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Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
The above is about as far off point as I have ever seen.
Seems to me, any "bitching" being done, is over the SCROTUS codifying that government has the Constitutional Authority to "regulate" who, what, when and where an American Citizen can exercise his new SCROTUS ruled "privilege".
Call me crazy, but that seemed to be the point, not the straw-men you set up in a couple of your posts, ala this one and the below quote.
quote: What a crop of junior Walter Mitty's we're growing this year.
The Supreme Court decision was the best possible outcome. Our side prevailed. If you think having it go the other way would have been better, then get a sign that says you're an idiot.
You just like to *? Well then change your rag because this one is worn out
Hmmm, go figure...
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
What a crop of junior Walter Mitty's we're growing this year.
The Supreme Court decision was the best possible outcome. Our side prevailed. If you think having it go the other way would have been better, then get a sign that says you're an idiot.
You just like to *? Well then change your rag because this one is worn out.
The best possible outcome would have been 9-0 and an immediate repeal of all Federal Firearms Laws. That would have consumated a clear Constitutional Finding. This is a mute subject as the elitist have started an ammunition campaign in 13 states,which will render our muskets to nothing more than sticks without powder and ball. Lets see how the Supreme Court deals with the EPA. We wouldn't want that dangerous lead posioning rampant in Amerika. Think they didn't see this coming. As a hunter you well know how the dangerous lead has effected waterfowl hunting. Your primers are next as the components are a danger to society. Oh, they have the answer already, primer compounds they are eviromently friendly. What your rounds will only last 2 years in storage,that might be a little rough in an armed surrection.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
quote:Originally posted by steve45
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
Steve,
He has always tried to incite people without risking anything himself. He is the kind you do not want watching your back. Trouble is, he has always been this way ever since he arrived, regardless of the subject. He's a Terry Nichols in search of a Timothy McVay.
quote:Originally posted by steve45
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
Funny, All I see in the link is a short statement from Highball, as follows:quote:For all who won't believe the truth from 'radical right wing extremist's' about the militia...maybe you will believe 'your president' ? Attached to his post in your link, is a C&P of an editorial from the American Rifleman, December 2002.
Hell, I am not even sure of the context of HB's statement and the C&P.
What is the big issue that you and p3skyking are having over it?
Mountains out of molehills, due to disagreement with what he says about the SCROTUS ruling perhaps?
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by steve45
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
Steve,
He has always tried to incite people without risking anything himself. He is the kind you do not want watching your back. Trouble is, he has always been this way ever since he arrived, regardless of the subject. He's a Terry Nichols in search of a Timothy McVay.
I'm a new poster to this forum,but I've been reading here for some time.I read alot. If I were to compare the writings in the Constitution, Federalist Papers, Antifederalists Papers and the writings of our founding fathers and Highball, I guess if you call him Terry Nichols we'd have change the names of Jefferson,Hancock,and the like to suit your tastes.
Actually ..just as a clarification for the rather...ehh ..simple-minded among us ..those 'words' appear to be a C&P from Hesston...another hero of the sold-out New Americans among us.
I used the poor fools words as a club with which to beat those denying the history and reality of the Militia..
As for the Supreme Court case ..oh, yes indeed.I have been talking about it for MANY years ..as a desperately needed device to smoke out the cowards, quislings, and Beast-lovers that infest gun-owners circles.
The Second Amendment I required was one directed towards federal government controls of firearms.not some individual denied a gun because of a city ordinance.
The lawyer arguing the case was SUPPOSED to represent the CONSTITUTION ..not the government.
This case was argued from the quicksand of acceptance of government controls. Trojan Horse.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The majority of respondents on this forum..and across America, obviously ..have been cheering wildly since the SCOTUS decision the other day.
Well ..FINALLY ..you supporters of that decision find yourself firmly in the camp of Dodd, Shumer, Sarah Brady, Fiendstein, Kennedy, Bill Gates.every gun hating politician and businessman socialist/Fascist puke that ever lived.
You see.every one of them have declared at one time or another that they have no real desire to `take away guns' ..that there is a right to own guns. ( just certain guns, in some cases) ..and ALWAYS with `Reasonable Restrictions'.
Pretty much what the SCOTUS declared.
Maybe I should rethink my position. After all.I am opposed by SUCH an august group.
All those stinking corrupt politicians, greedy ethically challenged businessmen ..and now the bulk of the gun-owning community.
On second thought ..nahhh .one dead Founder equals the whole pack of you.
Bert, once again, you've hit the nail on the head. Basically, SCOTUS gives us the right to have a gun, but only the gun the Anti's say we can have. What victory is there to celebrate in that decision?
quote:Originally posted by brier-49
Well this ought to go over like a lead balloon,but,there are 80-100 million gun owners in this country.Obviously many of them are turning out to VOTE. If they were we would not be in this predictament. All who don't vote have an excuse<I'm a trap shooter doesn't apply to me, I only hunt big game in Africa, doesn't apply to me. All lame excuses but they still don't VOTE. Not only are we in trouble with Presidential race this year,but every otherfed and local race needs a vote in favor of our rights. VOTE this year.
Geez man, voting for the right candidate should be about as automatic as breathing. Hell, our opponents also vote and they donate their time,money and effort in order to help their candidate win. We gun people need to do more of that. If any of us are too lazy to do that, then turn loose of a little money and prop up one of the few good national gun rights organizations and let them do the work for you.
BTW, I do agree that more gun owners need to vote, as you stated, but to win we need much, much more than just going to the polls once every 4 years. Our anti-gun opponents seem to work 7 days a week against us and they seem very well funded. We gun people need to do more.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Actually ..just as a clarification for the rather...ehh ..simple-minded among us ..those 'words' appear to be a C&P from Hesston...another hero of the sold-out New Americans among us.
I used the poor fools words as a club with which to beat those denying the history and reality of the Militia..
As for the Supreme Court case ..oh, yes indeed.I have been talking about it for MANY years ..as a desperately needed device to smoke out the cowards, quislings, and Beast-lovers that infest gun-owners circles.
The Second Amendment I required was one directed towards federal government controls of firearms.not some individual denied a gun because of a city ordinance.
The lawyer arguing the case was SUPPOSED to represent the CONSTITUTION ..not the government.
This case was argued from the quicksand of acceptance of government controls. Trojan Horse.
Seemed patently obvious to me that the words were from the December 2002 American Rifleman and particularly when you "said" so in you short post.
As I referred to in my response, above a couple posts here.[;)]
Highball, you'd think that if someone were going to make an attack on you, that they'd pick something that actually had merit.
lt496, I didnt attack the man, what I wrote is what he thinks. As much as you guys feel that your suffering under the weight of a un-just government, most of us feel free and are happy with our lives. Lt496 make sure your compadre personally casts the first stone. Dont ever drink the kool-aid.
Captain, that old post was a thrust at those that denied the Militia...their validity, their legitimate function according to the Founders, and the fact that EVERY man ..save for the exceptions noted in Title 10 ..was a member of the unorganized Militia.
Every man, that is, except for the weasel wimps we have running around today, denying their history.
quote:Originally posted by steve45
lt496, I didnt attack the man, what I wrote is what he thinks. As much as you guys feel that your suffering under the weight of a un-just government, most of us feel free and are happy with our lives. Lt496 make sure your compadre personally casts the first stone. Dont ever drink the kool-aid.
Fair enough steve.
As to the remainder of your post, don't tell me what it is that I "feel" please. I am the sole arbiter of my feelings.
Simply because I utilize this forum in an attempt to "educate" readers, in my own way, that does not mean that I say that I have no freedoms, or that I hate my country, or that I am unhappy with my life.
Government is the issue, not our Constitutional Republic "form" of government, not America itself, except in the sense of where she is being herded by said government, but collectivist, predatory government.
Keep your eye on the ball.
In light of the steady progression into a more and more collectivist state, I feel it is critical to shine the bright light of scrutiny on what is being fed to the people by government.
Nothing will ever change toward more individual liberties, unless and until that vague feeling that "something" isn't right, can be identified.
That is what my focus is on, identifying that "something".
And by the way, I don't drink kool-aid. I march to my own drummer and my eyes are wide open.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Captain, that old post was a thrust at those that denied the Militia...their validity, their legitimate function according to the Founders, and the fact that EVERY man ..save for the exceptions noted in Title 10 ..was a member of the unorganized Militia.
Every man, that is, except for the weasel wimps we have running around today, denying their history.
HB, I saw that it was militia related, but wasn't sure if it was part of a larger exchange of ideas that were not presented in the link.
I saw no contradiction in your position in the 2002 link, to what you commented on in reference to the SCROTUS ruling recently.
quote:Lt496 make sure your compadre personally casts the first stone. Dont ever drink the kool-aid.
Little Stevie is purely amusing, here...most of the responses that appear to be 'supporting' me are actually supporting the Constitution of the US...not me PERSONALLY.
Several of the respondents are several cuts above me, on the food chain of life, and the idea that this is some sort of 'cult' is perfectly indicative of the mindset of the accuser..that of New American.
Question little, think little, obey, eat, sleep, BUYBUYBUY..vote democratrepublican, whichever poison tastes better to you..and above ALL;
Hate anybody pointing out the chains around your ankles.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
the idea that this is some sort of 'cult' is perfectly indicative of the mindset of the accuser..that of New American.
They are the cult, and if our forefathers were here to testify, they would be the first to tell us that the second amendment was to allow us to protect ourselves from those that would take office then try to lord some power over us rather than represent us and our will.
The New American wants everyone to obey the government and looks to them for protection, support and survival. We should be self supporting and responsible for ourselves and our family. We should never expect a government bus to take us away from the approaching hurricane, yet there we stand, looking for the government bus, and a handout to follow. Then if it doesn't happen, we want to sue the government and have them support us for the rest of our pitiful lives.
Sorry guys Im not a "New American" I come from a family that said "No Blood, No Bandaid" Other than taxes and a government that spends them in ways I dont always approve of Im not feeling any government caused pain. My father paid taxes, Im sure his father paid taxes. Is this the sole thorn in your side that is too much to bear?
quote:Originally posted by MT357
You might be surprised to know how many people care what Highball thinks. I find I agree with him more often than not.
quote:Originally posted by steve45
Sorry guys Im not a "New American" I come from a family that said "No Blood, No Bandaid" Other than taxes and a government that spends them in ways I dont always approve of Im not feeling any government caused pain. My father paid taxes, Im sure his father paid taxes. Is this the sole thorn in your side that is too much to bear?
Sorry guys Im not a "New American" I come from a family that said "No Blood, No Bandaid" Other than taxes and a government that spends them in ways I dont always approve of Im not feeling any government caused pain. My father paid taxes, Im sure his father paid taxes. Is this the sole thorn in your side that is too much to bear?
According to your response then, it matters not to you that:
1) Filling out a 4473 is unconstitutional
2) Being approved for a CCW permit is unconstitutional
3) Restrictions on firearm type/mag capacity/etc is unconstitutional
4) News flash: the system of taxation we have now is unconstitutional
5) etc, etc, etc
Are you beginning to see the point yet, or are you content to remain comfortably numb to these usurpations?
Wsfiredude, Ive seen this argument before, where you dont want any rules at all about anything because its not in the constitution. But can we agree that there need to be rules for everyday acts that the constitution wont cover. As an example driving a car. Is it bad that we license people to drive a car? Is it bad that we dont allow people under 15 to drive on public roads? Ive filled out several 4473s (if thats the one to buy a gun) Most of the world cant buy a gun, we have to fill out a form. Is that too much to bear? I know you think that this will lead to confiscation, but does'nt this new ruling from the SC help to avert that? If you want to worst case every action in life then you'd best stop having sex. After all, that can kill you.
Steve45;
I do not expect you to understand the mindset of a man that yearns to live free...or die.
I have been attempting to find a thread I post every so often ..about once a year.
A Patriots' Dream...starts out..
"I had a dream the other night I did not understand"...goes on from there and details MUCH of what I find wrong about today.
I cannot find it..
The list is entirely too long to roll it out. A brief study of the Constitution DETAILS about 18 areas that the federal government is to be involved in. NOTING ELSE was authorized the politicians by their bosses.US.
Suffice it to say that I myself would have had a gunshop and rifle range many years ago ..had the government been out of the tyranny game.
I refuse to bow the knee to the Beast to the extent one MUST.to run a gun shop.
You may well feel `free'.the fact is.you are the most ruled, regulated, and lawed-to-death individual in the world.
You break laws EVERY DAY...you just don't know those laws...and the JBTS's haven't singled you out yet.
Your world is coming apart at the seams ..and all your-head-buried-in-the-sand changes that fact not at all.
The legislatures meet every year ..for what seems to be ALL year.and they steadily pass more and more laws .every year.
Those laws are taking Sovereignty away from you...and depositing it in the government ..the direct opposite of what the Founders intended.
Wsfiredude, Ive seen this argument before, where you dont want any rules at all about anything because its not in the constitution. But can we agree that there need to be rules for everyday acts that the constitution wont cover. As an example driving a car. Is it bad that we license people to drive a car? Is it bad that we dont allow people under 15 to drive on public roads?
Steve,
you have taken a page out of the Schumer/Feinstein playbook. Operation of a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right. Big difference.
Ive filled out several 4473s (if thats the one to buy a gun) Most of the world cant buy a gun, we have to fill out a form. Is that too much to bear?
This is not most of the world; it is America, and the Constitution of the United States clearly affirms a RTKBA free from government intervention. Yeah, i fill out a 4473 when I purchase from a dealer, and I cringe every time I do, because it is a blatant violation of the Constitution.
I know you think that this will lead to confiscation,
In time, it will
but does'nt this new ruling from the SC help to avert that?
No, it does not.
If you want to worst case every action in life then you'd best stop having sex. After all, that can kill you.
I do not "worst case" every action in my life, but the goverment expects me to follow the law, and DAMMIT, i believe it is high time for them to do the same.[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Steve45;
I do not expect you to understand the mindset of a man that yearns to live free...or die.
I have been attempting to find a thread I post every so often ..about once a year.
A Patriots' Dream...starts out..
"I had a dream the other night I did not understand"...goes on from there and details MUCH of what I find wrong about today.
I cannot find it..
The list is entirely too long to roll it out. A brief study of the Constitution DETAILS about 18 areas that the federal government is to be involved in. NOTING ELSE was authorized the politicians by their bosses.US.
Suffice it to say that I myself would have had a gunshop and rifle range many years ago ..had the government been out of the tyranny game.
I refuse to bow the knee to the Beast to the extent one MUST.to run a gun shop.
You may well feel `free'.the fact is.you are the most ruled, regulated, and lawed-to-death individual in the world.
You break laws EVERY DAY...you just don't know those laws...and the JBTS's haven't singled you out yet.
Your world is coming apart at the seams ..and all your-head-buried-in-the-sand changes that fact not at all.
The legislatures meet every year ..for what seems to be ALL year.and they steadily pass more and more laws .every year.
Those laws are taking Sovereignty away from you...and depositing it in the government ..the direct opposite of what the Founders intended.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
Steve45;
I do not expect you to understand the mindset of a man that yearns to live free...or die.
I have been attempting to find a thread I post every so often ..about once a year.
A Patriots' Dream...starts out..
"I had a dream the other night I did not understand"...goes on from there and details MUCH of what I find wrong about today.
I cannot find it..
The list is entirely too long to roll it out. A brief study of the Constitution DETAILS about 18 areas that the federal government is to be involved in. NOTING ELSE was authorized the politicians by their bosses.US.
Suffice it to say that I myself would have had a gunshop and rifle range many years ago ..had the government been out of the tyranny game.
I refuse to bow the knee to the Beast to the extent one MUST.to run a gun shop.
You may well feel `free'.the fact is.you are the most ruled, regulated, and lawed-to-death individual in the world.
You break laws EVERY DAY...you just don't know those laws...and the JBTS's haven't singled you out yet.
Your world is coming apart at the seams ..and all your-head-buried-in-the-sand changes that fact not at all.
The legislatures meet every year ..for what seems to be ALL year.and they steadily pass more and more laws .every year.
Those laws are taking Sovereignty away from you...and depositing it in the government ..the direct opposite of what the Founders intended.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
P3,
and you'd lose your *. Patriots are hard to come by, but not hard to spot
Highball, I have to disagree on some points. I am not the most ruled, regulated and lawed to death individual in the world. I do not break laws every day. My world is not coming apart at the seams. If these things were happening I would notice. Its going to take a lot more than filling out a simple form, to get what I want, to make me believe that Im oppressed. Again if you want to view every law to its worst interpretation the world could be bad. I dont see that anyones doing that yet. On the day that they do, your right.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
I see you have never met Burt. You would be hard pressed to keep up with him at the front lines the day the first shot is fired. He is exactly the person he represents himself to be. Nothing more, nothing less.
Mike, Burt is a one of a kind, honest to the core patriot and defender of the constitution. I think you would be impressed if you ever say and talked to him.
Quote Highball......You see.every one of them have declared at one time or another that they have no real desire to `take away guns' ..that there is a right to own guns. ( just certain guns, in some cases) ..and ALWAYS with `Reasonable Restrictions'
Yeh, But they were lying when they said that, so we win and they loose. They have always wanted to take away our guns.... just a little at a time.
quote:Do you do anything except complain to the choir?
EXCUSE ME ???? The CHOIR ??????????????????
If I had a choir that sang like you guys do...you would be sent packing.
WHAT is the argument about...if we are all 'in the choir' ??
WHY, P3, your continual personal attacks on my person, my courage, my motives ..if we all are in 'the choir' ??
Given, P3...if I give you that I am a rank coward.Do you feel better now HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY ARGUMENTS ?? Perhaps you feel a sense of inadquacy..unwilling to speak out for yourself ?
How does your calling me out continually make YOU a big man ..and me a lying sack of cowardly, agent provocateur ?
Why don't you address the issues...instead of me ?
How many times must I admit that I myself am merely one little man ..but I swing the club of words from long dead men ..men that DEMANDED..and bled for ..the freedom you enjoy today ?
Why aren't YOU demanding that same freedom.hmmm ??
Danny;
I am nothing special, friend ..look in the mirror for a picture of a good man. Men like you built America..and keep her running.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Do you do anything except complain to the choir?
EXCUSE ME ???? The CHOIR ??????????????????
If I had a choir that sang like you guys do...you would be sent packing.
WHAT is the argument about...if we are all 'in the choir' ??
WHY, P3, your continual personal attacks on my person, my courage, my motives ..if we all are in 'the choir' ??
Given, P3...if I give you that I am a rank coward.Do you feel better now HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY ARGUMENTS ?? Perhaps you feel a sense of inadquacy..unwilling to speak out for yourself ?
How does your calling me out continually make YOU a big man ..and me a lying sack of cowardly, agent provocateur ?
Why don't you address the issues...instead of me ?
How many times must I admit that I myself am merely one little man ..but I swing the club of words from long dead men ..men that DEMANDED..and bled for ..the freedom you enjoy today ?
Why aren't YOU demanding that same freedom.hmmm ??
Danny;
I am nothing special, friend ..look in the mirror for a picture of a good man. Men like you built America..and keep her running.
Maybe I just won't ask other men to do anything I wouldn't do myself. This original post still has not been answered, by you or your fan club.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
It comes down to two choices. You can either work within the system and change the system, or you can violently overthrow the system.
If you work within the system, you have a good chance of being able to look down the road you are taking and have a good idea of where you are going and what will happen when you get there.
If you chose civil war, and many here seem to want, you can in no way predict what your world will be like when the dust settles. But I guarantee you that when the dust DOES settle, some group/person will make new laws and rules. YOu may like those new laws and rules even less than they ones you complain about now. And I can also guarantee you that whom ever is left in charge after the civil war is over will impose some kind of gun control to make sure that what the rebels have just done will not be done to them.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
It comes down to two choices. You can either work within the system and change the system, or you can violently overthrow the system.
If you work within the system, you have a good chance of being able to look down the road you are taking and have a good idea of where you are going and what will happen when you get there.
If you chose civil war, and many here seem to want, you can in no way predict what your world will be like when the dust settles. But I guarantee you that when the dust DOES settle, some group/person will make new laws and rules. YOu may like those new laws and rules even less than they ones you complain about now. And I can also guarantee you that whom ever is left in charge after the civil war is over will impose some kind of gun control to make sure that what the rebels have just done will not be done to them.
Like it or leave it, but those are the facts.
I disagree. If there is ever a civil war here in the US, it will be to return our country to the Constitution...those who love the Constitution are the only men who have the fortitude to fight such a war. Should that day come, we will return to our roots. I do not believe it ever will though, b/c IMO America is not mentioned in end times prophecy. I believe this nation will fall and I believe it will happen soon...b/c I believe we are in the very last days.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Maybe I just won't ask other men to do anything I wouldn't do myself. This original post still has not been answered, by you or your fan club.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
Probably because you ain't doing jack shiite.
I don't know what he is doing, but I buy ammo. I "espouse" my viewpoint on everyone that will listen. I will vote for Ron Paul in the presidential election. I support friends!
I have never met Highball in the real world, but what I know of him from speaking online with him I feel like he is a VERY good friend of mine.
A friend will help you move a good friend will help you move a body
P3;
This is addressed directly to you. I will answer those oh-so-important questions you are so interested in.
I came to the fight in 1968, as a 19 year-old. As money permitted, I joined the NRA ..some years it lapsed. I became a life member in the early 80's.
I sent money to them in those early years.
I kicked and screamed about the 1968 Gun Law to anybody that would listen..in Politics and out..and finally began to realize that I was nearly alone..'infringement' meant little to most gun owners. Still..to this DAY...it means NOTHING to most of you.
I campaigned ..in later years, I switched parties every year or so ..because it became apparent to me the ONLY chance to get incumbents out of office was the primaries.
We were successful several times.only to find that the NEW guy became just like the old guy, in a few years.
Coburn is just the latest example of that.
I wrote letters to the editor ..again ..not in the last 20 years ..I finally realized the uselessness of that endeavor. Some were even published.
One in particular I remember.published under the huge headline " Gun owner wishes for Fire and Sword".because I mentioned in the letter that this country was BORN by fire and sword.
I wrote and visited Congressmen ..Dole, in Kansas ..for example. Didn't stop him from voting for the Brady Bill.is SPITE of his assurances that he was "Pro-Gun" ..to me PERSONALLY.
For the last 15..perhaps 20..years, I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN.
Therefore..I waste No more of my time pursuing them.
My time is spent attempting to educate other people as to the level of government corruption and infringements on our Rights there actually is.on a one-to-one basis ..and for the last 6 years.on sites like this.
My time is spent bringing up difficult subjects that most folks don't want to hear or think about. MUCH easier to discuss `whats for dinner'.then the fact that we the American people.we consider ourselves MEN.
Yet we crawl on our bellies to exercise the most basic Right of all...t of possessing a weapon.
Comments
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39409
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39409
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
The above is about as far off point as I have ever seen.
Seems to me, any "bitching" being done, is over the SCROTUS codifying that government has the Constitutional Authority to "regulate" who, what, when and where an American Citizen can exercise his new SCROTUS ruled "privilege".
Call me crazy, but that seemed to be the point, not the straw-men you set up in a couple of your posts, ala this one and the below quote.
quote: What a crop of junior Walter Mitty's we're growing this year.
The Supreme Court decision was the best possible outcome. Our side prevailed. If you think having it go the other way would have been better, then get a sign that says you're an idiot.
You just like to *? Well then change your rag because this one is worn out
Hmmm, go figure...
What a crop of junior Walter Mitty's we're growing this year.
The Supreme Court decision was the best possible outcome. Our side prevailed. If you think having it go the other way would have been better, then get a sign that says you're an idiot.
You just like to *? Well then change your rag because this one is worn out.
The best possible outcome would have been 9-0 and an immediate repeal of all Federal Firearms Laws. That would have consumated a clear Constitutional Finding. This is a mute subject as the elitist have started an ammunition campaign in 13 states,which will render our muskets to nothing more than sticks without powder and ball. Lets see how the Supreme Court deals with the EPA. We wouldn't want that dangerous lead posioning rampant in Amerika. Think they didn't see this coming. As a hunter you well know how the dangerous lead has effected waterfowl hunting. Your primers are next as the components are a danger to society. Oh, they have the answer already, primer compounds they are eviromently friendly. What your rounds will only last 2 years in storage,that might be a little rough in an armed surrection.
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39409
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39409
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
Steve,
He has always tried to incite people without risking anything himself. He is the kind you do not want watching your back. Trouble is, he has always been this way ever since he arrived, regardless of the subject. He's a Terry Nichols in search of a Timothy McVay.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39409
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
Funny, All I see in the link is a short statement from Highball, as follows:quote:For all who won't believe the truth from 'radical right wing extremist's' about the militia...maybe you will believe 'your president' ? Attached to his post in your link, is a C&P of an editorial from the American Rifleman, December 2002.
Hell, I am not even sure of the context of HB's statement and the C&P.
What is the big issue that you and p3skyking are having over it?
Mountains out of molehills, due to disagreement with what he says about the SCROTUS ruling perhaps?
Oh my[:0][:o)][;)]
quote:Originally posted by steve45
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Some folks just can't be satisfied.
Highball is bitching about the Supreme Court decision affirming that the 2nd Admendment is an individual right, yet just a few years ago it appears that's what he wanted;
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39409
Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it (then you have to complain about something else).
P3skyking, Those are the words of Highball in 2002. The Highball of 2008 is giving up politics and has now decided that the only way to freedom is REVOLUTION. In his opinion anybody who votes is a simple minded sheeple. Anybody who doesn't think the way he does is crawling on his knees under the weight of government. This obvious victory for gun rights (that he himself championed in 2002) makes all his recent ideas seem wrong. There's no way hes going to admit he may be wrong.
Steve,
He has always tried to incite people without risking anything himself. He is the kind you do not want watching your back. Trouble is, he has always been this way ever since he arrived, regardless of the subject. He's a Terry Nichols in search of a Timothy McVay.
I'm a new poster to this forum,but I've been reading here for some time.I read alot. If I were to compare the writings in the Constitution, Federalist Papers, Antifederalists Papers and the writings of our founding fathers and Highball, I guess if you call him Terry Nichols we'd have change the names of Jefferson,Hancock,and the like to suit your tastes.
I used the poor fools words as a club with which to beat those denying the history and reality of the Militia..
As for the Supreme Court case ..oh, yes indeed.I have been talking about it for MANY years ..as a desperately needed device to smoke out the cowards, quislings, and Beast-lovers that infest gun-owners circles.
The Second Amendment I required was one directed towards federal government controls of firearms.not some individual denied a gun because of a city ordinance.
The lawyer arguing the case was SUPPOSED to represent the CONSTITUTION ..not the government.
This case was argued from the quicksand of acceptance of government controls. Trojan Horse.
The majority of respondents on this forum..and across America, obviously ..have been cheering wildly since the SCOTUS decision the other day.
Well ..FINALLY ..you supporters of that decision find yourself firmly in the camp of Dodd, Shumer, Sarah Brady, Fiendstein, Kennedy, Bill Gates.every gun hating politician and businessman socialist/Fascist puke that ever lived.
You see.every one of them have declared at one time or another that they have no real desire to `take away guns' ..that there is a right to own guns. ( just certain guns, in some cases) ..and ALWAYS with `Reasonable Restrictions'.
Pretty much what the SCOTUS declared.
Maybe I should rethink my position. After all.I am opposed by SUCH an august group.
All those stinking corrupt politicians, greedy ethically challenged businessmen ..and now the bulk of the gun-owning community.
On second thought ..nahhh .one dead Founder equals the whole pack of you.
Bert, once again, you've hit the nail on the head. Basically, SCOTUS gives us the right to have a gun, but only the gun the Anti's say we can have. What victory is there to celebrate in that decision?
Well this ought to go over like a lead balloon,but,there are 80-100 million gun owners in this country.Obviously many of them are turning out to VOTE. If they were we would not be in this predictament. All who don't vote have an excuse<I'm a trap shooter doesn't apply to me, I only hunt big game in Africa, doesn't apply to me. All lame excuses but they still don't VOTE. Not only are we in trouble with Presidential race this year,but every otherfed and local race needs a vote in favor of our rights. VOTE this year.
Geez man, voting for the right candidate should be about as automatic as breathing. Hell, our opponents also vote and they donate their time,money and effort in order to help their candidate win. We gun people need to do more of that. If any of us are too lazy to do that, then turn loose of a little money and prop up one of the few good national gun rights organizations and let them do the work for you.
BTW, I do agree that more gun owners need to vote, as you stated, but to win we need much, much more than just going to the polls once every 4 years. Our anti-gun opponents seem to work 7 days a week against us and they seem very well funded. We gun people need to do more.
Actually ..just as a clarification for the rather...ehh ..simple-minded among us ..those 'words' appear to be a C&P from Hesston...another hero of the sold-out New Americans among us.
I used the poor fools words as a club with which to beat those denying the history and reality of the Militia..
As for the Supreme Court case ..oh, yes indeed.I have been talking about it for MANY years ..as a desperately needed device to smoke out the cowards, quislings, and Beast-lovers that infest gun-owners circles.
The Second Amendment I required was one directed towards federal government controls of firearms.not some individual denied a gun because of a city ordinance.
The lawyer arguing the case was SUPPOSED to represent the CONSTITUTION ..not the government.
This case was argued from the quicksand of acceptance of government controls. Trojan Horse.
Seemed patently obvious to me that the words were from the December 2002 American Rifleman and particularly when you "said" so in you short post.
As I referred to in my response, above a couple posts here.[;)]
Highball, you'd think that if someone were going to make an attack on you, that they'd pick something that actually had merit.
Geez....Go figure.
Every man, that is, except for the weasel wimps we have running around today, denying their history.
lt496, I didnt attack the man, what I wrote is what he thinks. As much as you guys feel that your suffering under the weight of a un-just government, most of us feel free and are happy with our lives. Lt496 make sure your compadre personally casts the first stone. Dont ever drink the kool-aid.
Fair enough steve.
As to the remainder of your post, don't tell me what it is that I "feel" please. I am the sole arbiter of my feelings.
Simply because I utilize this forum in an attempt to "educate" readers, in my own way, that does not mean that I say that I have no freedoms, or that I hate my country, or that I am unhappy with my life.
Government is the issue, not our Constitutional Republic "form" of government, not America itself, except in the sense of where she is being herded by said government, but collectivist, predatory government.
Keep your eye on the ball.
In light of the steady progression into a more and more collectivist state, I feel it is critical to shine the bright light of scrutiny on what is being fed to the people by government.
Nothing will ever change toward more individual liberties, unless and until that vague feeling that "something" isn't right, can be identified.
That is what my focus is on, identifying that "something".
And by the way, I don't drink kool-aid. I march to my own drummer and my eyes are wide open.
How about you?
Captain, that old post was a thrust at those that denied the Militia...their validity, their legitimate function according to the Founders, and the fact that EVERY man ..save for the exceptions noted in Title 10 ..was a member of the unorganized Militia.
Every man, that is, except for the weasel wimps we have running around today, denying their history.
HB, I saw that it was militia related, but wasn't sure if it was part of a larger exchange of ideas that were not presented in the link.
I saw no contradiction in your position in the 2002 link, to what you commented on in reference to the SCROTUS ruling recently.
Little Stevie is purely amusing, here...most of the responses that appear to be 'supporting' me are actually supporting the Constitution of the US...not me PERSONALLY.
Several of the respondents are several cuts above me, on the food chain of life, and the idea that this is some sort of 'cult' is perfectly indicative of the mindset of the accuser..that of New American.
Question little, think little, obey, eat, sleep, BUYBUYBUY..vote democratrepublican, whichever poison tastes better to you..and above ALL;
Hate anybody pointing out the chains around your ankles.
the idea that this is some sort of 'cult' is perfectly indicative of the mindset of the accuser..that of New American.
They are the cult, and if our forefathers were here to testify, they would be the first to tell us that the second amendment was to allow us to protect ourselves from those that would take office then try to lord some power over us rather than represent us and our will.
The New American wants everyone to obey the government and looks to them for protection, support and survival. We should be self supporting and responsible for ourselves and our family. We should never expect a government bus to take us away from the approaching hurricane, yet there we stand, looking for the government bus, and a handout to follow. Then if it doesn't happen, we want to sue the government and have them support us for the rest of our pitiful lives.
Makes me sick.
You might be surprised to know how many people care what Highball thinks. I find I agree with him more often than not.
+1
Sorry guys Im not a "New American" I come from a family that said "No Blood, No Bandaid" Other than taxes and a government that spends them in ways I dont always approve of Im not feeling any government caused pain. My father paid taxes, Im sure his father paid taxes. Is this the sole thorn in your side that is too much to bear?
Ignorant people is the thorn in his side...
Sorry guys Im not a "New American" I come from a family that said "No Blood, No Bandaid" Other than taxes and a government that spends them in ways I dont always approve of Im not feeling any government caused pain. My father paid taxes, Im sure his father paid taxes. Is this the sole thorn in your side that is too much to bear?
According to your response then, it matters not to you that:
1) Filling out a 4473 is unconstitutional
2) Being approved for a CCW permit is unconstitutional
3) Restrictions on firearm type/mag capacity/etc is unconstitutional
4) News flash: the system of taxation we have now is unconstitutional
5) etc, etc, etc
Are you beginning to see the point yet, or are you content to remain comfortably numb to these usurpations?
I do not expect you to understand the mindset of a man that yearns to live free...or die.
I have been attempting to find a thread I post every so often ..about once a year.
A Patriots' Dream...starts out..
"I had a dream the other night I did not understand"...goes on from there and details MUCH of what I find wrong about today.
I cannot find it..
The list is entirely too long to roll it out. A brief study of the Constitution DETAILS about 18 areas that the federal government is to be involved in. NOTING ELSE was authorized the politicians by their bosses.US.
Suffice it to say that I myself would have had a gunshop and rifle range many years ago ..had the government been out of the tyranny game.
I refuse to bow the knee to the Beast to the extent one MUST.to run a gun shop.
You may well feel `free'.the fact is.you are the most ruled, regulated, and lawed-to-death individual in the world.
You break laws EVERY DAY...you just don't know those laws...and the JBTS's haven't singled you out yet.
Your world is coming apart at the seams ..and all your-head-buried-in-the-sand changes that fact not at all.
The legislatures meet every year ..for what seems to be ALL year.and they steadily pass more and more laws .every year.
Those laws are taking Sovereignty away from you...and depositing it in the government ..the direct opposite of what the Founders intended.
Wsfiredude, Ive seen this argument before, where you dont want any rules at all about anything because its not in the constitution. But can we agree that there need to be rules for everyday acts that the constitution wont cover. As an example driving a car. Is it bad that we license people to drive a car? Is it bad that we dont allow people under 15 to drive on public roads?
Steve,
you have taken a page out of the Schumer/Feinstein playbook. Operation of a motor vehicle is a privilege, not a right. Big difference.
Ive filled out several 4473s (if thats the one to buy a gun) Most of the world cant buy a gun, we have to fill out a form. Is that too much to bear?
This is not most of the world; it is America, and the Constitution of the United States clearly affirms a RTKBA free from government intervention. Yeah, i fill out a 4473 when I purchase from a dealer, and I cringe every time I do, because it is a blatant violation of the Constitution.
I know you think that this will lead to confiscation,
In time, it will
but does'nt this new ruling from the SC help to avert that?
No, it does not.
If you want to worst case every action in life then you'd best stop having sex. After all, that can kill you.
I do not "worst case" every action in my life, but the goverment expects me to follow the law, and DAMMIT, i believe it is high time for them to do the same.[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Steve45;
I do not expect you to understand the mindset of a man that yearns to live free...or die.
I have been attempting to find a thread I post every so often ..about once a year.
A Patriots' Dream...starts out..
"I had a dream the other night I did not understand"...goes on from there and details MUCH of what I find wrong about today.
I cannot find it..
The list is entirely too long to roll it out. A brief study of the Constitution DETAILS about 18 areas that the federal government is to be involved in. NOTING ELSE was authorized the politicians by their bosses.US.
Suffice it to say that I myself would have had a gunshop and rifle range many years ago ..had the government been out of the tyranny game.
I refuse to bow the knee to the Beast to the extent one MUST.to run a gun shop.
You may well feel `free'.the fact is.you are the most ruled, regulated, and lawed-to-death individual in the world.
You break laws EVERY DAY...you just don't know those laws...and the JBTS's haven't singled you out yet.
Your world is coming apart at the seams ..and all your-head-buried-in-the-sand changes that fact not at all.
The legislatures meet every year ..for what seems to be ALL year.and they steadily pass more and more laws .every year.
Those laws are taking Sovereignty away from you...and depositing it in the government ..the direct opposite of what the Founders intended.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
quote:
Originally posted by Highball
Steve45;
I do not expect you to understand the mindset of a man that yearns to live free...or die.
I have been attempting to find a thread I post every so often ..about once a year.
A Patriots' Dream...starts out..
"I had a dream the other night I did not understand"...goes on from there and details MUCH of what I find wrong about today.
I cannot find it..
The list is entirely too long to roll it out. A brief study of the Constitution DETAILS about 18 areas that the federal government is to be involved in. NOTING ELSE was authorized the politicians by their bosses.US.
Suffice it to say that I myself would have had a gunshop and rifle range many years ago ..had the government been out of the tyranny game.
I refuse to bow the knee to the Beast to the extent one MUST.to run a gun shop.
You may well feel `free'.the fact is.you are the most ruled, regulated, and lawed-to-death individual in the world.
You break laws EVERY DAY...you just don't know those laws...and the JBTS's haven't singled you out yet.
Your world is coming apart at the seams ..and all your-head-buried-in-the-sand changes that fact not at all.
The legislatures meet every year ..for what seems to be ALL year.and they steadily pass more and more laws .every year.
Those laws are taking Sovereignty away from you...and depositing it in the government ..the direct opposite of what the Founders intended.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
P3,
and you'd lose your *. Patriots are hard to come by, but not hard to spot
I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
I see you have never met Burt. You would be hard pressed to keep up with him at the front lines the day the first shot is fired. He is exactly the person he represents himself to be. Nothing more, nothing less.
Mike, Burt is a one of a kind, honest to the core patriot and defender of the constitution. I think you would be impressed if you ever say and talked to him.
All of us suck hind tit to Burt and his actions.
Yeh, But they were lying when they said that, so we win and they loose. They have always wanted to take away our guns.... just a little at a time.
EXCUSE ME ???? The CHOIR ??????????????????
If I had a choir that sang like you guys do...you would be sent packing.
WHAT is the argument about...if we are all 'in the choir' ??
WHY, P3, your continual personal attacks on my person, my courage, my motives ..if we all are in 'the choir' ??
Given, P3...if I give you that I am a rank coward.Do you feel better now HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY ARGUMENTS ?? Perhaps you feel a sense of inadquacy..unwilling to speak out for yourself ?
How does your calling me out continually make YOU a big man ..and me a lying sack of cowardly, agent provocateur ?
Why don't you address the issues...instead of me ?
How many times must I admit that I myself am merely one little man ..but I swing the club of words from long dead men ..men that DEMANDED..and bled for ..the freedom you enjoy today ?
Why aren't YOU demanding that same freedom.hmmm ??
Danny;
I am nothing special, friend ..look in the mirror for a picture of a good man. Men like you built America..and keep her running.
quote:Do you do anything except complain to the choir?
EXCUSE ME ???? The CHOIR ??????????????????
If I had a choir that sang like you guys do...you would be sent packing.
WHAT is the argument about...if we are all 'in the choir' ??
WHY, P3, your continual personal attacks on my person, my courage, my motives ..if we all are in 'the choir' ??
Given, P3...if I give you that I am a rank coward.Do you feel better now HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY ARGUMENTS ?? Perhaps you feel a sense of inadquacy..unwilling to speak out for yourself ?
How does your calling me out continually make YOU a big man ..and me a lying sack of cowardly, agent provocateur ?
Why don't you address the issues...instead of me ?
How many times must I admit that I myself am merely one little man ..but I swing the club of words from long dead men ..men that DEMANDED..and bled for ..the freedom you enjoy today ?
Why aren't YOU demanding that same freedom.hmmm ??
Danny;
I am nothing special, friend ..look in the mirror for a picture of a good man. Men like you built America..and keep her running.
maybe he has a small BallPark Frank?!
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
Probably because you ain't doing jack shiite.
If you work within the system, you have a good chance of being able to look down the road you are taking and have a good idea of where you are going and what will happen when you get there.
If you chose civil war, and many here seem to want, you can in no way predict what your world will be like when the dust settles. But I guarantee you that when the dust DOES settle, some group/person will make new laws and rules. YOu may like those new laws and rules even less than they ones you complain about now. And I can also guarantee you that whom ever is left in charge after the civil war is over will impose some kind of gun control to make sure that what the rebels have just done will not be done to them.
Like it or leave it, but those are the facts.
It comes down to two choices. You can either work within the system and change the system, or you can violently overthrow the system.
If you work within the system, you have a good chance of being able to look down the road you are taking and have a good idea of where you are going and what will happen when you get there.
If you chose civil war, and many here seem to want, you can in no way predict what your world will be like when the dust settles. But I guarantee you that when the dust DOES settle, some group/person will make new laws and rules. YOu may like those new laws and rules even less than they ones you complain about now. And I can also guarantee you that whom ever is left in charge after the civil war is over will impose some kind of gun control to make sure that what the rebels have just done will not be done to them.
Like it or leave it, but those are the facts.
I disagree. If there is ever a civil war here in the US, it will be to return our country to the Constitution...those who love the Constitution are the only men who have the fortitude to fight such a war. Should that day come, we will return to our roots. I do not believe it ever will though, b/c IMO America is not mentioned in end times prophecy. I believe this nation will fall and I believe it will happen soon...b/c I believe we are in the very last days.
Maybe I just won't ask other men to do anything I wouldn't do myself. This original post still has not been answered, by you or your fan club.
So exactly what are you doing about it except talking? Do you vote? Do you campaign? Do you use the tools provided by the Constitution? Do you do anything except complain to the choir? How about something as simple as a letter to the editor in a newspaper? Got a link? I'd wager when a shot is fired in anger, you will melt into the woodwork.
Probably because you ain't doing jack shiite.
I don't know what he is doing, but I buy ammo. I "espouse" my viewpoint on everyone that will listen. I will vote for Ron Paul in the presidential election. I support friends!
I have never met Highball in the real world, but what I know of him from speaking online with him I feel like he is a VERY good friend of mine.
A friend will help you move a good friend will help you move a body
This is addressed directly to you. I will answer those oh-so-important questions you are so interested in.
I came to the fight in 1968, as a 19 year-old. As money permitted, I joined the NRA ..some years it lapsed. I became a life member in the early 80's.
I sent money to them in those early years.
I kicked and screamed about the 1968 Gun Law to anybody that would listen..in Politics and out..and finally began to realize that I was nearly alone..'infringement' meant little to most gun owners. Still..to this DAY...it means NOTHING to most of you.
I campaigned ..in later years, I switched parties every year or so ..because it became apparent to me the ONLY chance to get incumbents out of office was the primaries.
We were successful several times.only to find that the NEW guy became just like the old guy, in a few years.
Coburn is just the latest example of that.
I wrote letters to the editor ..again ..not in the last 20 years ..I finally realized the uselessness of that endeavor. Some were even published.
One in particular I remember.published under the huge headline " Gun owner wishes for Fire and Sword".because I mentioned in the letter that this country was BORN by fire and sword.
I wrote and visited Congressmen ..Dole, in Kansas ..for example. Didn't stop him from voting for the Brady Bill.is SPITE of his assurances that he was "Pro-Gun" ..to me PERSONALLY.
For the last 15..perhaps 20..years, I have become absolutely convinced that that ALL avenues conventionally available to we the citizens are BROKEN.
Therefore..I waste No more of my time pursuing them.
My time is spent attempting to educate other people as to the level of government corruption and infringements on our Rights there actually is.on a one-to-one basis ..and for the last 6 years.on sites like this.
My time is spent bringing up difficult subjects that most folks don't want to hear or think about. MUCH easier to discuss `whats for dinner'.then the fact that we the American people.we consider ourselves MEN.
Yet we crawl on our bellies to exercise the most basic Right of all...t of possessing a weapon.