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I've always doubted Trump's credentials as a conservative but never thought enough about it to spend five minutes reading. Now he might be worth six minutes or more. This confirms what I thought.
Donald Trump jumped into the crowded and rowdy Republican presidential field on Tuesday, but the business magnate has astutely played both sides of the aisle for years, and has been especially cozy - financially and personally - with Hillary Clinton.
Clinton, the Democratic front-runner and former New York senator who had some say over policy that could have impacted Trump's vast business dealings, received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records.
Trump has also been generous with the Clinton Foundation, donating at least $100,000, according to the non-profit.
In another sign of their closeness, Clinton attended Trump's 2005 wedding to current wife Melania Knauss at Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, along with the likes of Katie Couric, Billy Joel and then-"American Idol" judge Simon Cowell. (According to People, Clinton had front-pew seating. Though Bill missed the ceremony itself, he did show up to the reception.)
Gun Control: Limit restrictions on guns. Ban some assault weapons and extend the waiting period for purchase.
During a 2013 interview with Fox News, the real estate mogul defined himself as, "a very strong person on the Second Amendment." He believes guns are necessary for self-defense and has written that he generally opposes gun control. In his 2000 book, "The America We Deserve" Trump wrote that he supports a ban on assault weapons and a slightly longer waiting period to buy a gun.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Who was it that you said that you would Vote for again Chris in Tempe?
Not Hillary.
But whoever I end up voting for I'd sure as hell prefer that person not be weakened at the polls by idiots like Trump pushing moderates and undecideds to Hillary's camp.
I have noticed that we go through this every Election Cycle.
You bad mouth the Republicans trying to turn everyone against them, and never say who you Voted for. Hmmm.
There is no such thing as Liberal Men, only Liberal Women with Penises.'
Say what you want of him he has not backed down yet. Most folks would have given some back handed apology. But he has stood firm and I have to respect that.
He has guts and sticks to his guns. He is saying a lot of things people believe. He may be a blow hard and loud mouth but he is right on the money.
I am liking him more................he has a hot wife too.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
He is an idiot and blowhard who is helping the conservative side to lose the election. Which he doesn't care about anyway. All this is about his ego. As long as he is enjoying it he will stay in and double-down on the Stupid.
egotistical blowhard, idiot, self serving????? JEEEZZ man, you just described EVERY politician running for high office in the last 50 years. Ben carson maybe not.
I don't like the arrogant basturd either but I'd vote for him because he ISN'T a politician and politicians got us where we are now.
I'm sick with and fed up of politicians.
A non politician MIGHT.....just MIGHT get us term limits for congress and the senate, if he's not assassinated first.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Some young woman interviewed him last night and tried to get him upset.
Question 1. Do you have a carry permit and shoot guns ?
Trump.. None of your damn business
Question 2. How will you handle the gun violence in America?
Trump.. Slippery Slope but I will not go against 2nd Amendment
Question3. How would you stop ISIS?
Trump... Knock out the Oil.. where they are getting their funding
Question 4. What about the Military in America?
Trump... I will build it up and make it strong.
He is saying what conservatives want to hear!....I will no longer support any Republican for any office....
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Some young woman interviewed him last night and tried to get him upset.
Question 1. Do you have a carry permit and shoot guns ?
Trump.. None of your damn business
Question 2. How will you handle the gun violence in America?
Trump.. Slippery Slope but I will not go against 2nd Amendment
Question3. How would you stop ISIS?
Trump... Knock out the Oil.. where they are getting their funding
Question 4. What about the Military in America?
Trump... I will build it up and make it strong.
He is saying what conservatives want to hear!....I will no longer support any Republican for any office....
1. He actually told the lady that he had a permit, but responded with 'none of your business' when she asked if he owned a gun. Answers one but the not the other. Maybe means something, maybe it does not.
2. He has a proven track record of supporting a modified version of the 2nd Amendment. Fully supports background checks, supports an AWB, etc. Either he does not understand the 2nd, has changed his position, or is lying.
3. He is taking the 'attack the oil' from the Obama Adminstration playbook. The U.S. has been targeting oil installations under isis control as far back as October of 2014. Absent oil, isis would be self-sufficient through the taxing and extorting of people and activities in the land they control.
Oil is a piece, but not necessarily a game-changing piece.
4. How and why? In 2014, we spent as much as the next 7 countries combined. An change from 2012 when we spent as much as the next 10.
How is incredibly important given what we are spending now. His statement suggests he will add to our military. Will he spend more? Will he just spend more efficiently? Platitudes are cheap.
Next is why do we want to build up our military? Speak softly and carry a big stick approach? Don't see a whole lot of speak softly in Trump, so Teddy's line would have to modified somewhat.
All that said, his build a wall approach to the southern border is something I can get behind. I don't care that he did not have a firm answer about the illegals that are already here; stemming the flood is a good first step before deciding how to bail. His statement that he will get Mexico to pay for it is just stupid, and exposes that he doesn't really care too much about accuracy in his statement.
He remains a side show, but has thrown out a couple things that, if removed from his brand of bravado, may have legs.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Whether you like Trump or not he is stirring up the Rhino establishment/elites. Lot of info on Drudge has Insane McCain and the other Az Senator panties in a knot as well as the Phoenix chamber of commerce along with many other so called conservatives
He has a strong draw of people to where they have to move to a larger site to accommodate the crowd with the help of Sherriff Joe
The Rhinos are terrified with the thought the head of the Golden Goose may have its head cut off--- Enough said look it up on Drudge and elsewhere you are seeing history being made every day, with the timing being right with the Stars/bars, Civil War, entitlements and illegal's maiming and killing robbing people uprooting our USA
I hope this holds together it is time for the middle class to be heard. Even the Texans are going to monitor the Jade people might, if all goes right, put a big crimp on the Government plans for Jade.
As a side note IMO, Iran is making Obama/Kerry look like the complete * they are. I suspect if Trump keeps going he will bring this up also.
I suppose he may not last long enough in the race to do as much harm as is worried about. Just do try to grasp that there is a reason why liberal campaign circles are celebrating Trump while their conservative opponents are damned unhappy.
It is not about stirring things up on the conservative side. That's not what makes liberal campaign workers happy and conservative ones nervous.
Trump moves Electoral votes to the left from that key sector where elections are decided. Middle-ground voters, non-aligned voters, moderates.
It is about the Electoral vote count come election day.
quote:ChrisInTempe
It is not about stirring things up on the conservative side. That's not what makes liberal campaign workers happy and conservative ones nervous.
I disagree, the libs will squeal the loudest on whatever subject, crusade or candidate concerns them at the time. IE look at the confederate flag how about same sex marriage they are now past that Trump and a couple other conservatives are now on their project list
On a local station one morning each week they have a notorious super lib on for about five minutes, the other day he was explaining how stupid the conservatives are being involved with Trump did mention how it would interfere with the established Rhinos (he didn't use the word Rhino he loves them). What I got is Trump scares the hell out of him
People I talk to in my area love the idea of Trump getting into and upsetting the professional every day politicians. They are tired of hearing the same old promises and rhetoric
I'm not flying the flag for Trump, just observing. Next month if he holds in the polls he will be in the first debates, will be interesting where things head after it is over
Way to early to start counting electoral votes--Hillary is still running around making the Dems concerned
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
I suppose he may not last long enough in the race to do as much harm as is worried about. Just do try to grasp that there is a reason why liberal campaign circles are celebrating Trump while their conservative opponents are damned unhappy.
It is not about stirring things up on the conservative side. That's not what makes liberal campaign workers happy and conservative ones nervous.
Trump moves Electoral votes to the left from that key sector where elections are decided. Middle-ground voters, non-aligned voters, moderates.
It is about the Electoral vote count come election day.
Who are these conservative opponents of which you speak?
if he got nominated, and actually had a chance to win, I would vote for him.
I'm not too worried about what he said about gun control in the past; he's not rabidly against guns and I don't think he's going to press his luck on that issue once he gets elected.
not to worried about schmoozing with hildabeest and the democrats. whatever. he seems a political chameleon. whatever gets him money, clout, and gets him somewhere. I don't take that too seriously. I think he would do his job as a president well enough.
one thing that does scare me is his idea of having Oprah as VP.
need to shake this country up and break out of the choke hold from the establishment politicians that is sending this country down the sewer. we need someone that doesn't have some damn political party controlling him from behind the scenes and isn't afraid of doing things that piss off "the establishment" because it won't make them money and makes them look bad.
Twenty thousand--WOW--Those numbers will get the attention of the mutually corrupt Rhinos and Democrat Progressives. Lot of good old boys regardless of party will get together behind closed doors meetings. Hopefully this gives the Tea Party and Tea Party type some leverage within the Republican party and start squeezing the Rhinos to a high pitch voice
Unfortunately Trump is a RINO. I like what he says about dealing with the Muslims, Chinese, Russians and Mexico, but the rest of his agenda is pretty much the Democrat party line.
If by some miracle he is President of the United States you can kiss your black rifles and face to face purchases and trades goodbye and nationwide long waiting periods to purchase firearms.
He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
To start with they're committing a crime just by being here ILLEGALLY so that makes all of them criminals!
At least 90% of all the ILLEGALS are coming in through Mexico so why wouldn't you say it's Mexico's fault?? Canadian's are not the problem so who do you want to blame it on?
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
quote:Originally posted by SoreShoulder
He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
To start with they're committing a crime just by being here ILLEGALLY so that makes all of them criminals!
exactly what I was thinking today. and about "Mexico sending all their criminals", if they were on purpose, what are they going to do? send all their doctors, mailmen, and cashiers?
if you are going to swim your brown * across the Rio Grande, run through the desert evading INS, and live on the lam illegally once you get here, odds are you are of a criminal mindset to begin with that doesn't mind doing that, or have nothing to lose, or were on the run in Mexico already.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
If by some miracle he is President of the United States you can kiss your black rifles and face to face purchases and trades goodbye and nationwide long waiting periods to purchase firearms.really think so?
The Republican party forced Trump to come out by sitting on their collective * and letting Obama destroy this nation, I hope they're all shaking in their shoes.......me personally, as MSNBC commentator Chris Mathews stated "I'm feeling a tingle up my leg with excitement" [:D]
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
If by some miracle he is President of the United States you can kiss your black rifles and face to face purchases and trades goodbye and nationwide long waiting periods to purchase firearms.really think so?
That's what he said.
Comments
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/donald-trump-donations-democrats-hillary-clinton-119071.html
C&P from politico.com
Donald Trump jumped into the crowded and rowdy Republican presidential field on Tuesday, but the business magnate has astutely played both sides of the aisle for years, and has been especially cozy - financially and personally - with Hillary Clinton.
Clinton, the Democratic front-runner and former New York senator who had some say over policy that could have impacted Trump's vast business dealings, received donations from both him and son Donald Trump Jr. on separate occasions in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, according to state and federal disclosure records.
Trump has also been generous with the Clinton Foundation, donating at least $100,000, according to the non-profit.
In another sign of their closeness, Clinton attended Trump's 2005 wedding to current wife Melania Knauss at Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Florida, along with the likes of Katie Couric, Billy Joel and then-"American Idol" judge Simon Cowell. (According to People, Clinton had front-pew seating. Though Bill missed the ceremony itself, he did show up to the reception.)
C&P from pbs.org
Gun Control: Limit restrictions on guns. Ban some assault weapons and extend the waiting period for purchase.
During a 2013 interview with Fox News, the real estate mogul defined himself as, "a very strong person on the Second Amendment." He believes guns are necessary for self-defense and has written that he generally opposes gun control. In his 2000 book, "The America We Deserve" Trump wrote that he supports a ban on assault weapons and a slightly longer waiting period to buy a gun.
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Who was it that you said that you would Vote for again Chris in Tempe?
Not Hillary.
But whoever I end up voting for I'd sure as hell prefer that person not be weakened at the polls by idiots like Trump pushing moderates and undecideds to Hillary's camp.
I have noticed that we go through this every Election Cycle.
You bad mouth the Republicans trying to turn everyone against them, and never say who you Voted for. Hmmm.
He has guts and sticks to his guns. He is saying a lot of things people believe. He may be a blow hard and loud mouth but he is right on the money.
I am liking him more................he has a hot wife too.
He is an idiot and blowhard who is helping the conservative side to lose the election. Which he doesn't care about anyway. All this is about his ego. As long as he is enjoying it he will stay in and double-down on the Stupid.
egotistical blowhard, idiot, self serving????? JEEEZZ man, you just described EVERY politician running for high office in the last 50 years. Ben carson maybe not.
I don't like the arrogant basturd either but I'd vote for him because he ISN'T a politician and politicians got us where we are now.
I'm sick with and fed up of politicians.
A non politician MIGHT.....just MIGHT get us term limits for congress and the senate, if he's not assassinated first.
Question 1. Do you have a carry permit and shoot guns ?
Trump.. None of your damn business
Question 2. How will you handle the gun violence in America?
Trump.. Slippery Slope but I will not go against 2nd Amendment
Question3. How would you stop ISIS?
Trump... Knock out the Oil.. where they are getting their funding
Question 4. What about the Military in America?
Trump... I will build it up and make it strong.
Some young woman interviewed him last night and tried to get him upset.
Question 1. Do you have a carry permit and shoot guns ?
Trump.. None of your damn business
Question 2. How will you handle the gun violence in America?
Trump.. Slippery Slope but I will not go against 2nd Amendment
Question3. How would you stop ISIS?
Trump... Knock out the Oil.. where they are getting their funding
Question 4. What about the Military in America?
Trump... I will build it up and make it strong.
He is saying what conservatives want to hear!....I will no longer support any Republican for any office....
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Some young woman interviewed him last night and tried to get him upset.
Question 1. Do you have a carry permit and shoot guns ?
Trump.. None of your damn business
Question 2. How will you handle the gun violence in America?
Trump.. Slippery Slope but I will not go against 2nd Amendment
Question3. How would you stop ISIS?
Trump... Knock out the Oil.. where they are getting their funding
Question 4. What about the Military in America?
Trump... I will build it up and make it strong.
He is saying what conservatives want to hear!....I will no longer support any Republican for any office....
1. He actually told the lady that he had a permit, but responded with 'none of your business' when she asked if he owned a gun. Answers one but the not the other. Maybe means something, maybe it does not.
2. He has a proven track record of supporting a modified version of the 2nd Amendment. Fully supports background checks, supports an AWB, etc. Either he does not understand the 2nd, has changed his position, or is lying.
3. He is taking the 'attack the oil' from the Obama Adminstration playbook. The U.S. has been targeting oil installations under isis control as far back as October of 2014. Absent oil, isis would be self-sufficient through the taxing and extorting of people and activities in the land they control.
Oil is a piece, but not necessarily a game-changing piece.
4. How and why? In 2014, we spent as much as the next 7 countries combined. An change from 2012 when we spent as much as the next 10.
How is incredibly important given what we are spending now. His statement suggests he will add to our military. Will he spend more? Will he just spend more efficiently? Platitudes are cheap.
Next is why do we want to build up our military? Speak softly and carry a big stick approach? Don't see a whole lot of speak softly in Trump, so Teddy's line would have to modified somewhat.
All that said, his build a wall approach to the southern border is something I can get behind. I don't care that he did not have a firm answer about the illegals that are already here; stemming the flood is a good first step before deciding how to bail. His statement that he will get Mexico to pay for it is just stupid, and exposes that he doesn't really care too much about accuracy in his statement.
He remains a side show, but has thrown out a couple things that, if removed from his brand of bravado, may have legs.
Brad Steele
He has a strong draw of people to where they have to move to a larger site to accommodate the crowd with the help of Sherriff Joe
The Rhinos are terrified with the thought the head of the Golden Goose may have its head cut off--- Enough said look it up on Drudge and elsewhere you are seeing history being made every day, with the timing being right with the Stars/bars, Civil War, entitlements and illegal's maiming and killing robbing people uprooting our USA
I hope this holds together it is time for the middle class to be heard. Even the Texans are going to monitor the Jade people might, if all goes right, put a big crimp on the Government plans for Jade.
As a side note IMO, Iran is making Obama/Kerry look like the complete * they are. I suspect if Trump keeps going he will bring this up also.
It is not about stirring things up on the conservative side. That's not what makes liberal campaign workers happy and conservative ones nervous.
Trump moves Electoral votes to the left from that key sector where elections are decided. Middle-ground voters, non-aligned voters, moderates.
It is about the Electoral vote count come election day.
It is not about stirring things up on the conservative side. That's not what makes liberal campaign workers happy and conservative ones nervous.
I disagree, the libs will squeal the loudest on whatever subject, crusade or candidate concerns them at the time. IE look at the confederate flag how about same sex marriage they are now past that Trump and a couple other conservatives are now on their project list
On a local station one morning each week they have a notorious super lib on for about five minutes, the other day he was explaining how stupid the conservatives are being involved with Trump did mention how it would interfere with the established Rhinos (he didn't use the word Rhino he loves them). What I got is Trump scares the hell out of him
People I talk to in my area love the idea of Trump getting into and upsetting the professional every day politicians. They are tired of hearing the same old promises and rhetoric
I'm not flying the flag for Trump, just observing. Next month if he holds in the polls he will be in the first debates, will be interesting where things head after it is over
Way to early to start counting electoral votes--Hillary is still running around making the Dems concerned
I suppose he may not last long enough in the race to do as much harm as is worried about. Just do try to grasp that there is a reason why liberal campaign circles are celebrating Trump while their conservative opponents are damned unhappy.
It is not about stirring things up on the conservative side. That's not what makes liberal campaign workers happy and conservative ones nervous.
Trump moves Electoral votes to the left from that key sector where elections are decided. Middle-ground voters, non-aligned voters, moderates.
It is about the Electoral vote count come election day.
Who are these conservative opponents of which you speak?
I'm not too worried about what he said about gun control in the past; he's not rabidly against guns and I don't think he's going to press his luck on that issue once he gets elected.
not to worried about schmoozing with hildabeest and the democrats. whatever. he seems a political chameleon. whatever gets him money, clout, and gets him somewhere. I don't take that too seriously. I think he would do his job as a president well enough.
one thing that does scare me is his idea of having Oprah as VP.
need to shake this country up and break out of the choke hold from the establishment politicians that is sending this country down the sewer. we need someone that doesn't have some damn political party controlling him from behind the scenes and isn't afraid of doing things that piss off "the establishment" because it won't make them money and makes them look bad.
yep, if it's not a waste, he's got my vote.
Bernie Sanders got 10,000 for his speech and hildabeest only got a few thousand.
If by some miracle he is President of the United States you can kiss your black rifles and face to face purchases and trades goodbye and nationwide long waiting periods to purchase firearms.
He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
To start with they're committing a crime just by being here ILLEGALLY so that makes all of them criminals!
At least 90% of all the ILLEGALS are coming in through Mexico so why wouldn't you say it's Mexico's fault?? Canadian's are not the problem so who do you want to blame it on?
quote:Originally posted by SoreShoulder
He also didn't need to come off sounding like it's just Mexico, and that everyone from there is coming here to commit crimes instead of to get a job.
To start with they're committing a crime just by being here ILLEGALLY so that makes all of them criminals!
exactly what I was thinking today. and about "Mexico sending all their criminals", if they were on purpose, what are they going to do? send all their doctors, mailmen, and cashiers?
if you are going to swim your brown * across the Rio Grande, run through the desert evading INS, and live on the lam illegally once you get here, odds are you are of a criminal mindset to begin with that doesn't mind doing that, or have nothing to lose, or were on the run in Mexico already.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
If by some miracle he is President of the United States you can kiss your black rifles and face to face purchases and trades goodbye and nationwide long waiting periods to purchase firearms.really think so?
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
If by some miracle he is President of the United States you can kiss your black rifles and face to face purchases and trades goodbye and nationwide long waiting periods to purchase firearms.really think so?
That's what he said.