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If Trump cared about the issue of foreign governments encouraging problem citizens to emigrate, he could have used his money to find some hard evidence.
He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
quote:Originally posted by rambo rebel
heard a republican strategist last night say the R's and D's were going to boil down to Jeb and Hill so all this prelim stuff is moot. all I know is if Jeb and Hill are the choice then Hill will be our next prez.
ALL HAIL THE QUEEN !!!!!
I'd take anybody but Jeb to vote for.
I don't believe that's necessarily true.
Here is another article I read just this morning by the very Conservative Fred Barnes (again of "The Weekly Standard.")
I would much prefer Rubio or Walker, but if Bush does ultimately prevail in securing the nomination, everyone should please read this short article. It might be enlightening - as it was to me.
Excerpts: "The editorial page of the Wall Street Journal [hardly a Leftist publication] captured Bush's record best: 'Mr. Bush left his fast-growing state's government relatively smaller and its tax burden lower. He reformed tort laws and eliminated racial preferences. He was in particular a pioneer in education reform, especially school choice. . . Another Bush asset is his proven ability to attract non-Republican voters. He stepped down as governor with a nearly 60 percent approval rating in a state that Barack Obama carried twice and Bill Clinton once.'"
"We don't need another president who merely holds the top spot among the pampered elites of Washington." Jeb Bush
"Stressing his gubernatorial record has an additional benefit. It helps differentiate him from his older brother, George W. Bush. The contrast between what Jeb did in Florida and George did as Texas governor and as president is significant. Jeb reformed Medicaid and put in place a school voucher system that was recently copied in Nevada. He cut spending more aggressively, and so on."
I really hate to say this but The Donald is just the "comic relief" of another presidential election that has already been decided. The elite powers that be have already MADE their candidate. It's now just a matter of time.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by fideau
A country that gives the supreme power to a "community organizer", an empty suit that never accomplished anything, that no one bothered to research his qualification other than race, could stand to have Donald Trump run things a few years.
I don't think he is an idiot. He makes his own money and does it well.
Obumbo has only lived off taxpayers all his life and for the rest of it too. Never earned an honest dime and acts superior to the stupid taxpayers that suffer while he lives it up like a crack brother.
I would love to give Trump a chance to shake things up. How in the hell could we be any worse off?
Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times.
I do not see how anyone could vote for that record.
And a junior senator with no voting records, no records of him writing any bills, no anything ad far as political experiance goes wins two elections.
I would take 100 D Trumps over 1 of what we have now.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
If Trump would hire ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes and bus the dead to the polls to vote often he could win with the same strategy.
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
If Trump would hire ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes and bus the dead to the polls to vote often he could win with the same strategy.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that fairy tale. When a candidate loses out of incompetence, it is always best to have a nice soft bed of excuses to cushion the disappointment.
Obama won because the wrong candidates ran against him at the wrong time with the wrong strategy.
Much as the idea appalls and disgusts me, a third Bush in the hand may be the only option to a second Clinton in the White House. Not that I'll have any say in it, Arizona will go to whoever survives the Republican Dog & Pony Show.
Or is it the Republican Flea Circus?
Never quite sure of the right metaphor on that one.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
It's called "Lying through one's teeth and appealing to the 'takers' with the promise of more "free stuff," regardless of the harm it does to the country." The Socialist 'rats are masters at it.
A significant percentage of the voters are what Gruber calls, "Stupid voters." If they see an ad that shows Paul Ryan pushing an old lady over a cliff, they're stupid enough to believe that.
If only enough people will wake up and see the truth and vote against the Socialists in next year's election, we could stop this madness.
ANY Republican - even Trump or Bush - would be far better than what we've had recently, or what we will have if we do not wake up by next year.
Has anyone besides me notice almost every news story about Trump is negative. NBC, CBS, NYT, WP, CNN, etc and late night leftist pundit are having a field day with Trump.
The mere fact democrat controlled media is on a crusade to destroy Trump early means they fear him. Reminds me of the same partisan bias attacks on Palin in 08.
The same partisan media elevated Obama to messianic stature.
The same partisan media disparaging the Battle flag of Northern Virginia to name a few.
The same partisan media promoting alternate life styles on prime time TV.
The same partisan media that is promoting a new reality TV show using a transgendered person as a role model.
The same partisan media that portrays anyone that does not agree with them as reactionary or racist.
I for one have not forgotten how the democrat party and their sycophants in main stream media picked the last two losers. The mere fact main stream democrat media fears trump makes me like him more.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
Trump will lose the election, every time he attempts it, because he has no sense of how to win a majority of the vote.
Thus the liberal candidate will win, if he or she faces Trump in the general election.
Obama won the election, twice, for the same reason Elvis found fame and fortune. Elvis was a white man who could sing and gyrate like a black man. Obama is President of the United States because he is a black man who can read a teleprompter like a white man.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
Trump will lose the election, every time he attempts it, because he has no sense of how to win a majority of the vote.
Thus the liberal candidate will win, if he or she faces Trump in the general election.
Obama won the election, twice, for the same reason Elvis found fame and fortune. Elvis was a white man who could sing and gyrate like a black man. Obama is President of the United States because he is a black man who can read a teleprompter like a white man.
A hatred of GWB, hatred of Republicans, racism, white guilt, and tons of blame are what got him elected. This rings true yet today, all he has done, all he stands for and nobody, nobody of any influence or power had done a damn thing about it! People like Trey Gowdy come out and make for good entertainment but accomplish nothing! Obummer was given a free ride due to his supposed race, he still had that free ride, he has done and will continue to as he pleases and all the bitching and moaning is not going to stop him! Trump running for president has people up in arms, well get effin used to grandstanding like this because from what I see there is not going be any change for the positive for a long time coming! Jeb has no chance in hell of winning, Trump is going to do exactly like Perot did, he is going to help put a Klinton in the White House! Vote for whoever in the hell you want to, our destiny as Americans is already written and the rest of it is nothing but a giant freak show that the majority of Americans is going to eat up spoon full after spoonfull!!'
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
I am going to vote Republican, and there's nothing that Chris in Tempe can say that will stop me![:0]
How odd ... why would you even imagine I would want to stop you?
Or did I miss the satire there [;)]
I would certainly hope you would not vote for Hillary. The trouble is, how many of you will continue to encourage the undecided voters to vote for her? Because that is what all the Crazy and the Stupid and the Delirium and the Self-Comforting Lies accomplishes. Pushing undecided voters toward the least scary, least incompetent appearing candidate.
Those are the people that decide elections. Not the core of the right wing or the core of the left wing for neither are large enough. The middle between them, made up of left leaning and right leaning and people with positions on both sides of the line depending on this or that issue you ask them about.
Any candidate on any side must find votes in that middle ground. Certainly no Republican candidate is worried about people here on GB voting a liberal ticket. Nor are they concerning themselves with changing the minds of Hillary voters, they know that's not happening.
What a candidate from the conservative side must earn votes from are all those people that Trump has been insulting non-stop for days now. Many of whom are citizens and taxpayers and are now being targeted in Get Out The Vote efforts by liberals who are leaping for joy.
They should be pretty darned happy about Trump. For he's dumped a whole new pile of political ammunition right in their laps.
One of my more liberal coworkers has told me he wouldn't even consider voting for hildabeast, but might be ready to vote for Trump, because he just says what he means.
As far as Trump's numerous bankruptcies, I don't believe for a second that he hasn't destroyed countless small businesses and the lives associated with those businesses by his failure to pay his obligations.
We don't need another thief in the white house.
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
He knows what he is doing. He ain't in it to win, but to influence.
Bingo and I love that. Let him make the real candidates take a position and stand on it. I want to here how they (REALLY) stand on gun control and not this wishy washy, what is politically correct answer. Oakie
quote:He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
quote:Illegals
Over
53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New
Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
63
percent of cited drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and
no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal
aliens. 66 percent of cited drivers in New Mexico have no license, no
insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98
percent are illegal aliens.
36,007 illegal immigrants - processed for deportation though freed while awaiting disposition of their cases under Obama & his administration.
The revelations by the Center for Immigration Studies,
which obtained an internal Department of Homeland Security document, showed that the 36,007 criminal aliens carried out 87,818 crimes including 193 murders, 426 sexual assaults, 303 kidnappings, and 1,075 aggravated assaults. They also generated more than 15,000 drunk driving convictions.
Well - You can call him just about anything, but that doesn't mean that when he is right that he is making it up, or somehow wrong. He can blow as much as he wants as far as I'm concerned, as long as he stays with the truth . He's not my favorite person either, but compared to Obama or Hilary he's near sainthood .
Vote for Rand Paul ! So far he at the top of my list.
The worst case scenario with Trump would be if his ego doesn't get fed enough during the preliminary dog and pony shows he may do a Ross Perot and split the Republican vote in the general election.
He should keep his mouth shut about controversial issues, as he IS scaring or pissing off a lot of people who might otherwise consider voting Republican.
He IS telling the truth, but most of the "stupid voters" don't know that (and the Socialist Media is not going to tell them) and think he is attacking them for their race, etc.
The only thing that can neutralize his damage so far is nominating Rubio or Cruz as President or VP.
But he needs to shut up about things that the Socialist media can twist into an attack issue.
quote:The worst case scenario with Trump would be if his ego doesn't get fed enough during the preliminary dog and pony shows he may do a Ross Perot and split the Republican vote in the general election.
Absolutely! I don't know if he is as crazy as Perot was, but he's certainly an egomaniac. If he does do that, we better get our guns ready for the second American revolution.
I do not see how anyone could vote for that record.
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And is now worth 9 billion dollars. Anybody that can make that kind of monetary resurrection needs to be taken seriously when is comes to fiscal matters. His view on other topics may be suspect, but the man does know money.
I do not see how anyone could vote for that record.
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And is now worth 9 billion dollars. Anybody that can make that kind of monetary resurrection needs to be taken seriously when is comes to fiscal matters. His view on other topics may be suspect, but the man does know money.
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Trump didn't make the rules he just takes advantage of them as any aggressive business man would do. At least he didn't live off of the government all his life like Obama that never even operated a lemonade stand let alone a real business.
Way to early to know where Trump will land, not to early to know he has the establishment elite Republicans attention. They have Trump pushing from his end the Tea Party from their end the upper crust Rhinos aren't use to anyone being insubordinate only lock step members. They also have to deal with candidates like Cruz agreeing Trump speaks the truth.
This Trump thing along with insubordinates threatens the Golden Goose. Think Denny Hastert starts off as a school coach plays funny games with one or more students comes up with a mill and half to pay for silence which back fired on him. But he was one of the elite Rhinos and apparently what he paid out was chunk change the source several years of good fortune laid by the Golden Goose
This link is from Drudge, the names involved hitting on Trump are established long time Republicans. IMO these names only reinforce the concern of Donald Trump in the running
And is now worth 9 billion dollars. Anybody that can make that kind of monetary resurrection needs to be taken seriously when is comes to fiscal matters. His view on other topics may be suspect, but the man does know money.
He knows money and knows how to shield his money via bankruptcy laws while shafting creditors.
1 bankruptcy would not be a problem.
2, if he made personal efforts to pay creditors would not be a problem.
4 bankruptcies where he retains his money at the expense of others is immoral in my opinion, even though it is legal.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Watch the polls. As the campaigns develop, watch the moving average of multiple polls. The candidate that will win will be the one pulling in the moderates, the undecideds, the independents, the ones that can rally the most voters to the polls.
Pay attention to the end game and the electoral math of multiple polls together. That is what's real and want counts. Everything else is just feel good politics.
Right now in the real world the Democrats are gaining voters off of Trumps antics. Worse, they are gaining voters that do not usually make it to the polls.
This adds up to the conservative candidate losing the General election, not winning it.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
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I'll take Trump
No, you won't.
Because he has already lost. He did it with his "Opening Monologue" which he called a campaign speech.
More than that he is damaging the campaigns of those conservatives who will get more votes. Every time he opens his mouth he proves he has no ability as a politician or a leader as he offends more voters than he appeals to. No politician, no leader, can win an election without winning more votes than the other candidates.
You do not win enough votes by appealing only to a small portion of the electorate. Especially so if at the same time you do all you can to drive large numbers of voters to your liberal opponents.
Why is this simple mathematical reality so hard for conservative politicians and their supporters to grasp?
If Trump had half the brain for politics he imagines for himself he would have turned the rape angle to his advantage. A report from Amnesty International a few years ago would have been perfect material to use in the fight for Border Security. Which is the larger issue anyway, illegals being but a small part of a much larger problem. He could have used that report to put a human face on the need to improve security.
Instead he turned rape into a massive insult that every American Latino/Hispanic voter, not just the illegal aliens, heard loud and clear. He manufactured the soundbites to be used against himself, then doubled-down on the error. Soundbites that will echo for months.
Again, Trump has already lost. The more he doubles-down on his Stupid, the more he damages conservatives en mass.
I do not doubt that Trump knows how to make money off of real estate, resorts and self promotion. The problem is his talents are limited to those areas of business.
He should stick to his knitting.
well he could always do what big O did, just buy his way in............
I may or may not vote for the man. There is bankruptcy of defeat and then there is bankruptcy for continuation. Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy and from my research he has made acceptable deals with his creditors, usually before the chapter 11 filings.
"In 1991, Trump's Taj Mahal located in Atlantic City was in debt for billions of dollars. As a result, Trump's corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The Bankruptcy court allowed Trump to reorganize his corporate debts and allowed the casino to keep operating. Trump did surrender half of his ownership interests in the Taj Mahal. He chose to sell his yacht and airplane to help make loan payments.
In 1992, Trump filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on his Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City. At this time, Trump owed $550 million on the Trump Plaza Hotel. As part of the restructuring, Trump gave Citibank a 49% interest in the hotel. He was given a lenient repayment plan. Trump was able to stay on as CEO but he had to give up his salary.
Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy in 2004. The corporation had $1.8 billion dollars of debt. Trump reduced his share in the company to 25% thereby surrendering his control of the corporation. The corporation received lower interest rates and another loan to upgrade the properties.
In 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts filed bankruptcy after missing a large bond interest payment. Trump was not able to agree with his board of directors on a repayment plan so he resigned as chairman of the board and retained only a 10% ownership interest in the corporation.
Law Dictionary: How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times? "
Notice in all cases he gave up personal assets and/or a percentage of ownership to close the deals. Hardly what is being portrayed by the statement "Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times."
In one of his books he writes about the 1990-1991 (his worst episode) financial issues, how and why he messed up and what he did to take care of it. It was interesting reading and showed how a man like him makes the same mistakes most of us do. The numbers were bigger but the issues were the same.
quote:Originally posted by pip5255
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
...
I'll take Trump
No, you won't.
Because he has already lost. He did it with his "Opening Monologue" which he called a campaign speech.
More than that he is damaging the campaigns of those conservatives who will get more votes. Every time he opens his mouth he proves he has no ability as a politician or a leader as he offends more voters than he appeals to. No politician, no leader, can win an election without winning more votes than the other candidates.
You do not win enough votes by appealing only to a small portion of the electorate. Especially so if at the same time you do all you can to drive large numbers of voters to your liberal opponents.
Why is this simple mathematical reality so hard for conservative politicians and their supporters to grasp?
If Trump had half the brain for politics he imagines for himself he would have turned the rape angle to his advantage. A report from Amnesty International a few years ago would have been perfect material to use in the fight for Border Security. Which is the larger issue anyway, illegals being but a small part of a much larger problem. He could have used that report to put a human face on the need to improve security.
Instead he turned rape into a massive insult that every American Latino/Hispanic voter, not just the illegal aliens, heard loud and clear. He manufactured the soundbites to be used against himself, then doubled-down on the error. Soundbites that will echo for months.
Again, Trump has already lost. The more he doubles-down on his Stupid, the more he damages conservatives en mass.
I do not doubt that Trump knows how to make money off of real estate, resorts and self promotion. The problem is his talents are limited to those areas of business.
He should stick to his knitting.
well he could always do what big O did, just buy his way in............
I'll vote for him over her...........
No, you will not get the chance. That's the first half of the point with Trump. He will not win the nomination.
Then you can vote for someone else against Hillary.
But that someone else will be in a weaker position due to the insults Trump trumpeted so loudly against a large number of voters.
"Eye's on the prize" always has meaning in politics. If you are not keeping the end game realistically in view, you have no plan to win.
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Am I the only one here that knows Trump supported the assault weapon ban?
He and Christy WILL NEVER get my vote for that.
Honestly I never bothered to research his past statements. When I check out video of him on YouTube talking about gun rights, I see you have to go back some years to catch him talking in specific terms. He has learned to keep his statements broad, to hit the emotional buttons. But he doesn't touch more than lightly these days on anything specific.
In 2000 he answered specific questions. He supported an Assault Weapons Ban. He supported a 72 hour waiting period. Trump also supported universal background checks. He even put all that in his book "The America We Deserve".
That's the last time I have found him saying anything that specific. He now touts his two sons are NRA members and hunters. He enjoys saying he has a concealed carry permit in NYC and it was hard to get.
I'd rather he fade away fast, stop pushing votes towards Hillary. Maybe one thing that would help is if somebody could nail him down on specifics.
Where is he today on 30 round standard capacity magazines in an AR-15?
Where is he today on that 3 day waiting period he wanted?
How does he feel about my pistol with a 18 round standard capacity?
My Mossberg 590A1 with the SpeedStock and the bayonet, where is he on that little item with all that buckshot in it?
Specific details would reveal if he's just stroking people's emotions or if he means what he says.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
He is an idiot and blowhard who is helping the conservative side to lose the election. Which he doesn't care about anyway. All this is about his ego. As long as he is enjoying it he will stay in and double-down on the Stupid.
Yeah he sure to get Hillary in after Jeb Bush runs and loses like Romney did last time around! Stupid republicans rhino's!
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Who was it that you said that you would Vote for again Chris in Tempe?
Not Hillary.
But whoever I end up voting for I'd sure as hell prefer that person not be weakened at the polls by idiots like Trump pushing moderates and undecideds to Hillary's camp.
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He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
heard a republican strategist last night say the R's and D's were going to boil down to Jeb and Hill so all this prelim stuff is moot. all I know is if Jeb and Hill are the choice then Hill will be our next prez.
ALL HAIL THE QUEEN !!!!!
I'd take anybody but Jeb to vote for.
I don't believe that's necessarily true.
Here is another article I read just this morning by the very Conservative Fred Barnes (again of "The Weekly Standard.")
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/jeb-bush-s-do-list_974089.html
I would much prefer Rubio or Walker, but if Bush does ultimately prevail in securing the nomination, everyone should please read this short article. It might be enlightening - as it was to me.
Excerpts: "The editorial page of the Wall Street Journal [hardly a Leftist publication] captured Bush's record best: 'Mr. Bush left his fast-growing state's government relatively smaller and its tax burden lower. He reformed tort laws and eliminated racial preferences. He was in particular a pioneer in education reform, especially school choice. . . Another Bush asset is his proven ability to attract non-Republican voters. He stepped down as governor with a nearly 60 percent approval rating in a state that Barack Obama carried twice and Bill Clinton once.'"
"We don't need another president who merely holds the top spot among the pampered elites of Washington." Jeb Bush
"Stressing his gubernatorial record has an additional benefit. It helps differentiate him from his older brother, George W. Bush. The contrast between what Jeb did in Florida and George did as Texas governor and as president is significant. Jeb reformed Medicaid and put in place a school voucher system that was recently copied in Nevada. He cut spending more aggressively, and so on."
He is not a Socialist like Hilly.
Look at the field.[8]
quote:Originally posted by fideau
A country that gives the supreme power to a "community organizer", an empty suit that never accomplished anything, that no one bothered to research his qualification other than race, could stand to have Donald Trump run things a few years.
I don't think he is an idiot. He makes his own money and does it well.
Obumbo has only lived off taxpayers all his life and for the rest of it too. Never earned an honest dime and acts superior to the stupid taxpayers that suffer while he lives it up like a crack brother.
I would love to give Trump a chance to shake things up. How in the hell could we be any worse off?
Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times.
I do not see how anyone could vote for that record.
And a junior senator with no voting records, no records of him writing any bills, no anything ad far as political experiance goes wins two elections.
I would take 100 D Trumps over 1 of what we have now.
Trump will lose the election, every time he attempts it, because he has no sense of how to win a majority of the vote.
Thus the liberal candidate will win, if he or she faces Trump in the general election.
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
If Trump would hire ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes and bus the dead to the polls to vote often he could win with the same strategy.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
If Trump would hire ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes and bus the dead to the polls to vote often he could win with the same strategy.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that fairy tale. When a candidate loses out of incompetence, it is always best to have a nice soft bed of excuses to cushion the disappointment.
Obama won because the wrong candidates ran against him at the wrong time with the wrong strategy.
Much as the idea appalls and disgusts me, a third Bush in the hand may be the only option to a second Clinton in the White House. Not that I'll have any say in it, Arizona will go to whoever survives the Republican Dog & Pony Show.
Or is it the Republican Flea Circus?
Never quite sure of the right metaphor on that one.
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
It's called "Lying through one's teeth and appealing to the 'takers' with the promise of more "free stuff," regardless of the harm it does to the country." The Socialist 'rats are masters at it.
A significant percentage of the voters are what Gruber calls, "Stupid voters." If they see an ad that shows Paul Ryan pushing an old lady over a cliff, they're stupid enough to believe that.
If only enough people will wake up and see the truth and vote against the Socialists in next year's election, we could stop this madness.
ANY Republican - even Trump or Bush - would be far better than what we've had recently, or what we will have if we do not wake up by next year.
The mere fact democrat controlled media is on a crusade to destroy Trump early means they fear him. Reminds me of the same partisan bias attacks on Palin in 08.
The same partisan media elevated Obama to messianic stature.
The same partisan media disparaging the Battle flag of Northern Virginia to name a few.
The same partisan media promoting alternate life styles on prime time TV.
The same partisan media that is promoting a new reality TV show using a transgendered person as a role model.
The same partisan media that portrays anyone that does not agree with them as reactionary or racist.
I for one have not forgotten how the democrat party and their sycophants in main stream media picked the last two losers. The mere fact main stream democrat media fears trump makes me like him more.
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
Trump will lose the election, every time he attempts it, because he has no sense of how to win a majority of the vote.
Thus the liberal candidate will win, if he or she faces Trump in the general election.
Obama won the election, twice, for the same reason Elvis found fame and fortune. Elvis was a white man who could sing and gyrate like a black man. Obama is President of the United States because he is a black man who can read a teleprompter like a white man.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama won the election, twice, because his team recognized the time was right and had a strategy that would win a majority of the vote.
Trump will lose the election, every time he attempts it, because he has no sense of how to win a majority of the vote.
Thus the liberal candidate will win, if he or she faces Trump in the general election.
Obama won the election, twice, for the same reason Elvis found fame and fortune. Elvis was a white man who could sing and gyrate like a black man. Obama is President of the United States because he is a black man who can read a teleprompter like a white man.
A hatred of GWB, hatred of Republicans, racism, white guilt, and tons of blame are what got him elected. This rings true yet today, all he has done, all he stands for and nobody, nobody of any influence or power had done a damn thing about it! People like Trey Gowdy come out and make for good entertainment but accomplish nothing! Obummer was given a free ride due to his supposed race, he still had that free ride, he has done and will continue to as he pleases and all the bitching and moaning is not going to stop him! Trump running for president has people up in arms, well get effin used to grandstanding like this because from what I see there is not going be any change for the positive for a long time coming! Jeb has no chance in hell of winning, Trump is going to do exactly like Perot did, he is going to help put a Klinton in the White House! Vote for whoever in the hell you want to, our destiny as Americans is already written and the rest of it is nothing but a giant freak show that the majority of Americans is going to eat up spoon full after spoonfull!!'
Enjoy the show!
I am going to vote Republican, and there's nothing that Chris in Tempe can say that will stop me![:0]
How odd ... why would you even imagine I would want to stop you?
Or did I miss the satire there [;)]
I would certainly hope you would not vote for Hillary. The trouble is, how many of you will continue to encourage the undecided voters to vote for her? Because that is what all the Crazy and the Stupid and the Delirium and the Self-Comforting Lies accomplishes. Pushing undecided voters toward the least scary, least incompetent appearing candidate.
Those are the people that decide elections. Not the core of the right wing or the core of the left wing for neither are large enough. The middle between them, made up of left leaning and right leaning and people with positions on both sides of the line depending on this or that issue you ask them about.
Any candidate on any side must find votes in that middle ground. Certainly no Republican candidate is worried about people here on GB voting a liberal ticket. Nor are they concerning themselves with changing the minds of Hillary voters, they know that's not happening.
What a candidate from the conservative side must earn votes from are all those people that Trump has been insulting non-stop for days now. Many of whom are citizens and taxpayers and are now being targeted in Get Out The Vote efforts by liberals who are leaping for joy.
They should be pretty darned happy about Trump. For he's dumped a whole new pile of political ammunition right in their laps.
As far as Trump's numerous bankruptcies, I don't believe for a second that he hasn't destroyed countless small businesses and the lives associated with those businesses by his failure to pay his obligations.
We don't need another thief in the white house.
He knows what he is doing. He ain't in it to win, but to influence.
Bingo and I love that. Let him make the real candidates take a position and stand on it. I want to here how they (REALLY) stand on gun control and not this wishy washy, what is politically correct answer. Oakie
He is saying what other are afraid too.
Nice to see for a change, we've been lied to for so long, it's like a breath of fresh air!
quote:Illegals
Over
53 percent of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New
Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
63
percent of cited drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and
no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal
aliens. 66 percent of cited drivers in New Mexico have no license, no
insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66 percent, 98
percent are illegal aliens.
36,007 illegal immigrants - processed for deportation though freed while awaiting disposition of their cases under Obama & his administration.
The revelations by the Center for Immigration Studies,
which obtained an internal Department of Homeland Security document, showed that the 36,007 criminal aliens carried out 87,818 crimes including 193 murders, 426 sexual assaults, 303 kidnappings, and 1,075 aggravated assaults. They also generated more than 15,000 drunk driving convictions.
Well - You can call him just about anything, but that doesn't mean that when he is right that he is making it up, or somehow wrong. He can blow as much as he wants as far as I'm concerned, as long as he stays with the truth . He's not my favorite person either, but compared to Obama or Hilary he's near sainthood .
Vote for Rand Paul ! So far he at the top of my list.
He IS telling the truth, but most of the "stupid voters" don't know that (and the Socialist Media is not going to tell them) and think he is attacking them for their race, etc.
The only thing that can neutralize his damage so far is nominating Rubio or Cruz as President or VP.
But he needs to shut up about things that the Socialist media can twist into an attack issue.
quote:The worst case scenario with Trump would be if his ego doesn't get fed enough during the preliminary dog and pony shows he may do a Ross Perot and split the Republican vote in the general election.
Absolutely! I don't know if he is as crazy as Perot was, but he's certainly an egomaniac. If he does do that, we better get our guns ready for the second American revolution.
Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times.
I do not see how anyone could vote for that record.
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And is now worth 9 billion dollars. Anybody that can make that kind of monetary resurrection needs to be taken seriously when is comes to fiscal matters. His view on other topics may be suspect, but the man does know money.
Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times.
I do not see how anyone could vote for that record.
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And is now worth 9 billion dollars. Anybody that can make that kind of monetary resurrection needs to be taken seriously when is comes to fiscal matters. His view on other topics may be suspect, but the man does know money.
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Trump didn't make the rules he just takes advantage of them as any aggressive business man would do. At least he didn't live off of the government all his life like Obama that never even operated a lemonade stand let alone a real business.
This Trump thing along with insubordinates threatens the Golden Goose. Think Denny Hastert starts off as a school coach plays funny games with one or more students comes up with a mill and half to pay for silence which back fired on him. But he was one of the elite Rhinos and apparently what he paid out was chunk change the source several years of good fortune laid by the Golden Goose
This link is from Drudge, the names involved hitting on Trump are established long time Republicans. IMO these names only reinforce the concern of Donald Trump in the running
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/11718563/Republicans-cast-into-turmoil-as-Donald-Trump-rides-the-populist-surge.html
And is now worth 9 billion dollars. Anybody that can make that kind of monetary resurrection needs to be taken seriously when is comes to fiscal matters. His view on other topics may be suspect, but the man does know money.
He knows money and knows how to shield his money via bankruptcy laws while shafting creditors.
1 bankruptcy would not be a problem.
2, if he made personal efforts to pay creditors would not be a problem.
4 bankruptcies where he retains his money at the expense of others is immoral in my opinion, even though it is legal.
Brad Steele
Ranked 2nd in the polls this morning.
But 24 points behind Clinton if the election were held today.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
Watch the polls. As the campaigns develop, watch the moving average of multiple polls. The candidate that will win will be the one pulling in the moderates, the undecideds, the independents, the ones that can rally the most voters to the polls.
Pay attention to the end game and the electoral math of multiple polls together. That is what's real and want counts. Everything else is just feel good politics.
Right now in the real world the Democrats are gaining voters off of Trumps antics. Worse, they are gaining voters that do not usually make it to the polls.
This adds up to the conservative candidate losing the General election, not winning it.
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
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I'll take Trump
No, you won't.
Because he has already lost. He did it with his "Opening Monologue" which he called a campaign speech.
More than that he is damaging the campaigns of those conservatives who will get more votes. Every time he opens his mouth he proves he has no ability as a politician or a leader as he offends more voters than he appeals to. No politician, no leader, can win an election without winning more votes than the other candidates.
You do not win enough votes by appealing only to a small portion of the electorate. Especially so if at the same time you do all you can to drive large numbers of voters to your liberal opponents.
Why is this simple mathematical reality so hard for conservative politicians and their supporters to grasp?
If Trump had half the brain for politics he imagines for himself he would have turned the rape angle to his advantage. A report from Amnesty International a few years ago would have been perfect material to use in the fight for Border Security. Which is the larger issue anyway, illegals being but a small part of a much larger problem. He could have used that report to put a human face on the need to improve security.
Instead he turned rape into a massive insult that every American Latino/Hispanic voter, not just the illegal aliens, heard loud and clear. He manufactured the soundbites to be used against himself, then doubled-down on the error. Soundbites that will echo for months.
Again, Trump has already lost. The more he doubles-down on his Stupid, the more he damages conservatives en mass.
I do not doubt that Trump knows how to make money off of real estate, resorts and self promotion. The problem is his talents are limited to those areas of business.
He should stick to his knitting.
well he could always do what big O did, just buy his way in............
I'll vote for him over her...........
"In 1991, Trump's Taj Mahal located in Atlantic City was in debt for billions of dollars. As a result, Trump's corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The Bankruptcy court allowed Trump to reorganize his corporate debts and allowed the casino to keep operating. Trump did surrender half of his ownership interests in the Taj Mahal. He chose to sell his yacht and airplane to help make loan payments.
In 1992, Trump filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on his Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City. At this time, Trump owed $550 million on the Trump Plaza Hotel. As part of the restructuring, Trump gave Citibank a 49% interest in the hotel. He was given a lenient repayment plan. Trump was able to stay on as CEO but he had to give up his salary.
Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts filed for bankruptcy in 2004. The corporation had $1.8 billion dollars of debt. Trump reduced his share in the company to 25% thereby surrendering his control of the corporation. The corporation received lower interest rates and another loan to upgrade the properties.
In 2009, Trump Entertainment Resorts filed bankruptcy after missing a large bond interest payment. Trump was not able to agree with his board of directors on a repayment plan so he resigned as chairman of the board and retained only a 10% ownership interest in the corporation.
Law Dictionary: How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times? "
Notice in all cases he gave up personal assets and/or a percentage of ownership to close the deals. Hardly what is being portrayed by the statement "Trump has declared bankruptcy 4 times."
In one of his books he writes about the 1990-1991 (his worst episode) financial issues, how and why he messed up and what he did to take care of it. It was interesting reading and showed how a man like him makes the same mistakes most of us do. The numbers were bigger but the issues were the same.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
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I'll take Trump
No, you won't.
Because he has already lost. He did it with his "Opening Monologue" which he called a campaign speech.
More than that he is damaging the campaigns of those conservatives who will get more votes. Every time he opens his mouth he proves he has no ability as a politician or a leader as he offends more voters than he appeals to. No politician, no leader, can win an election without winning more votes than the other candidates.
You do not win enough votes by appealing only to a small portion of the electorate. Especially so if at the same time you do all you can to drive large numbers of voters to your liberal opponents.
Why is this simple mathematical reality so hard for conservative politicians and their supporters to grasp?
If Trump had half the brain for politics he imagines for himself he would have turned the rape angle to his advantage. A report from Amnesty International a few years ago would have been perfect material to use in the fight for Border Security. Which is the larger issue anyway, illegals being but a small part of a much larger problem. He could have used that report to put a human face on the need to improve security.
Instead he turned rape into a massive insult that every American Latino/Hispanic voter, not just the illegal aliens, heard loud and clear. He manufactured the soundbites to be used against himself, then doubled-down on the error. Soundbites that will echo for months.
Again, Trump has already lost. The more he doubles-down on his Stupid, the more he damages conservatives en mass.
I do not doubt that Trump knows how to make money off of real estate, resorts and self promotion. The problem is his talents are limited to those areas of business.
He should stick to his knitting.
well he could always do what big O did, just buy his way in............
I'll vote for him over her...........
No, you will not get the chance. That's the first half of the point with Trump. He will not win the nomination.
Then you can vote for someone else against Hillary.
But that someone else will be in a weaker position due to the insults Trump trumpeted so loudly against a large number of voters.
"Eye's on the prize" always has meaning in politics. If you are not keeping the end game realistically in view, you have no plan to win.
He and Christy WILL NEVER get my vote for that.
Am I the only one here that knows Trump supported the assault weapon ban?
He and Christy WILL NEVER get my vote for that.
Honestly I never bothered to research his past statements. When I check out video of him on YouTube talking about gun rights, I see you have to go back some years to catch him talking in specific terms. He has learned to keep his statements broad, to hit the emotional buttons. But he doesn't touch more than lightly these days on anything specific.
In 2000 he answered specific questions. He supported an Assault Weapons Ban. He supported a 72 hour waiting period. Trump also supported universal background checks. He even put all that in his book "The America We Deserve".
That's the last time I have found him saying anything that specific. He now touts his two sons are NRA members and hunters. He enjoys saying he has a concealed carry permit in NYC and it was hard to get.
I'd rather he fade away fast, stop pushing votes towards Hillary. Maybe one thing that would help is if somebody could nail him down on specifics.
Where is he today on 30 round standard capacity magazines in an AR-15?
Where is he today on that 3 day waiting period he wanted?
How does he feel about my pistol with a 18 round standard capacity?
My Mossberg 590A1 with the SpeedStock and the bayonet, where is he on that little item with all that buckshot in it?
Specific details would reveal if he's just stroking people's emotions or if he means what he says.
He is an idiot and blowhard who is helping the conservative side to lose the election. Which he doesn't care about anyway. All this is about his ego. As long as he is enjoying it he will stay in and double-down on the Stupid.
Yeah he sure to get Hillary in after Jeb Bush runs and loses like Romney did last time around! Stupid republicans rhino's!
I like the man. Go Donald!
So you are a Hillary supporter then?
Okay if that's who you want in the White House. Free country and all, you get to support all the anti-gun Democrats you want to.
Who was it that you said that you would Vote for again Chris in Tempe?
Not Hillary.
But whoever I end up voting for I'd sure as hell prefer that person not be weakened at the polls by idiots like Trump pushing moderates and undecideds to Hillary's camp.