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quote:Originally posted by Highball
P3;
This is addressed directly to you. I will answer those oh-so-important questions you are so interested in.
I came to the fight in 1968, as a 19 year-old. As money permitted, I joined the NRA ..some years it lapsed. I became a life member in the early 80's.
I sent money to them in those early years.
I kicked and screamed about the 1968 Gun Law to anybody that would listen..in Politics and out..and finally began to realize that I was nearly alone..'infringement' meant little to most gun owners. Still..to this DAY...it means NOTHING to most of you.
I campaigned ..in later years, I switched parties every year or so ..because it became apparent to me the ONLY chance to get incumbents out of office was the primaries.
We were successful several times.only to find that the NEW guy became just like the old guy, in a few years.
Coburn is just the latest example of that.
I wrote letters to the editor ..again ..not in the last 20 years ..I finally realized the uselessness of that endeavor. Some were even published.
One in particular I remember.published under the huge headline " Gun owner wishes for Fire and Sword".because I mentioned in the letter that this country was BORN by fire and sword.
I wrote and visited Congressmen ..Dole, in Kansas ..for example. Didn't stop him from voting for the Brady Bill.is SPITE of his assurances that he was "Pro-Gun" ..to me PERSONALLY.
For the last 15..perhaps 20..years, I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN.
Therefore..I waste No more of my time pursuing them.
My time is spent attempting to educate other people as to the level of government corruption and infringements on our Rights there actually is.on a one-to-one basis ..and for the last 6 years.on sites like this.
My time is spent bringing up difficult subjects that most folks don't want to hear or think about. MUCH easier to discuss `whats for dinner'.then the fact that we the American people.we consider ourselves MEN.
Yet we crawl on our bellies to exercise the most basic Right of all...t of possessing a weapon.
You are mistaken. This is one of the easier countries to obtain and own a firearm and I do it walking upright.
The framework for correcting wrongs is in place and there is more good than bad with the Republic. Are you advocating arming felons? Should gangbangers be able to walk around with automatic weapons? The BS domestic violence law should be changed, but at least it screws everyone equally.
While a little domestic violence might be called for at a later date to do a bit of social housecleaning, there currently is not justification to start a (un)civil war. These are the most terrible types of wars and should not entered into except as a last resort.
By your own admission, "I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN".
, if you are without hope, become a martyr. In a free society, it would be nice if everyone was sane and competent. It's pretty obvious, even on this board, that I wouldn't trust some with a watergun. How do you reach a happy medium respecting one's freedom, yet acknowledging some have no maturity or responsibility?
For the most part, we've (this country) has done a pretty good job. What can you or your kind offer any better?
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by Highball
P3;
This is addressed directly to you. I will answer those oh-so-important questions you are so interested in.
I came to the fight in 1968, as a 19 year-old. As money permitted, I joined the NRA ..some years it lapsed. I became a life member in the early 80's.
I sent money to them in those early years.
I kicked and screamed about the 1968 Gun Law to anybody that would listen..in Politics and out..and finally began to realize that I was nearly alone..'infringement' meant little to most gun owners. Still..to this DAY...it means NOTHING to most of you.
I campaigned ..in later years, I switched parties every year or so ..because it became apparent to me the ONLY chance to get incumbents out of office was the primaries.
We were successful several times.only to find that the NEW guy became just like the old guy, in a few years.
Coburn is just the latest example of that.
I wrote letters to the editor ..again ..not in the last 20 years ..I finally realized the uselessness of that endeavor. Some were even published.
One in particular I remember.published under the huge headline " Gun owner wishes for Fire and Sword".because I mentioned in the letter that this country was BORN by fire and sword.
I wrote and visited Congressmen ..Dole, in Kansas ..for example. Didn't stop him from voting for the Brady Bill.is SPITE of his assurances that he was "Pro-Gun" ..to me PERSONALLY.
For the last 15..perhaps 20..years, I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN.
Therefore..I waste No more of my time pursuing them.
My time is spent attempting to educate other people as to the level of government corruption and infringements on our Rights there actually is.on a one-to-one basis ..and for the last 6 years.on sites like this.
My time is spent bringing up difficult subjects that most folks don't want to hear or think about. MUCH easier to discuss `whats for dinner'.then the fact that we the American people.we consider ourselves MEN.
Yet we crawl on our bellies to exercise the most basic Right of all...t of possessing a weapon.
You are mistaken. This is one of the easier countries to obtain and own a firearm and I do it walking upright.
The framework for correcting wrongs is in place and there is more good than bad with the Republic. Are you advocating arming felons? Should gangbangers be able to walk around with automatic weapons? The BS domestic violence law should be changed, but at least it screws everyone equally.
While a little domestic violence might be called for at a later date to do a bit of social housecleaning, there currently is not justification to start a (un)civil war. These are the most terrible types of wars and should not entered into except as a last resort.
By your own admission, "I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN".
, if you are without hope, become a martyr. In a free society, it would be nice if everyone was sane and competent. It's pretty obvious, even on this board, that I wouldn't trust some with a watergun. How do you reach a happy medium respecting one's freedom, yet acknowledging some have no maturity or responsibility?
For the most part, we've (this country) has done a pretty good job. What can you or your kind offer any better?
another member reveals himself. I will consider you one the family now, only by marriage and I will never come visit [:o)]
I think HB isn't offering anything, except the in your face fact that your country is violating its own Constitution. He is offering knowledge he is offering his point of view his outlook and in my opinion it is a damn good and spot on outlook!
P3;
You feel comfortable crawling to beg permission to exercise what you laughingly call a 'right'.
I do not.
You may rationalize all you like about 'walking upright,ect"..the fact remains that I begged daddy for a gun the last time when I was 10..and never did again...until 1968. Since that time...every manjack in America...Ramboes all...have crawled and begged to buy a gun.
"No hope".??? Sorry..you have mistaken me for somebody else. Were I without hope...I would tend to my own knitting and let the rest of you be marched off to the camps.
"My kind, indeed".
My kind is why you have even these dregs of freedom left here in America. 'My kind' fought the British to a standstill.
For all you gentleman who think the Supreme Court Decision was a bad thing, what woud you be saying if they said there is no individal right in the 2nd ammendment???
quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
For all you gentleman who think the Supreme Court Decision was a bad thing, what woud you be saying if they said there is no individal right in the 2nd ammendment???
What is was, was insulting, and incremental. But I am glad your happy [;)]
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
[brI think HB isn't offering anything, except the in your face fact that your country is violating its own Constitution. He is offering knowledge he is offering his point of view his outlook and in my opinion it is a damn good and spot on outlook!
So even you acknowledge that he is all talk. [;)]
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Do you do anything except complain to the choir?
EXCUSE ME ???? The CHOIR ??????????????????
If I had a choir that sang like you guys do...you would be sent packing.
WHAT is the argument about...if we are all 'in the choir' ??
WHY, P3, your continual personal attacks on my person, my courage, my motives ..if we all are in 'the choir' ??
Given, P3...if I give you that I am a rank coward.Do you feel better now HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY ARGUMENTS ?? Perhaps you feel a sense of inadquacy..unwilling to speak out for yourself ?
How does your calling me out continually make YOU a big man ..and me a lying sack of cowardly, agent provocateur ?
Why don't you address the issues...instead of me ?
How many times must I admit that I myself am merely one little man ..but I swing the club of words from long dead men ..men that DEMANDED..and bled for ..the freedom you enjoy today ?
Why aren't YOU demanding that same freedom.hmmm ??
Danny;
I am nothing special, friend ..look in the mirror for a picture of a good man. Men like you built America..and keep her running.
maybe he has a small BallPark Frank?!
I don't care who you are, that is some funny snit right there.[:D][:D][:D]
Gentlemen;
Thank you more then you know for the encouraging words.
Please know that P3 is right in a way..these words I use do not originate with me. They are a gift to ALL of us from long dead...and too often forgotten ..men.
The really sad thing ? That someone speaking them aloud would be considered anything except normal.
The p3's of the world OUGHT to be considered just what they are and shunned by decent men everywhere.
Men more interested in personal attacks then addressing the issues.
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by p3skyking:
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
Well are you one of the morons that think the time to rise up is now?
You candy *, do you think killing people is fun? All of you are insane if you want a civil war to start while the rule of law is still in effect in this country. You would throw away everything the Constitution stands for. We are nowhere near having cause to rise up.
Probably no reason to worry as long as there's talking to be done, but you can kiss my * anyway.
The only people talking about "raising up now". p3, is people like you attempting to discredit the Constitution.
Those of us supporting the Constitution UNDERSTAND that the weak-willed are still content to crawl on their bellies to beg from the Beast....THAT is why we unhappy with the SCOTUS the other day.
Understanding that they were flirting with an upraising...the good judges merely cut our throats quietly, efficiently and effectively.judgimg from the squeals of happiness emanating from gun owners.
THAT is why a gun ban would be a GOOD thing ..so people like YOU could no longer talk about how good things are.
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
All those in power have to do is obey the damn Constitution.and the subject will NEVER COME UP..
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The only people talking about "raising up now". p3, is people like you attempting to discredit the Constitution.
Those of us supporting the Constitution UNDERSTAND that the weak-willed are still content to crawl on their bellies to beg from the Beast....THAT is why we unhappy with the SCOTUS the other day.
Understanding that they were flirting with an upraising...the good judges merely cut our throats quietly, efficiently and effectively.judgimg from the squeals of happiness emanating from gun owners.
THAT is why a gun ban would be a GOOD thing ..so people like YOU could no longer talk about how good things are.
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
All those in power have to do is obey the damn Constitution.and the subject will NEVER COME UP..
It's funny how those who can't understand what we are saying, and how we approach this issue seem to think we are ready to let the bullets fly. We, the people who understand the Constitution and want to live by it's words know that the best approach is to educate the people with it's meaning. This past year thousands have woke up and folks are waking up daily, thanks to Ron Paul. The meaning of the constitution is simple. Keep government out of peoples lives, and let them live their lives in peace and as they see fit.
I appreciate and respect Highballs, Lt496, and others posts on the subject. Even though there are some hard heads, others are getting the big picture. Keep up the excellent work fellas!
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The only people talking about "raising up now". p3, is people like you attempting to discredit the Constitution.
Those of us supporting the Constitution UNDERSTAND that the weak-willed are still content to crawl on their bellies to beg from the Beast....THAT is why we unhappy with the SCOTUS the other day.
Understanding that they were flirting with an upraising...the good judges merely cut our throats quietly, efficiently and effectively.judgimg from the squeals of happiness emanating from gun owners.
THAT is why a gun ban would be a GOOD thing ..so people like YOU could no longer talk about how good things are.
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
All those in power have to do is obey the damn Constitution.and the subject will NEVER COME UP..
It's funny how those who can't understand what we are saying, and how we approach this issue seem to think we are ready to let the bullets fly. We, the people who understand the Constitution and want to live by it's words know that the best approach is to educate the people with it's meaning. This past year thousands have woke up and folks are waking up daily, thanks to Ron Paul. The meaning of the constitution is simple. Keep government out of peoples lives, and let them live their lives in peace and as they see fit.
I appreciate and respect Highballs, Lt496, and others posts on the subject. Even though there are some hard heads, others are getting the big picture. Keep up the excellent work fellas!
Thanks for the kind words sarge. It is good to hear that the "big picture" idea is getting across to some.
Speaking for myself, I obviously do a lot of pontificating/preaching the word, albeit with an ulterior motive.
In my eyes, far too few can put their finger on the vague feeling that there is "something" wrong in society and in government.
Putting a face to that "something" and/or educating some on the base-line philosophy that feeds our ills, aka "Collectivism", is a worthy task IMO.
I'll take a verbal lashing now and again from some, to ensure that others are presented with the information of what is likely causing that feeling of "something" being wrong with America.
No guarantee that a bit of "backlash" might not occur, but then, that just keeps things interesting.[;)]
Well are you one of the morons that think the time to rise up is now?
You candy *, do you think killing people is fun? All of you are insane if you want a civil war to start while the rule of law is still in effect in this country. You would throw away everything the Constitution stands for. We are nowhere near having cause to rise up.
Probably no reason to worry as long as there's talking to be done, but you can kiss my * anyway.
P3,
You just do not get it, do you? None of us have made mere mention of "wanting" to kill, nor have we even suggested that it would be "fun" to do so. War is not something one wishes for, and no one despises it more than those charged with fighting it.
What we want is simple; for those in government to respect, and follow, the Constitution of the United States. That's it. If that were done, you'd not here any complaints from us at all on the subject. For the life of me, I do not understand why it is so difficult for our leaders to follow the laws that bind them as they expect we, the people, to follow the laws they pass, even though many are in direct violation of the Constitution. You are insorrect in your assessment that we wish to "throw away" everything the Constitution stands for; on the contrary. We wish to see a restoration of this Republic following the principles set forth in that document.
You think us to be uncivilized, but I made it through my entire post without so much as calling you one name, yet you resorted to it twice within the first nineteen words of your respone to my post. Who's the one exhibiting uncivilized behavior?
quote:You backpedal beautifully but it still looks awkward as hell.
Nobody asked you, Clouder.
There is a tremendous difference between advocating a civil war.and promising one if political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The people of the united states of America will make it happen at some point in time.even if people like you couldn't be bothered.
One does not have to be a sooth-sayer to believe that the entire population of America is not beaten down slugs.even if every body you know is.
I realize the difficulty you will have comprehending the fact that there is absolutely no sign that political leaders intend obeying the Constitution..and they will eventually stray so far over the line the people take it back.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:You backpedal beautifully but it still looks awkward as hell.
Nobody asked you, Clouder.
There is a tremendous difference between advocating a civil war.and promising one if political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The people of the united states of America will make it happen at some point in time.even if people like you couldn't be bothered.
One does not have to be a sooth-sayer to believe that the entire population of America is not beaten down slugs.even if every body you know is.
I realize the difficulty you will have comprehending the fact that there is absolutely no sign that political leaders intend obeying the Constitution..and they will eventually stray so far over the line the people take it back.
Highball I thank you for thoughts and speach. The "gentlemen" that are attacking you and your like either have not or will not take the time to read. 2nd paragraph "Declaration of Independence" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty,and the prusuit of Happiness.-- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-- [red]That whenever any Form of Government becomes detructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.Prudence,indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, that to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Depotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. [/red] It also appears that most of the elected politicians can neither read and comprehend or worst choose to subvert our fine Declaration of Independence.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by p3skyking:
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
Well are you one of the morons that think the time to rise up is now?
You candy *, do you think killing people is fun? All of you are insane if you want a civil war to start while the rule of law is still in effect in this country. You would throw away everything the Constitution stands for. We are nowhere near having cause to rise up.
Probably no reason to worry as long as there's talking to be done, but you can kiss my * anyway.
P3 the arrogant elitists have spoken!! How dare you. You are not one of them, so you have no rights.
Just obey so they can remain elite.[xx(]
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:You backpedal beautifully but it still looks awkward as hell.
Nobody asked you, Clouder.
There is a tremendous difference between advocating a civil war.and promising one if political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The people of the united states of America will make it happen at some point in time.even if people like you couldn't be bothered.
One does not have to be a sooth-sayer to believe that the entire population of America is not beaten down slugs.even if every body you know is.
I realize the difficulty you will have comprehending the fact that there is absolutely no sign that political leaders intend obeying the Constitution..and they will eventually stray so far over the line the people take it back.
Now you're sputtering . . .sure indication you feel caught out.
"if people like you couldn't be bothered."
Don't put words in my mouth, you're not even remotely qualified to do so.
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Please move this to the gun rights forum.
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motion denied, NOW SIT DOWN COUNSELOR!
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Does anyone have a link to the Supreme Court's decision? (the whole 157 page document)
Hasn't showed up in the prison library yet, huh?
Got a mean streak in ya' today, huh?[:D]
Matty,
Got a mean streak in ya' today, huh?[:D]
It's PMS...
P3;
This is addressed directly to you. I will answer those oh-so-important questions you are so interested in.
I came to the fight in 1968, as a 19 year-old. As money permitted, I joined the NRA ..some years it lapsed. I became a life member in the early 80's.
I sent money to them in those early years.
I kicked and screamed about the 1968 Gun Law to anybody that would listen..in Politics and out..and finally began to realize that I was nearly alone..'infringement' meant little to most gun owners. Still..to this DAY...it means NOTHING to most of you.
I campaigned ..in later years, I switched parties every year or so ..because it became apparent to me the ONLY chance to get incumbents out of office was the primaries.
We were successful several times.only to find that the NEW guy became just like the old guy, in a few years.
Coburn is just the latest example of that.
I wrote letters to the editor ..again ..not in the last 20 years ..I finally realized the uselessness of that endeavor. Some were even published.
One in particular I remember.published under the huge headline " Gun owner wishes for Fire and Sword".because I mentioned in the letter that this country was BORN by fire and sword.
I wrote and visited Congressmen ..Dole, in Kansas ..for example. Didn't stop him from voting for the Brady Bill.is SPITE of his assurances that he was "Pro-Gun" ..to me PERSONALLY.
For the last 15..perhaps 20..years, I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN.
Therefore..I waste No more of my time pursuing them.
My time is spent attempting to educate other people as to the level of government corruption and infringements on our Rights there actually is.on a one-to-one basis ..and for the last 6 years.on sites like this.
My time is spent bringing up difficult subjects that most folks don't want to hear or think about. MUCH easier to discuss `whats for dinner'.then the fact that we the American people.we consider ourselves MEN.
Yet we crawl on our bellies to exercise the most basic Right of all...t of possessing a weapon.
You are mistaken. This is one of the easier countries to obtain and own a firearm and I do it walking upright.
The framework for correcting wrongs is in place and there is more good than bad with the Republic. Are you advocating arming felons? Should gangbangers be able to walk around with automatic weapons? The BS domestic violence law should be changed, but at least it screws everyone equally.
While a little domestic violence might be called for at a later date to do a bit of social housecleaning, there currently is not justification to start a (un)civil war. These are the most terrible types of wars and should not entered into except as a last resort.
By your own admission, "I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN".
, if you are without hope, become a martyr. In a free society, it would be nice if everyone was sane and competent. It's pretty obvious, even on this board, that I wouldn't trust some with a watergun. How do you reach a happy medium respecting one's freedom, yet acknowledging some have no maturity or responsibility?
For the most part, we've (this country) has done a pretty good job. What can you or your kind offer any better?
quote:Originally posted by Highball
P3;
This is addressed directly to you. I will answer those oh-so-important questions you are so interested in.
I came to the fight in 1968, as a 19 year-old. As money permitted, I joined the NRA ..some years it lapsed. I became a life member in the early 80's.
I sent money to them in those early years.
I kicked and screamed about the 1968 Gun Law to anybody that would listen..in Politics and out..and finally began to realize that I was nearly alone..'infringement' meant little to most gun owners. Still..to this DAY...it means NOTHING to most of you.
I campaigned ..in later years, I switched parties every year or so ..because it became apparent to me the ONLY chance to get incumbents out of office was the primaries.
We were successful several times.only to find that the NEW guy became just like the old guy, in a few years.
Coburn is just the latest example of that.
I wrote letters to the editor ..again ..not in the last 20 years ..I finally realized the uselessness of that endeavor. Some were even published.
One in particular I remember.published under the huge headline " Gun owner wishes for Fire and Sword".because I mentioned in the letter that this country was BORN by fire and sword.
I wrote and visited Congressmen ..Dole, in Kansas ..for example. Didn't stop him from voting for the Brady Bill.is SPITE of his assurances that he was "Pro-Gun" ..to me PERSONALLY.
For the last 15..perhaps 20..years, I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN.
Therefore..I waste No more of my time pursuing them.
My time is spent attempting to educate other people as to the level of government corruption and infringements on our Rights there actually is.on a one-to-one basis ..and for the last 6 years.on sites like this.
My time is spent bringing up difficult subjects that most folks don't want to hear or think about. MUCH easier to discuss `whats for dinner'.then the fact that we the American people.we consider ourselves MEN.
Yet we crawl on our bellies to exercise the most basic Right of all...t of possessing a weapon.
You are mistaken. This is one of the easier countries to obtain and own a firearm and I do it walking upright.
The framework for correcting wrongs is in place and there is more good than bad with the Republic. Are you advocating arming felons? Should gangbangers be able to walk around with automatic weapons? The BS domestic violence law should be changed, but at least it screws everyone equally.
While a little domestic violence might be called for at a later date to do a bit of social housecleaning, there currently is not justification to start a (un)civil war. These are the most terrible types of wars and should not entered into except as a last resort.
By your own admission, "I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN".
, if you are without hope, become a martyr. In a free society, it would be nice if everyone was sane and competent. It's pretty obvious, even on this board, that I wouldn't trust some with a watergun. How do you reach a happy medium respecting one's freedom, yet acknowledging some have no maturity or responsibility?
For the most part, we've (this country) has done a pretty good job. What can you or your kind offer any better?
another member reveals himself. I will consider you one the family now, only by marriage and I will never come visit [:o)]
I think HB isn't offering anything, except the in your face fact that your country is violating its own Constitution. He is offering knowledge he is offering his point of view his outlook and in my opinion it is a damn good and spot on outlook!
This in reply to your question.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=311778
This sums up nicely my objections.
P3;
You feel comfortable crawling to beg permission to exercise what you laughingly call a 'right'.
I do not.
You may rationalize all you like about 'walking upright,ect"..the fact remains that I begged daddy for a gun the last time when I was 10..and never did again...until 1968. Since that time...every manjack in America...Ramboes all...have crawled and begged to buy a gun.
"No hope".??? Sorry..you have mistaken me for somebody else. Were I without hope...I would tend to my own knitting and let the rest of you be marched off to the camps.
"My kind, indeed".
My kind is why you have even these dregs of freedom left here in America. 'My kind' fought the British to a standstill.
"Your kind" fought WITH the British.
Matty,
Got a mean streak in ya' today, huh?[:D]
I did have my Wheaties this morning!
For all you gentleman who think the Supreme Court Decision was a bad thing, what woud you be saying if they said there is no individal right in the 2nd ammendment???
What is was, was insulting, and incremental. But I am glad your happy [;)]
The answer to your question is exactly the same.
You would be forced to make a decision..one you are not prepared to make, obviously.
Highball for POTUS. Someone mentioned a fan club...I'm in.
+10000000000000
For as old as the doc is he is very adept.
[brI think HB isn't offering anything, except the in your face fact that your country is violating its own Constitution. He is offering knowledge he is offering his point of view his outlook and in my opinion it is a damn good and spot on outlook!
So even you acknowledge that he is all talk. [;)]
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Do you do anything except complain to the choir?
EXCUSE ME ???? The CHOIR ??????????????????
If I had a choir that sang like you guys do...you would be sent packing.
WHAT is the argument about...if we are all 'in the choir' ??
WHY, P3, your continual personal attacks on my person, my courage, my motives ..if we all are in 'the choir' ??
Given, P3...if I give you that I am a rank coward.Do you feel better now HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY ARGUMENTS ?? Perhaps you feel a sense of inadquacy..unwilling to speak out for yourself ?
How does your calling me out continually make YOU a big man ..and me a lying sack of cowardly, agent provocateur ?
Why don't you address the issues...instead of me ?
How many times must I admit that I myself am merely one little man ..but I swing the club of words from long dead men ..men that DEMANDED..and bled for ..the freedom you enjoy today ?
Why aren't YOU demanding that same freedom.hmmm ??
Danny;
I am nothing special, friend ..look in the mirror for a picture of a good man. Men like you built America..and keep her running.
maybe he has a small BallPark Frank?!
I don't care who you are, that is some funny snit right there.[:D][:D][:D]
Thank you more then you know for the encouraging words.
Please know that P3 is right in a way..these words I use do not originate with me. They are a gift to ALL of us from long dead...and too often forgotten ..men.
The really sad thing ? That someone speaking them aloud would be considered anything except normal.
The p3's of the world OUGHT to be considered just what they are and shunned by decent men everywhere.
Men more interested in personal attacks then addressing the issues.
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
I don't deserve to be in that list but thank you.
yes, you do.[;)]
originally posted by p3skyking:
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
Well are you one of the morons that think the time to rise up is now?
You candy *, do you think killing people is fun? All of you are insane if you want a civil war to start while the rule of law is still in effect in this country. You would throw away everything the Constitution stands for. We are nowhere near having cause to rise up.
Probably no reason to worry as long as there's talking to be done, but you can kiss my * anyway.
Those of us supporting the Constitution UNDERSTAND that the weak-willed are still content to crawl on their bellies to beg from the Beast....THAT is why we unhappy with the SCOTUS the other day.
Understanding that they were flirting with an upraising...the good judges merely cut our throats quietly, efficiently and effectively.judgimg from the squeals of happiness emanating from gun owners.
THAT is why a gun ban would be a GOOD thing ..so people like YOU could no longer talk about how good things are.
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
All those in power have to do is obey the damn Constitution.and the subject will NEVER COME UP..
The only people talking about "raising up now". p3, is people like you attempting to discredit the Constitution.
Those of us supporting the Constitution UNDERSTAND that the weak-willed are still content to crawl on their bellies to beg from the Beast....THAT is why we unhappy with the SCOTUS the other day.
Understanding that they were flirting with an upraising...the good judges merely cut our throats quietly, efficiently and effectively.judgimg from the squeals of happiness emanating from gun owners.
THAT is why a gun ban would be a GOOD thing ..so people like YOU could no longer talk about how good things are.
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
All those in power have to do is obey the damn Constitution.and the subject will NEVER COME UP..
It's funny how those who can't understand what we are saying, and how we approach this issue seem to think we are ready to let the bullets fly. We, the people who understand the Constitution and want to live by it's words know that the best approach is to educate the people with it's meaning. This past year thousands have woke up and folks are waking up daily, thanks to Ron Paul. The meaning of the constitution is simple. Keep government out of peoples lives, and let them live their lives in peace and as they see fit.
I appreciate and respect Highballs, Lt496, and others posts on the subject. Even though there are some hard heads, others are getting the big picture. Keep up the excellent work fellas!
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The only people talking about "raising up now". p3, is people like you attempting to discredit the Constitution.
Those of us supporting the Constitution UNDERSTAND that the weak-willed are still content to crawl on their bellies to beg from the Beast....THAT is why we unhappy with the SCOTUS the other day.
Understanding that they were flirting with an upraising...the good judges merely cut our throats quietly, efficiently and effectively.judgimg from the squeals of happiness emanating from gun owners.
THAT is why a gun ban would be a GOOD thing ..so people like YOU could no longer talk about how good things are.
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
All those in power have to do is obey the damn Constitution.and the subject will NEVER COME UP..
It's funny how those who can't understand what we are saying, and how we approach this issue seem to think we are ready to let the bullets fly. We, the people who understand the Constitution and want to live by it's words know that the best approach is to educate the people with it's meaning. This past year thousands have woke up and folks are waking up daily, thanks to Ron Paul. The meaning of the constitution is simple. Keep government out of peoples lives, and let them live their lives in peace and as they see fit.
I appreciate and respect Highballs, Lt496, and others posts on the subject. Even though there are some hard heads, others are getting the big picture. Keep up the excellent work fellas!
Thanks for the kind words sarge. It is good to hear that the "big picture" idea is getting across to some.
Speaking for myself, I obviously do a lot of pontificating/preaching the word, albeit with an ulterior motive.
In my eyes, far too few can put their finger on the vague feeling that there is "something" wrong in society and in government.
Putting a face to that "something" and/or educating some on the base-line philosophy that feeds our ills, aka "Collectivism", is a worthy task IMO.
I'll take a verbal lashing now and again from some, to ensure that others are presented with the information of what is likely causing that feeling of "something" being wrong with America.
No guarantee that a bit of "backlash" might not occur, but then, that just keeps things interesting.[;)]
NOBODY is advocating an upraising.except you.
You backpedal beautifully but it still looks awkward as hell.
Clouder..
Well are you one of the morons that think the time to rise up is now?
You candy *, do you think killing people is fun? All of you are insane if you want a civil war to start while the rule of law is still in effect in this country. You would throw away everything the Constitution stands for. We are nowhere near having cause to rise up.
Probably no reason to worry as long as there's talking to be done, but you can kiss my * anyway.
P3,
You just do not get it, do you? None of us have made mere mention of "wanting" to kill, nor have we even suggested that it would be "fun" to do so. War is not something one wishes for, and no one despises it more than those charged with fighting it.
What we want is simple; for those in government to respect, and follow, the Constitution of the United States. That's it. If that were done, you'd not here any complaints from us at all on the subject. For the life of me, I do not understand why it is so difficult for our leaders to follow the laws that bind them as they expect we, the people, to follow the laws they pass, even though many are in direct violation of the Constitution. You are insorrect in your assessment that we wish to "throw away" everything the Constitution stands for; on the contrary. We wish to see a restoration of this Republic following the principles set forth in that document.
You think us to be uncivilized, but I made it through my entire post without so much as calling you one name, yet you resorted to it twice within the first nineteen words of your respone to my post. Who's the one exhibiting uncivilized behavior?
Nobody asked you, Clouder.
There is a tremendous difference between advocating a civil war.and promising one if political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The people of the united states of America will make it happen at some point in time.even if people like you couldn't be bothered.
One does not have to be a sooth-sayer to believe that the entire population of America is not beaten down slugs.even if every body you know is.
I realize the difficulty you will have comprehending the fact that there is absolutely no sign that political leaders intend obeying the Constitution..and they will eventually stray so far over the line the people take it back.
quote:You backpedal beautifully but it still looks awkward as hell.
Nobody asked you, Clouder.
There is a tremendous difference between advocating a civil war.and promising one if political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The people of the united states of America will make it happen at some point in time.even if people like you couldn't be bothered.
One does not have to be a sooth-sayer to believe that the entire population of America is not beaten down slugs.even if every body you know is.
I realize the difficulty you will have comprehending the fact that there is absolutely no sign that political leaders intend obeying the Constitution..and they will eventually stray so far over the line the people take it back.
Highball I thank you for thoughts and speach. The "gentlemen" that are attacking you and your like either have not or will not take the time to read. 2nd paragraph "Declaration of Independence" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty,and the prusuit of Happiness.-- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,-- [red]That whenever any Form of Government becomes detructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.Prudence,indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, that to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Depotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. [/red] It also appears that most of the elected politicians can neither read and comprehend or worst choose to subvert our fine Declaration of Independence.
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by p3skyking:
Will all the blowhards that think the time for revolution is now, start revolting.
You fellows can think anything you want but to * about something you have neiter the guts or recourses to fix is nothing but jacking off, especially if it's something that works. But why let that stop you? Dream on....
P3,
Your post speaks volumes about the type of individual you are.
If this Republic is ever restored to what it ought to be, it will be the patriots; the Highballs, the lt496s, the heffleys, the kyplumbers, the ECCs and elkholics that do it. The P3s will do as they always do; choose comfort over confrontation, and be content to sit on the sidelines, criticizing and antagonizing those who have the heart and guts for something the P3s of the world do do not.[:(!]
Well are you one of the morons that think the time to rise up is now?
You candy *, do you think killing people is fun? All of you are insane if you want a civil war to start while the rule of law is still in effect in this country. You would throw away everything the Constitution stands for. We are nowhere near having cause to rise up.
Probably no reason to worry as long as there's talking to be done, but you can kiss my * anyway.
P3 the arrogant elitists have spoken!! How dare you. You are not one of them, so you have no rights.
Just obey so they can remain elite.[xx(]
quote:You backpedal beautifully but it still looks awkward as hell.
Nobody asked you, Clouder.
There is a tremendous difference between advocating a civil war.and promising one if political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The people of the united states of America will make it happen at some point in time.even if people like you couldn't be bothered.
One does not have to be a sooth-sayer to believe that the entire population of America is not beaten down slugs.even if every body you know is.
I realize the difficulty you will have comprehending the fact that there is absolutely no sign that political leaders intend obeying the Constitution..and they will eventually stray so far over the line the people take it back.
Now you're sputtering . . .sure indication you feel caught out.
"if people like you couldn't be bothered."
Don't put words in my mouth, you're not even remotely qualified to do so.
Clouder..
..., you're not even remotely qualified to do so.
Clouder..
while we look up at you, do you want us to call you sir?
quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
..., you're not even remotely qualified to do so.
Clouder..
while we look up at you, do you want us to call you sir?
You may call me whatever you please and if you don't like your perspective, get off your knees.
Clouder..
You may call me whatever you please and if you don't like your perspective, get off your knees.
Clouder..
Yeah you are on rocks.