketing team and cuts some deals here and there, but so do the other guys. Glock has been so successful because it's a good design that works well.
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
Yes, police departments have paid out settlements for accidental shootings involving Glocks, but back when cops carried Smith revolvers they paid out settlements for people accidentally shot with those Smith revolvers.
The Glock trigger is much lighter than the double action trigger pull on the old Smith revolvers. If cops were issued revolvers with long, 18 pound trigger pulls and concealed hammers so they couldn't fire the guns single action, then probably the number of accidental shootings would decrease. Then again, so too probably would the accuracy of cop shooting, and the number of police killed would probably increase, but reloading a revolver in the middle of a gun fight is a very hard thing to do and the cop would only have 6 shots instead of 17.
The Glock's success is refutation of the majority of your arguments. Firearms are not hard to understand and the market is full of them. All the countries and police forces and military units who have adopted Glocks, they all are full of smart folks who have weighed all the options and have gone with Glock. Yes, Glock has a good marketing team and cuts some deals here and there, but so do the other guys. Glock has been so successful because it's a good design that works well.
Bear in mind the great majority of lawsuit settlements were against and awarded by Glock it self not Police, and they keep coming please see link below, and I thank you for a civil argument. PS not you but I have to start ignoring butt hurt lovers, everything I posted here makes perfect sense, I have no idea why some get so offended I couldn't care less if someone criticized my Beretta collection[8D]
https://www.google.com/#q=glock+lawsuit
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
Dang Dan, seriously I swear my heart started racing an was ready to grab a hammer and squash my left nut !! until I read {not you gil} figure of speech of course but I was feeling real bad until the end read.
That has happened to me here a few times, and my real problem is I remember for a while and tend to lash out when they least expect, I have to work on that and let it slide off me.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
There is a plethora of info on the subject ranging from countless law suit settlements, accidental discharges with many shootings and the exploding thing, you can see actual videos of the latter in YouTube.
Yes, police departments have paid out settlements for accidental shootings involving Glocks, but back when cops carried Smith revolvers they paid out settlements for people accidentally shot with those Smith revolvers.
The Glock trigger is much lighter than the double action trigger pull on the old Smith revolvers. If cops were issued revolvers with long, 18 pound trigger pulls and concealed hammers so they couldn't fire the guns single action, then probably the number of accidental shootings would decrease. Then again, so too probably would the accuracy of cop shooting, and the number of police killed would probably increase, but reloading a revolver in the middle of a gun fight is a very hard thing to do and the cop would only have 6 shots instead of 17.
The Glock's success is refutation of the majority of your arguments. Firearms are not hard to understand and the market is full of them. All the countries and police forces and military units who have adopted Glocks, they all are full of smart folks who have weighed all the options and have gone with Glock. Yes, Glock has a good marketing team and cuts some deals here and there, but so do the other guys. Glock has been so successful because it's a good design that works well.
Bear in mind the great majority of lawsuit settlements were against and awarded by Glock it self not Police, and they keep coming please see link below, and I thank you for a civil argument. PS not you but I have to start ignoring butt hurt lovers, everything I posted here makes perfect sense, I have no idea why some get so offended I couldn't care less if someone criticized my Beretta collection[8D]
https://www.google.com/#q=glock+lawsuit
Only two accidental discharge cases in the first 5 pages from your link. Chavez in Los Angeles and Jones in Arkansas. Most if the articles were about the lawsuit between Glock and his ex wife
Try this one, slightly modified plurality search.
https://www.google.com/#q=glock+lawsuits
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
Dang Dan, seriously I swear my heart started racing an was ready to grab a hammer and squash my left nut !! until I read {not you gil} figure of speech of course but I was feeling real bad until the end read.
That has happened to me here a few times, and my real problem is I remember for a while and tend to lash out when they least expect, I have to work on that and let it slide off me.
well dont let me stop you, take your pick [:D][:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
no butt hurt here, i know how to agree to disagree
how ever i did not appreciate being followed from thread to thread, post to post being mocked, my post being taken out of text and twisted
{not you gil}
and for those in the last few post, this a glock haters thread, you didnt get the memo your not supposed to post here [;)]
Dang Dan, seriously I swear my heart started racing an was ready to grab a hammer and squash my left nut !! until I read {not you gil} figure of speech of course but I was feeling real bad until the end read.
That has happened to me here a few times, and my real problem is I remember for a while and tend to lash out when they least expect, I have to work on that and let it slide off me.
well dont let me stop you, take your pick [:D][:D][:D]
You cracked me up [:D][:D][:D]
Ps That is not a bad looking piece at all the nicest I ever saw with the red letters and cool sight and grip butt. I'm thinking a piece like that one might get me over to the dark side, no I mean the plastic side.[8D] PS what model is that one??
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
i am currently building one with a zev dragonfly slid, zev dimple barrel {threaded though}
doing the black silicone carbide grip next weekend not that ugly stipling
these are stock photos, to big to post, but you get the picture
http://i.imgur.com/O2VKQrz.jpg
http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/14723/ZEV-OT.jpg
that is a zev g34
i am currently building one with a zev dragonfly slid, zev dimple barrel {threaded though}
doing the black silicone carbide grip next weekend not that ugly stipling
these are stock photos, to big to post, but you get the picture
http://i.imgur.com/O2VKQrz.jpg
http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/14723/ZEV-OT.jpg
I had not seen these before, not paying attention to the brand I guess. The custom extras make a huge difference in the appearance and appeal of the piece.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
Just back from the auction side, saw some wicked looking ZEV's over there, a little pricey but the cool custom appearance factor is huge compared to a regular piece.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
Just back from the auction side, saw some wicked looking ZEV's over there, a little pricey but the cool custom appearance factor is huge compared to a regular piece.
i purchased just a frame from the auction side, will buy just the slide, barrel, magwell, mag release from them, and cut the price by a third
they want 165 for a silicone carbide grip job, i have 5 dollars in the materials, the also offer grip reduction, cut off finger grooves etc
http://www.zevtechnologies.com/
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
you should feel the custom trigger, feels like the single action on a Beretta, just a bit longer but just as smooth, could go lighter but im not comfortable with that, i stick at 3.5 pounds
the reset is right there length wise , almost ridiculous
Just back from the auction side, saw some wicked looking ZEV's over there, a little pricey but the cool custom appearance factor is huge compared to a regular piece.
i purchased just a frame from the auction side, will buy just the slide, barrel, magwell, mag release from them, and cut the price by a third
they want 165 for a silicone carbide grip job, i have 5 dollars in the materials, the also offer grip reduction, cut off finger grooves etc
http://www.zevtechnologies.com/
I saved the link, very interesting you can do this with the Glock, the custom stuff makes the gun look so much more appealing, for me this opens a whole new can of worms. I find the dragon fly slit and dimple barrel particularly attractive and very cool. Please post pic when you finish it. My main gripe with the brand is was how ugly they are out of the box.
Capt. Jack Sparrow.