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Simply AMAZING !!!
Highball
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The majority of respondents on this forum..and across America, obviously ..have been cheering wildly since the SCOTUS decision the other day.
Well ..FINALLY ..you supporters of that decision find yourself firmly in the camp of Dodd, Shumer, Sarah Brady, Fiendstein, Kennedy, Bill Gates.every gun hating politician and businessman socialist/Fascist puke that ever lived.
You see.every one of them have declared at one time or another that they have no real desire to `take away guns' ..that there is a right to own guns. ( just certain guns, in some cases) ..and ALWAYS with `Reasonable Restrictions'.
Pretty much what the SCOTUS declared.
Maybe I should rethink my position. After all.I am opposed by SUCH an august group.
All those stinking corrupt politicians, greedy ethically challenged businessmen ..and now the bulk of the gun-owning community.
On second thought ..nahhh .one dead Founder equals the whole pack of you.
Well ..FINALLY ..you supporters of that decision find yourself firmly in the camp of Dodd, Shumer, Sarah Brady, Fiendstein, Kennedy, Bill Gates.every gun hating politician and businessman socialist/Fascist puke that ever lived.
You see.every one of them have declared at one time or another that they have no real desire to `take away guns' ..that there is a right to own guns. ( just certain guns, in some cases) ..and ALWAYS with `Reasonable Restrictions'.
Pretty much what the SCOTUS declared.
Maybe I should rethink my position. After all.I am opposed by SUCH an august group.
All those stinking corrupt politicians, greedy ethically challenged businessmen ..and now the bulk of the gun-owning community.
On second thought ..nahhh .one dead Founder equals the whole pack of you.
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You might be surprised to know how many people care what Highball thinks. I find I agree with him more often than not.
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You might be surprised to know how many people care what Highball thinks. I find I agree with him more often than not.
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The decision is just like everyother SCOTUS decision, they don't uphold the constitution, they just say yeah in this case we kind of think the constitution applies, but in other circumstances we think cities and states can still step on your rights.
so go cry about it somewhere else if you're so damned unhappy here. Who really cares what you think anyway?
funny how that works both ways[:)]
On second thought ..nahhh .one dead Founder equals the whole pack of you.
True, and very well stated. X-ring, my friend.
I think it's unfortunate that they said it's an individual right, then took one hundred fifty-seven (157) pages to explain why it isn't.
It could have been worse. They could have gone the other way and we would have found out for sure that Americans love freedom, but not as much as socialism.
That response confuses me - since I can't call you names and be imature - I'll just say that you will be ignored.
You might be surprised to know how many people care what Highball thinks. I find I agree with him more often than not.
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BINGO!
I can see how some people, maybe most, could be a little confused about the Supreme Court ruling. They announced that they found the Right To Keep And Bear Arms is an individual right. It was reported in the news that way, and still is. The talking heads on radio and TV who obviously haven't read the decision are talking about the repercussions of it.
I think it's unfortunate that they said it's an individual right, then took one hundred fifty-seven (157) pages to explain why it isn't.
It could have been worse. They could have gone the other way and we would have found out for sure that Americans love freedom, but not as much as socialism.
James,
Sadly, I believe their would be less of us that choose freedom than those who choose socialism.[V]
Then one reads the posts above...and realizes that everything WILL be okay.....not today ..not tomorrow ..but one day, the common decency of the greatest people on the face of the earth will once again reassert itself.
On that day, the rotten, slimy, sold out politicians ..and their handmaidens, their enablers ..those that insist upon voting for them...will be swept away like the stinking mess left behind by a drunk lying in the gutter after a driving rain. The resemblance is strikingly similar....
The Few.the Proud.the Americans.
That is how I see it and no, I don't like it. YOu can throw a cheap shot at me and claim that I DO LIKE it, but you would be lying if you did. But under the circumstances present in America, it is about the best we can hope for.
And, hopefully, a wake-up call for the millions of non-affiliated gun owners to join a gun-rights organization. ANY freaking real gun-rights organization.
I wonder how many will.
And how many will sit on the sidelines bitching about being sold out by the NRA again.
Never again can the anti-gun people say we have no right to occupy that space. The best they can do against us to to say "Well, you can occupy that space (own handguns & longguns) but you have to submit to certains rules and restrictions.
Tr,
Careful how you use those words.
On 2nd thought NEVERMIND.
Really ?
I have never pretended to be an intellectual giant. Fact is ..I struggle with words, I struggle with ideas.
Really ..I don't rate myself very bright at all.
That is why I lean on giants of men ..the men that intended for `we the people' to be masters of OUR OWN DESTINY ..the men that bled their lifeblood into the earth to give freedom a chance.
The men that determined that governments have mostly ONE function, left to their own devices.
That function is to get bigger and more totalitarian ..steadily ..Inevitably.
Now..if I can see that ..not being very bright and all ..where does that leave people like, say...you ?
May I have permission to kneel/bow before you all mighty one.
quote:Gee I wish I was a judgemental elitist.
Really ?
I have never pretended to be an intellectual giant. Fact is ..I struggle with words, I struggle with ideas.
Really ..I don't rate myself very bright at all.
That is why I lean on giants of men ..the men that intended for `we the people' to be masters of OUR OWN DESTINY ..the men that bled their lifeblood into the earth to give freedom a chance.
The men that determined that governments have mostly ONE function, left to their own devices.
That function is to get bigger and more totalitarian ..steadily ..Inevitably.
Now..if I can see that ..not being very bright and all ..where does that leave people like, say...you ?
Highball, this is for you and all the others here who continuely shout "no compromise". I read an article the other day in one of the many magazines I subscribe to. It was neither a liberal nor conservative article. It merely described how the men who fought the Revolutionairy War and later wrote the US Constitution and Bill of Rights had a very, very difficult time getting all the states, leaders, etc. to agree to and sign off on a final document. At many points of the effort, it looked like all was lost and there would NEVER be a United States of America with the type of government we are supposed to have.
It went into detail about the extensive compromises everyone had to agree to in order to get universal agreement and therefore a constitution. My point is that compromises are not always bad. With the SC ruling the patient (we gun owners) is still alive. That fact is a major victory because the anti-gun crowd has been trying to declare us dead for many, many years.
We gun people still have a "team" and we are still in the "game" and we advanced the ball many yards with the SC decision.
I shudder top think how far you compromisers would be willing to go were it not for those of us out here DEMANDING a return to the Constitution.
As for the 'compromises' the Founders achieved ..ever think about just where some of those men must have started from...if they 'compromised' on "Shall NOT be Infringed"...??/
You suppose they started from a platform of;
You WILL be armed ..under penalty of prison ?;
The STATE WILL furnish weapons to every man;
You WILL be prosecuted if you stand by and allow a murder to be committed ?
Suppose any ideas like that were batted about..before calmer, cooler heads prevailed..I.E. Get the government OUT of the weapons regulations business ?
You suppose that you, the NRA, and the Scotus are now taking us back into the dark ages..where government tells us where, how, and when to take a leak ?
For example, we let the government take our money for taxes and then either waste that money or spend it/give it to causes we do not support. Yet we remain peaceful about it. For anyone who hates compromises as many here do, I would be impressed if you marched on Washington, D.C. tomorrow.
All I know is that I have never personally been denied or seperated from any guns/ammo I wanted by anything other than having the available cash to get them.
I'm fortunant to live in a midwestern state I guess. But I have noted the attacks and uncontitutional laws imposed on others. And I appluad that some of these have apparently been struck down.
All I can say beyond that is that I am interested in your point of view. And that should the future turn out as you say, you can count on me to take the line beside you.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=311228
so go cry about it somewhere else if you're so damned unhappy here. Who really cares what you think anyway?
You must, at least to some extent.
You opened his post and replied. His position simply wasn't to your liking.[;)]
Go figure....
Highball, you are a good man and tell it like you see it. I happen to see a similar view of events.
Most do not. So be it.
so go cry about it somewhere else if you're so damned unhappy here. Who really cares what you think anyway?
I agree with you, chappsyny. I'm getting tired of these GB flies
who consider themselves so knowledgeable about what MIGHT happen
and who consider themselves so good at predicting appeal and
the legislative future of this SC declaration.
... blowing smoke and self-righteous indignation ... when in fact,
nobody has the slightest idea where this is going to lead.
I do enjoy the amateur pontification(s), though, they ARE entertaining, if nothing else.
[:D]
You might be surprised to know how many people care what Highball thinks. I find I agree with him more often than not.
Ditto. This site has a bad habit of either booting off, locking out or turning a blind eye to the abuse of members who might not tow the GB party line or fall in lock step with the mandatory opinions, which must be somewhere in the posting guidelines. James makes a very good point: The entire Second Amenedment is only 27 words long yet it took 157 pages of legal mumbo-jumbo to explain this? Right now I don't fully understand what impact this ruling os going to have on our rights as firearms owners here in states like California where these rights have been subject to many decades of abuse. My guess: Not much!
'G' word.
[:D]
(with exceptions ?)
The main problem I have with their decision (other than 4 of them were traitors to the country) is that they completely SHREDDED
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand the meaning of those 4 words, yet ALL NINE of them failed this test. Where was their affirmation for THIS PART of the amendment???
Was their decision just something to placate the people? To delay the inevitable? Because of this decision, there will inevitably be MANY court cases filed. Where we go from here, is this ruling something to cheer, we shall see. I will remain cynical until if/when I am proven wrong. I sure HOPE I AM.
SCOTUS affirmed that the right to bear arms is an "individual" right, as are the rest of the amendments. As it should be. They also ruled that a "complete" ban was unconstitutional. Again, as it should be.
(with exceptions ?)
The main problem I have with their decision (other than 4 of them were traitors to the country) is that they completely SHREDDED
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand the meaning of those 4 words, yet ALL NINE of them failed this test. Where was their affirmation for THIS PART of the amendment???
Was their decision just something to placate the people? To delay the inevitable? Because of this decision, there will inevitably be MANY court cases filed. Where we go from here, is this ruling something to cheer, we shall see. I will remain cynical until if/when I am proven wrong. I sure HOPE I AM.
In reading Scalia's opinion, written on behalf of the majority of the SCROTUS, I see that he carefully and in great detail, dissected the verbiage of the amendment.
He broke it down and defined the historical context of "militia", "well regulated", "security of a free state", "right", "the people", "keep", "bear", "keep and bear", "arms".....but conspicuously, he absolutely failed to address in any detail (just a passing mention) the "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" part, which is the linchpin of the entire amendment.
Go figure.
It is obvious that political pressure and the stark reality of what that phrase, "shall not be infringed" actually means, was simply too much for the Fed to allow.
A Constitutional ruling on Amendment II, would have simply put the lie to the gov't actions related to the RTKBA and would have absolutely mandated that ALL Federal (and likely state) regulation and control of firearms related issues be struck down for evermore.
That simply was not going to be allowed, despite the clear meaning and intent of Amendment II.
Government = power and control over individuals.
Unfettered RTKBA = loss of government power and a return to the limited gov't that the Republic allows.
Simple as that...All one has to do to realize this simple fact is to look.
Thus, the Constitution and free, Individualist America was kicked in the nuts again.
Otherwise the SC Heller case would never have come to be.
How can any of us know what the true outcome/interpretation will be when our leaders/lawmakers blatantly ignore the constitution.
Otherwise the SC Heller case would never have come to be.
That IS "the point" of all the harsh criticism from some of us Hunter.
It is what it is and we live with it, albeit, some of us will shine light on the stark reality, regardless of the unpopularity of that reality.
and I'm refering to our Gov and organizations that are supposed to fight for the people's right to have a firearm and help restore the second amendment. And we can continue to support our cause by writing our congressman and giving our money to these type of organizations that are supposed to fight for a cause.
But we don't matter, what matters is what our government wants. All we can do is wait to see when it happens, They take our rights away a little at a time so that it will be easier for us to accept. They already have a plan and it's in affect now. It's already out of our hands. What matters is what people will do when the chit hits the fan.
Why bother fighting eachother over this. All you can do now is prepare.
quote:chappsyny:
so go cry about it somewhere else if you're so damned unhappy here. Who really cares what you think anyway?
I agree with you, chappsyny. I'm getting tired of these GB flies
who consider themselves so knowledgeable about what MIGHT happen
and who consider themselves so good at predicting appeal and
the legislative future of this SC declaration.
... blowing smoke and self-righteous indignation ... when in fact,
nobody has the slightest idea where this is going to lead.
I do enjoy the amateur pontification(s), though, they ARE entertaining, if nothing else.
[:D]
It's not hard to predict what they've already said. All you have to do is READ THE DECISION. [;)]
quote:Why bother fighting eachother over this. All you can do now is prepare.
Not fighting, here.
What we are doing is separating the Beast-lovers from the hard core of America.
Forcing people to look into their very soul..and decide if they are men...or mice.
This is a reality most have never faced ..and they absolutely hate the person talking about it.
Requires little courage to `follow orders' from a government.
Requires TREMENDOUS fortitude to look that government in the eye and say .."You are rotten and corrupt to the core of your being".
The Supreme Court decision was the best possible outcome. Our side prevailed. If you think having it go the other way would have been better, then get a sign that says you're an idiot.
You just like to *? Well then change your rag because this one is worn out.