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4 Idiots Who Think Gun Rights Are Safe
tr fox
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That's right. This post is directed at those idiots who are all warm and comfy and think that their gun rights (or "privileges or any other terms you want to quibble about) are forever safe . Safe because the idiots think that just because they vote the right way, think the right way, talk and post the right way, make an occasional e-mail, letter, or phone call in support of gun rights, that by Gawd since they live in America and have the US Second Amendment that NOBODY is going to take away their guns. And if anyone ever trys, why some idots think their trigger finger is going to save their gun rights.
The above, last part, is laughable since in order to lawfully buy guns, the idiots have up until now been forced to behave as lawful citizens. But in their simple minds, the minute the fedcoats come for their guns, the idiots are going to suddenly give up their lawful ways and become Rambo and engage (and win they presume) in shoot-outs with the Fedcoats.
Oh, and don't even think about suggesting that the idiots spend a little time, money and effort supporting one of the few national pro-gun rights organizations that are working to salvage their gun rights. The idiots will tell you that those organizations and their people are just overpaid, money-grubbing, suited and slick professionals whose only mission in life is to collect as much money as they can from gun owners while doing as little as they can for gun rights.
Yet in spite of all this, the idiots cannot explain why, after decades of strong efforts to outlaw all guns, we still have guns. The reason sure isn't because of the idiots or anything they have done.
Now usually at this point, one of the idiots will counter by whining about how they are not willing to support ABC or XYZ pro-gun organization because their executives are paid too "much", or even "25 years ago organization XYZ made a mistake and I will never forgive them; or they made me mad and I will never get over it; or organization ABC isn't perfect and therefore I can't support them.
Of course I guess they are dumb enough to believe that such a bogus reason gives them the right to refuse to support ANY AND ALL other pro-gun rights organizations. There are several, and if someone doesn't like one, surely they can find and support one they do like. That is unless they are too lazy, tight and cheap.
What prompted this rant (yeah, and I'm proud of it) was a questionairre I got from the Democratic National Committee. I don't know why the fools spent their time and money sending their questionairre to my household. Everone here hates the liberal, left-wing, America hating Democrats. Course while we hate the Democrats, we do notlike the Republicians. Reason being that it appears that ALL political parties and politicans take us citizens for granted, lie to us, cheat and trick us, and steal from us as well as ignore the US Consitution.
But the Democratic questionairre revealed what will happen when the Democrats get back into power. And get back they will. The jerk Bush has made so many mistakes they almost guarantee that the Democrats are going to make a come back.
There was a particular question on the questionairre. It read "How would you characterize our gun laws in America?". There was three choices for your answer. Choice #1. "We need stronger laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and children, and to keep military-style assault weapons off our streets. Choice #2. Our gun laws are about right. We need no new gun control legislation. Choice #3. Our gun laws interfere with an individual's right to bear arms.
Can anybody see how the questions, in relation to the offered answers, is slanted? Study question #1. How could any reasonable person not chose an answer that is related to keeping guns "out of the hands of criminals and children"? He!1, even many gun owners might chose that response. And what about the "military-style assault weapons off our streets"? The majority of liberals and even many moderates support the elimination of "assault weapon" ownership. Even though the majority of American gun owners CANNOT legally buy and own a true "assault weapon"; only military "look-alikes". But that doesn't matter to the gun banners. If you gun looks like an evil "assault weapon" then it must be evil and needs to be banned.
Few middle of the road people would chose answer # 2 or #3. Because generally only active gun owners believe we have too many or just the right amount of gun laws. So, bottom line, it appears the Democrats are going to launch their next political campaign based partly on the need for more gun laws and to get your AR-15, AK-47, or maybe any semiauto that can hold more than 10 rounds or has a detachable magazine, "off the streets". So get ready to say goodby to some of your favorite guns.
Folks, political parties take your guns away. That means you yourself need to find and support your OWN organization. One that can and will try and counter such political parties. If organization ABC offends you, then try DEF, or GHI, and so on. Surely you can find one organization you can support.
The above, last part, is laughable since in order to lawfully buy guns, the idiots have up until now been forced to behave as lawful citizens. But in their simple minds, the minute the fedcoats come for their guns, the idiots are going to suddenly give up their lawful ways and become Rambo and engage (and win they presume) in shoot-outs with the Fedcoats.
Oh, and don't even think about suggesting that the idiots spend a little time, money and effort supporting one of the few national pro-gun rights organizations that are working to salvage their gun rights. The idiots will tell you that those organizations and their people are just overpaid, money-grubbing, suited and slick professionals whose only mission in life is to collect as much money as they can from gun owners while doing as little as they can for gun rights.
Yet in spite of all this, the idiots cannot explain why, after decades of strong efforts to outlaw all guns, we still have guns. The reason sure isn't because of the idiots or anything they have done.
Now usually at this point, one of the idiots will counter by whining about how they are not willing to support ABC or XYZ pro-gun organization because their executives are paid too "much", or even "25 years ago organization XYZ made a mistake and I will never forgive them; or they made me mad and I will never get over it; or organization ABC isn't perfect and therefore I can't support them.
Of course I guess they are dumb enough to believe that such a bogus reason gives them the right to refuse to support ANY AND ALL other pro-gun rights organizations. There are several, and if someone doesn't like one, surely they can find and support one they do like. That is unless they are too lazy, tight and cheap.
What prompted this rant (yeah, and I'm proud of it) was a questionairre I got from the Democratic National Committee. I don't know why the fools spent their time and money sending their questionairre to my household. Everone here hates the liberal, left-wing, America hating Democrats. Course while we hate the Democrats, we do notlike the Republicians. Reason being that it appears that ALL political parties and politicans take us citizens for granted, lie to us, cheat and trick us, and steal from us as well as ignore the US Consitution.
But the Democratic questionairre revealed what will happen when the Democrats get back into power. And get back they will. The jerk Bush has made so many mistakes they almost guarantee that the Democrats are going to make a come back.
There was a particular question on the questionairre. It read "How would you characterize our gun laws in America?". There was three choices for your answer. Choice #1. "We need stronger laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and children, and to keep military-style assault weapons off our streets. Choice #2. Our gun laws are about right. We need no new gun control legislation. Choice #3. Our gun laws interfere with an individual's right to bear arms.
Can anybody see how the questions, in relation to the offered answers, is slanted? Study question #1. How could any reasonable person not chose an answer that is related to keeping guns "out of the hands of criminals and children"? He!1, even many gun owners might chose that response. And what about the "military-style assault weapons off our streets"? The majority of liberals and even many moderates support the elimination of "assault weapon" ownership. Even though the majority of American gun owners CANNOT legally buy and own a true "assault weapon"; only military "look-alikes". But that doesn't matter to the gun banners. If you gun looks like an evil "assault weapon" then it must be evil and needs to be banned.
Few middle of the road people would chose answer # 2 or #3. Because generally only active gun owners believe we have too many or just the right amount of gun laws. So, bottom line, it appears the Democrats are going to launch their next political campaign based partly on the need for more gun laws and to get your AR-15, AK-47, or maybe any semiauto that can hold more than 10 rounds or has a detachable magazine, "off the streets". So get ready to say goodby to some of your favorite guns.
Folks, political parties take your guns away. That means you yourself need to find and support your OWN organization. One that can and will try and counter such political parties. If organization ABC offends you, then try DEF, or GHI, and so on. Surely you can find one organization you can support.
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People that own guns and support gun laws get no support from me...nor do the organizations that support gun laws but profess to be gun Rights organizations.
Those that won't support the Second Amendment deserve to lose their guns. Given that I lose mine also..tough. Reality is a gripe...and I no longer am willing to pretend...or allow YOU to pretend..that we live in a free country.
Give'em Hell T.R. Regardless of the crap they spout and no matter how noble they package it, it just boils down to them being cheapskakes expecting another man to shoulder their burden. In short, a lowlife.
Theres only room for one preacher per channel. The rest are the choir. Don
At quote:the same time I am not sure that with the way our society(sp) is today that anyone should be able to go throw down some cash and walk out with a gun as easy as buying a candybar (ie, repeal all gun laws).
A criminal does EXACTLY THAT...any time he wants one.
The answer to misuse of firearms is punishment. Not of OTHER people..as we do today...but punishment of those responsible. Couple that with education..and freedom is preserved.
Please try and remember...the NRA position is that without them to "Fight the good Fight" (Please send Money) your guns are GONE...
Also..Please try and remember..many gun owners consider it the hight of madness to actually RESIST confiscation...poll them, and you will find they favor Gun Control in one form or another...
Sometimes, its hard to tell the difference between gun owners and Shumer/Fiendstain/Kennedy...except, of course, the latter are HONEST in their drive to disarm us...
Speaking strictly for myself..........
I support NO ORGANIZATION that compromises where my 2nd Amend. RIGHTS are concerned..........period! I lobby the elected officials directly, for the good it does ([:(])
I have NO ILLUSIONS that my dying, in defending my 2nd Amend RIGHTS (when the JBT's come for my guns), will be the catalyst for change/revolt, etc.
I DO NOT condemn anyone who sees fit to support organizations who attempt to "protect" 2nd Amend RIGHTS , but would caution them to be aware that compromising in order to restore/retain RIGHTS seems kinda "counter-productive", if ya know where I'm coming from?!
Somewhere down the road I might change my opinion......
I don't consider you an "idiot" for trying to do what you think is right[B)]
Understand the flaw in your argument,Nwcid ?
At quote:the same time I am not sure that with the way our society(sp) is today that anyone should be able to go throw down some cash and walk out with a gun as easy as buying a candybar (ie, repeal all gun laws).
A criminal does EXACTLY THAT...any time he wants one.
I do know that criminals can get guns, I have no doubts about that. I have a hard time beliving (I have no facts to back it up) that they have it as easy as they would if there were no laws. The way it stands now they cant walk into any legit gun dealer and purchase firearms on their own. Do you have do you have facts that show one way or the other? I do not belive this because all anti gun stuff that says how many people were turned on 4473's, because they dont ever tell how many were just errors, ect. I do belive that many sales are stoped before the 4473 is even done due to the buyers status and there is no way to track that.
The answer to misuse of firearms is punishment. Not of OTHER people..as we do today...but punishment of those responsible. Couple that with education..and freedom is preserved.
I could not agree with you more.
Saliva running all down my screen!
whatta mess.
[}:)]barto[}:)]
Your entirely right and its too bad you could not use a couple actual cuss words to emphasize your point.
Wanted Man;
When you contact your representative to voice your opinion of your gun rights do you inform him that you are not a member of any organized group and therefore are one more than the many members of groups?
Or do you allow your representative to consider you one of the already vocal groups? Thereby diluting your voice.
UNITED WE STAND DEVIDED WE FALL
Being a member of these Orgs, I have the right to complain about their incompetence, I want what I pay for, and the only way I can seem to get that is do my own work, bit ch ing to my congressman and reps and attending legislative sessions in my own state.
Everytime there is gun legislation we have our own committee that goes to the state senators and voice our concerns as to the way they are going to vote, We have been successful in stopping many restrictive laws here in Florida, In fact It was the power of the people that got the "Stand your Ground" law passed here. Sure One rep from the NRA was on the sidelines but in the end it was the voice of the people that one over..
I find a problem with people that dont get involved in the fight for THEIR rights and expect someone or some Organization to do it for them.. Beware the person that pats you on the backand says "I am here to fight for you" "give me your money"
And that is pathetic. One would think the idiots who absolutely, positively refuse to spend even $20.00 per year joining and helping one of the national gun rights groups would, when they were exposed, would slink away into the shadows and hope the gun owners who do spend a little to help gun rights would quickly forget about how those tightwads refuse to help save gun rights. But no. Instead of remaining quiet, they actually have the nerve to get loud, complain, gripe and throw around criticism ; when they should be the ones receiving criticism from gun owners who do help.
And you gun owners who do help are being w-a-y too easy on these free loaders. From this post of mine, a few other posts and posts from others, many of the free riders have proudly revealed themselves for what they are: slackers. Yet I rarely see any gun rights supporter say even one unkind word to the slackers. I can't help but wonder how the slackers would be treated if they, for example, could have helped during W.W.II but refused to do so. Or if they could have saved a baby from injury and refused to do so. Or if they could have spared you or your family from some horrible event and refused to do so. If we gun owners would all work together we could solve forever our gun rights problems.
Anybody who claims that the national gun rights organizations do little or no good are merely expressing their opinion. Just as I express my opinion that those organizations do actually help save our gun rights. We still have guns, so obviously SOMETHING is working to save our gun rights and it sure is not the slackers. But even if I even partly thought they might be right, I am not cheap enough to take a chance and save my $20-$35.00 membership dues each year. And then find out too late that the pro-gun organizations were the only thing holding back the antigun crowd.
[Anybody who claims that the national gun rights organizations do little or no good are merely expressing their opinion. Just as I express my opinion that those organizations do actually help save our gun rights.
So that makes you what? If others opinion is different from yours they are an idiot? Do you write this stuff yourself or do you hire the homeless? What an idiot! Don
TR: you must sharpen your reading skills son.. Read this over and see if you can comprehend what is said.:: If you cant then your the idiot..What do you do beside send a few LOUSY dollars in to an organization, and spout rhetoric about how anyone that disagrees with your stance on the NRA, (yes I am a freaking life member) I cant change that, I merely am no longer on their freaking mailing list as I dont want their bull Hockey junk mailed to me..
I BELONG to several Gun Owner Organizations, but they are not the answer to the Problem,, they have become political, money seeking, compr0mising, no accomplishment organizations. The fight should be at STATE level, not Federal. Why do you think Florida is one of the states with the laxist of laws? Because the people stand up to be counted and voice their opinions. I would rather have 80 million individual voices that one representative voice hollering for my rights.
Please get off your * and do something to help your own rights instead of hoping someone else can do it..Thank you
I'm not a freeloader either, but I'm a grownup, and I respect every opinion on this thread.
I belong to the NRA, and I pay the dues, but I doubt very strongly that they do anything much to take the fear of "snakes" from anyone who chooses to fear them. Interchange "snakes" and "guns." Can no one see it except me? There are those who have an irrational fear of snakes, who think the only good snake is a dead one, who will fight you to the death to convince you that snakes are horrible. I believe I can include some of you gun lovers in this..am I right? Admit it now...
Ok..Now tell me how the "International Snake Lovers of America" can convince you that snakes are nice, cute, and cuddly.
Once more, substitute "guns" for "snakes." How hard do you think you will have to work now, to convince Ms. Feinstein and Hillary that guns are harmless?
The NRA and the GOA can collect all the money in the world, have ten thousand conferences in the Ritz Carleton, drink sixty million martinis paid for by Tr fox and myself, take a zillion vacations to Bermuda using our dues, and they won't change one puny little mind.
The scary little closed mind pukes will still try to take away our guns, and the sissy little snake terrified boy children will still carry a hoe with them to walk across their own yard.
I elect not to fear guns and snakes. My fear is toward so called "humans" who see me as prey because I'm old and sore. I don't expect any help from the NRA, and even less from Ted Kennedy. I will unfaillingly get exactly the same amount from each.
Sorry TR. I respect you and your opinions, but there you have mine, which I have even MORE respect for.
And yes, before you ask..I HAVE given up. Except to vote my mind and my heart in every election. You can only change people, not minds.Feinstein will always be a snake hater. Don't try to change her, instead try to get rid of her.
This statement sums up the problem neatly.
Those that refuse to acknowlege the difference between those two words are at the HEART of the loss of the Second Amendment.
"Quibble" is a term that denotes nit-picking...smallness of mind...ect.
Any man that cannot understand the difference between enjoying a RIGHT..free from government interference....
And crawling on your belly to get permission to exercise some action...will NEVER have a clue as to what the Founders intended for America.
The best one can hope for is that other people are more intelligent.
Where were you?
Don
Sitting in my recliner in my under drawers eating cheetos. Don
Lets start with the media-
"Americans Brace for AK-47s Now in Streets"
http://www.soonews.ca/viewarticle.php?id=6550
"Gun Shop Owner Reacts to Charges"
http://wfmz.com/cgi-bin/tt.cgi?action=viewstory&storyid=16052
"'We must act' to stem flow of guns"
http://www.orovillemr.com/news/bayarea/ci_3832135
"Gun violence is a global epidemic"
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=731482006
Yaa dee Yada
If I could provide the media attention on Guns Vs. Car/motor/drug/disgruntled/wife/husband/jaywalking deaths. We might have some perspective.
My rights are mine- I will not flee CA to seek 2and amendment shelter in another state as so many have done.
Stupid as it may sound, I am not caving into a bunch of bearcats.
I frequently hear the media mention the NRA because of the size of the membership.
This brings to the Public the awareness that there is a large segment of the population in favor of gun rights. That is worth the dues we pay.
But that is not nearly enough.
Active harassment of sitting Politicians is necessary by all gun rights advocates.
And still that is not enough.
Actively seeking out people who are ignorant of guns, and gun rights by every gun rights advocate is the most important element.
All three of these strategies must be employed by everybody who feels strongly enough about this subject to post on this Forum. without exception or whining.
One of my many contributions,
In 1978 I befriended a senators 19 year old son and taught him to shoot, and appreciate guns.
All that we all do is not enough we are loosing.
I began my efforts in 1968 when I received my first rifle and have continued until today to seek out and take advantage of opportunities to educate all that I can.
DO MORE OR DIE
All the NRA would have to do to both add membership and send a very loud message to congress would be to organize a "million gun owner march" in DC, they have the resources to pull it off, but they won't.
BTW, I was at the only gun rights march there was in DC(94?), I drove there from MI. The NRA was not there, The GOA was not there, only the JFPO was.
Where were you?
Don
I won't speak for others, but this thread was not started just to be an NRA recruitment project. Instead it was intended to encourage the slackers among us to pick at least one of the national pro-gun rights groups and join and support that group. In your case you spoke highly of the JFPFO so I hope you have decided to join and support that group. And rather than disparage other such groups, that can't be at each and every gun rights march (not enough members or money to do so) why don't you encourage others to join and support the JFPFO?
quote:their gun rights (or "privileges or any other terms you want to quibble about)
This statement sums up the problem neatly.
Those that refuse to acknowlege the difference between those two words are at the HEART of the loss of the Second Amendment.
"Quibble" is a term that denotes nit-picking...smallness of mind...ect.
Any man that cannot understand the difference between enjoying a RIGHT..free from government interference....
And crawling on your belly to get permission to exercise some action...will NEVER have a clue as to what the Founders intended for America.
The best one can hope for is that other people are more intelligent.
And while you and I spend our precious minutes debating "rights" vs "privileges," the anti-gun crowd spends their time productively working to take away even more of our gun rights/privileges. In fact I am sure the anti-gun crowd wishes you and I and others would waste our time in more such unproductive debates.
There is no doubt in my mind that I will keep my firearms as long as I am alive. They ain't gonna come cheap.
If you can still legally purchase firearms means that you have so far lived a pretty much lawful life. As have all others here who threaten that that when guns are banned and the fedcoats come to your door to get yours they "ain't gonna come cheap". Now if you were a criminal with a violent past I would probably believe your threat. But since you apparently are a lawful citizen I am curious if you, and the others, will be able to suddenly turn into a killing machine acting against your "lawfully elected" government?
some here will drown in friendly blood... pity to you fools.
I hate to admit it, but sometimes you show moments of brilliance.
Tank, did you have to start that crap?
I'm not a freeloader either, but I'm a grownup, and I respect every opinion on this thread.
I belong to the NRA, and I pay the dues, but I doubt very strongly that they do anything much to take the fear of "snakes" from anyone who chooses to fear them. Interchange "snakes" and "guns." Can no one see it except me? There are those who have an irrational fear of snakes, who think the only good snake is a dead one, who will fight you to the death to convince you that snakes are horrible. I believe I can include some of you gun lovers in this..am I right? Admit it now...
Ok..Now tell me how the "International Snake Lovers of America" can convince you that snakes are nice, cute, and cuddly.
Once more, substitute "guns" for "snakes." How hard do you think you will have to work now, to convince Ms. Feinstein and Hillary that guns are harmless?
The NRA and the GOA can collect all the money in the world, have ten thousand conferences in the Ritz Carleton, drink sixty million martinis paid for by Tr fox and myself, take a zillion vacations to Bermuda using our dues, and they won't change one puny little mind.
The scary little closed mind pukes will still try to take away our guns, and the sissy little snake terrified boy children will still carry a hoe with them to walk across their own yard.
I elect not to fear guns and snakes. My fear is toward so called "humans" who see me as prey because I'm old and sore. I don't expect any help from the NRA, and even less from Ted Kennedy. I will unfaillingly get exactly the same amount from each.
Sorry TR. I respect you and your opinions, but there you have mine, which I have even MORE respect for.
And yes, before you ask..I HAVE given up. Except to vote my mind and my heart in every election. You can only change people, not minds.Feinstein will always be a snake hater. Don't try to change her, instead try to get rid of her.
Thanks for the kind words.
I often feel like giving up but I won't. Just as if a loved one collasped on the floor and appeared dead from, say, a heartattack, I will still quickly phone 9-1-1 and attempt CPR. Just in the hopes it might help. And picking one of the national progun rights groups and membership supporting the with a lousely $20-35.00 per year is an inexpensive and easy way to cover just one more of the bases in regards to saving our gun rights. And if the executives of that organization are able to take those expensive vacations on my $35.00 per year and STILL do at least some good for saving gun rights, then as far as I am concerned I got my money's worth.
Just a BTW, why have so many here been harping on/against the NRA? I never mentioned the NRA in my orginal posting. This is about ALL the national pro-gun rights groups. And to read some of the attitudes posted here it appears some would claim that ALL those groups are completely and totally worthless. That is very, very hard to believe.
How about a roll-call of people who truly believe that and are not just using that claim to justify continuing to do little or nothing?
Only 4 idiots? Don
Well, you got me good on that one. Have to admit it was pretty funny. I probably should revise the topic to read "One idiot" and let you him guess who it might be.
quote:Originally posted by dcon12
Only 4 idiots? Don
Well, you got me good on that one. Have to admit it was pretty funny. I probably should revise the topic to read "One idiot" and let you him guess who it might be.
Yes you should, and try not to be so obvious next time. Don
TR, I think you-n-me had this go-'round once before.........
Speaking strictly for myself..........
I support NO ORGANIZATION that compromises where my 2nd Amend. RIGHTS are concerned..........period! I lobby the elected officials directly, for the good it does ([:(])
I have NO ILLUSIONS that my dying, in defending my 2nd Amend RIGHTS (when the JBT's come for my guns), will be the catalyst for change/revolt, etc.
I DO NOT condemn anyone who sees fit to support organizations who attempt to "protect" 2nd Amend RIGHTS , but would caution them to be aware that compromising in order to restore/retain RIGHTS seems kinda "counter-productive", if ya know where I'm coming from?!
Somewhere down the road I might change my opinion......
I don't consider you an "idiot" for trying to do what you think is right[B)]
Your statement in red is right of course, but if one doesn't post something provocative when it comes to fighting for gun rights, then the thread will receive little interest. But for a measly $35.00 per year it would be a cheap and easy way to try an important experiment. That experiment would be to swell the membership of the NRA OR the GOA OR the SAF OR the JFPFO OR the CKRKBA to about 45 million members for the first time in history. With that huge numbers of members and the funds and political clout it would give that organizaation, at that point we gun owners could settle once and for all whether or not any of the pro-gun organizations can/will help save our gun rights. With that many members no organizations could deliver failure to gun owners and expect us to continue supporting them. And at $35.00 per year from each gun owner, that would be a very, very low cost way to get this debate ended.
And if the experiment fails, we ALWAYS have the option of falling back on what some here suggest of having our shootouts with the fedcoats at our front door when they come to seize our guns.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by dcon12
Only 4 idiots? Don
Well, you got me good on that one. Have to admit it was pretty funny. I probably should revise the topic to read "One idiot" and let you him guess who it might be.
Yes you should, and try not to be so obvious next time. Don
Roger that.
The question is - Are you willing to fight for your right? Obviously not. You rant that those who would physicaly try to defend those GOD given rights are fools. Do you actually believe that your NRA bretheren and leaders will at some point take up the meager firearms allowed us (at this point) to defend our constitution? I don't - they believe money and words can replace the balls and courage to actualy use our firearms as the Constitution charges each of us to do. If you are not willing to defend your right at all cost - You do not deserve that right. Do you think our goverment is in the least bit scared of the NRA - then You are the idiot!!
Our esteemed officials will label any physical defense of our rights as an insurection - they have already won you over!!!![V]
The NRA needs to stage a March and call it the two million man march.