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Bad Experience .45 awhile ago New Pic

select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
edited June 2017 in General Discussion
Picked up my 1911 .45 out of the console of the truck. Hammer NOT cocked, finger off the trigger and gun discharged inside the cab. I am part deaf the way I am.. but I am telling you it was loud... I found the bullet a 185 +p HP that went thru the glove box door and stopped on the metal rail behind it. The empty casing tells the story if y'all can help me out. NO primer mark but a raised center section within the primer. Looks to me the primer was not seated. What say you? I know pics are blurry..

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  • dcon12dcon12 Member Posts: 32,040 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think you need a better camera! Don
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Taurus 1911 Al with factory goodies.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Where the primer strike is suppose to be has raised metal circle.. same as primer material
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Took the gun out back and ran mags of other ammo.. 4 or 5 kind..normal primer strikes.
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  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,383 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    this is a wild * guess the primer was not seated the face of the slide hit and set it off , the firing pin hole allowed the primer to expand back into it making it look like it going the wrong way out of the case ??
    like I said just a wild guess pulled out of the air [:I]

    was it factory loaded ammo
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gun lays in front section of center console. I picked it up and was taking it inside. Right hand pickup, gun at 9 oclock,ejection port up and the empty flew straight up , hit the roof and landed in door pocket. It just went off by handling it. Of course I had a grip in it and the grip safety was engaged. Hammer was not cocked. Looked at gun and bolt face is clean, firing pin not exposed and I took it out back and fired it without anything wrong. Primer was not seated and you can feel it with a fingernail the center is higher. Only in the center. Never seen a round go off without a primer strike.
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  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How hot was the inside of the truck?
    Does your carpet generate static electricity?
    Is your firing pin held to the rear by a spring?
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Ditch-Runner
    this is a wild * guess the primer was not seated the face of the slide hit and set it off , the firing pin hole allowed the primer to expand back into it making it look like it going the wrong way out of the case ??
    like I said just a wild guess pulled out of the air [:I]

    was it factory loaded ammo


    I didn't bump the gun or anything.. but the primer is raised in the center. Primer hole had to set it off but handling the gun? New MagTech ammo.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
    How hot was the inside of the truck?
    Does your carpet generate static electricity?
    Is your firing pin held to the rear by a spring?


    Inside truck was not hot. Rubber floor mats in truck.
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  • mnrivrat48mnrivrat48 Member Posts: 1,707 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    An ammo related problem it looks like. Either it was hot and cooked off, or it had a raised primer to begin with which ignited from slide bump.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Gotta tell you ... I am disappointed in the penetration of the .45. It was an accident, but I expected the rd to go thru the side of the truck, or in my heater core or deeper than it penetrated. It went in the glove box at an angle and screwed up the bottom of the box good but only put a dent in the thin metal behind the door. Got a trip to take tomorrow , lucky it didn't do more.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey


    Punch the primer out , there's a chance you have two primers crushed into the primer pocket,,,,,,,,,,but there still has to be enough force from bumping the slide to set if off.

    Was the hammer at half cock or down against the firing pin ,,,,,,l


    half cock, I didn't bump anything. How would 2 primers get in one pocket
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Took same ammo out of same mag and shot it. Normal primer strikes.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey


    Look inside the casing to see if there is something abnormal in or around the flash hole,,,,


    Looks normal, normal extraction mark
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey


    Don't be claiming 'hail' damage on the glove box ,,,,,,,,,,,[:D][}:)]



    I did the CSI.. put something in the hole to find the bullet trick. Told the wife to be careful riding in the other seat.. I might cap her knee the next time.

    Ram Tough. Glove box took out a .45 Duct tape repaired the inside of it.
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  • perry shooterperry shooter Member Posts: 17,105 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Half COCK is not a safety IMHO worst than fully cocked with safety off [:(][xx(][V]
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  • M1A762M1A762 Member Posts: 3,426 ✭
    edited November -1
    Why would you have the hammer on half cock with a round chambered? The half cock is only a safety measure in case the hammer slips when putting it on full cock.

    The best and safe way to carry a 1911 or Hi-Power is cocked & locked on a loaded chamber. Then you have the thumb and grip safeties activated.

    Your method of loaded chamber and hammer on half cock is asking for an accidental discharge, and in your case it happened.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by M1A762
    Why would you have the hammer on half cock with a round chambered? The half cock is only a safety measure in case the hammer slips when putting it on full cock.

    The best and safe way to carry a 1911 or Hi-Power is cocked & locked on a loaded chamber. Then you have the thumb and grip safeties activated.

    Your method of loaded chamber and hammer on half cock is asking for an accidental discharge, and in your case it happened.


    BS.. faulty ammo not any fault of the gun. Read the thread. I shot the gun with other ammo and some of the same ammo in the same mag. Primer is protruding in faulty rd.
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  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can't believe that nobody has asked if Dale's signature on the glove box was damaged by the bullet. . .
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  • M1A762M1A762 Member Posts: 3,426 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by M1A762
    Why would you have the hammer on half cock with a round chambered? The half cock is only a safety measure in case the hammer slips when putting it on full cock.

    The best and safe way to carry a 1911 or Hi-Power is cocked & locked on a loaded chamber. Then you have the thumb and grip safeties activated.

    Your method of loaded chamber and hammer on half cock is asking for an accidental discharge, and in your case it happened.


    BS.. faulty ammo not any fault of the gun. Read the thread. I shot the gun with other ammo and some of the same ammo in the same mag. Primer is protruding in faulty rd.


    I did read the thread, and the ammo was most likely the cause of accidental discharge. But if you had the pistol cocked and locked the slide can NOT move, unlike when you had the hammer at half cock. As Perry Shooter stated, the half cock is NOT a safety!
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    I can't believe that nobody has asked if Dale's signature on the glove box was damaged by the bullet. . .


    LMAO... However my Dale Jr. Camaro was sitting in the direct line of fire had the bullet exited the truck. I had a scare for a few minutes till I found no exit hole in my truck.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Going to bed, enough excitement today. Got to go see an old friend and pay for a car tomorrow I already have in my garage.
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by M1A762
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by M1A762
    Why would you have the hammer on half cock with a round chambered? The half cock is only a safety measure in case the hammer slips when putting it on full cock.

    The best and safe way to carry a 1911 or Hi-Power is cocked & locked on a loaded chamber. Then you have the thumb and grip safeties activated.

    Your method of loaded chamber and hammer on half cock is asking for an accidental discharge, and in your case it happened.


    BS.. faulty ammo not any fault of the gun. Read the thread. I shot the gun with other ammo and some of the same ammo in the same mag. Primer is protruding in faulty rd.


    I did read the thread, and the ammo was most likely the cause of accidental discharge. But if you had the pistol cocked and locked the slide can NOT move, unlike when you had the hammer at half cock. As Perry Shooter stated, the half cock is NOT a safety!


    Well the slide didn't move. Explain the discharge.
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  • remingtonoaksremingtonoaks Member Posts: 26,245 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Ok, you said it was in your center console right? Did you have your seat warmers on? Could the pistol have gotten a static charge from it, along with a protruded primer, coupled with a small bump of the pistol that set it off?

    Of course I'm reaching for straws here because it would be a 1 in several million shot this could happen. But......
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  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    taurus uses a series 80 style trigger bar safety, even at half cock the firing pin should not have hit the primer unless the trigger was pulled

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    not that i know anything about them
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  • roswellnativeroswellnative Member Posts: 10,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That will make the car have provenance and therefore its highly collectible now!

    that gun was designed to clear trenches...

    Single action is just not my cup,

    Glad you werent shot to death...

    Ros
    Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
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  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Heated propellant will generate above normal pressures. If the firing pin was jammed a little forward, it could have ignited the heat sensitive primer with a light tap and the overpressure of the propellant blew out the primer at the moment of recoil start.

    Heat or static electricity is bound to be a factor in the event.
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  • fideaufideau Member Posts: 11,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the primer is bulged and protruding, sounds as if it fired out of battery somehow. Check the casing against others to see if the rim is different in some way. Other than that, spontaneous combustion?
    I really have no good clue.
    Although I will say, I have a friend who shot himself in the leg while holstering his Colt, and swears he neither squeezed the trigger or compressed the grip safety.
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  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,262 ******
    edited November -1
    Holy schmoly. Glad no one got hurt. That's crazy scary there. Please post any update to your findings and what ammo manufc. says.
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  • redneckandyredneckandy Member Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How far is that primer bulged out? Either the action wasn't locked up or you have a headspace problem. Was the pistol holstered?

    If that primer was bulged enough to hold the slide back putting pressure from the mainspring on it I could almost see that setting the primer off.
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  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Glad you are not hurt.


    My advice get rid of the Taurus.

    I want guns named after dead white men not animals, stars, constellations or animals.

    This is another reason I like a striker fired gun for SD, Or a revolver. If left unattended they seem to fair better.
    RLTW

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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I have played out exactly the sequence of what happened. I got up in the truck, opened the console, picked up my leather wallet and comb that was on top of the gun. Put the wallet in my rear pocket and combed my hair. Put the comb in my back pocket. Picked up the gun with my right hand and moved it from the console to approx the angle of the glove box and it discharged into the lower part of the box. It was not in position to look down sights but sideways like a gang banger would shoot. Nothing was bumped and I had a light grip on it, not a death grip. gun almost jumped out of my hand after going off. I do have a problem. I shot the gun two days ago and ran some ball ammo thru it. When I reloaded the gun with the magtech guardian gold, I installed the mag and hand charged the round. IF that primer was out too far , it should have went off when I charged it. The spot in the center of the primer looks like it is welded to the primer. I did clean my truck two days ago and installed seat covers over the leather seats. They have been on the truck before with no issue. IF this firearm went off because I combed my hair and put my wallet in the back pocket while in the drivers seat because of static electricity. Never heard of that before and is it possible to ignite a primer. NO primer indentation at all, looks like it is welded together. I took the gun out and shot it numerous times no faults.... If the gun is faulty I will cut it up in little pieces.
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well atleast it went through the glove box and not through the heater core or exited the exterior sheet metal. What did you use to clean the staining off the driver's seat? [:D]
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  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    I can't believe that nobody has asked if Dale's signature on the glove box was damaged by the bullet. . .


    LMAO... However my Dale Jr. Camaro was sitting in the direct line of fire had the bullet exited the truck. I had a scare for a few minutes till I found no exit hole in my truck.


    I'm glad it worked out OK. I want you to know I was just joking around, and I'm glad nobody was hurt and that there wasn't too serious property damage. That must have scared the heck out of you.
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  • m88.358winm88.358win Member Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would never trust that gun again. Even if is the ammo's fault.
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  • Sam06Sam06 Member Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by m88.358win
    I would never trust that gun again. Even if is the ammo's fault.



    yep
    RLTW

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  • kidthatsirishkidthatsirish Member Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is really strange. If you don't mind me asking, why was the pistol in the half cock? Please upload a better pick when able of the case with the primer. I would love to see what the ammo and pistol manufacture say.

    Have you tried disassembling the pistol down yet...id love to see the condition of the diring pin.
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  • RugerNinerRugerNiner Member Posts: 12,636 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You pulled the trigger.
    Stop trying to justify your negligence.
    Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
    NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
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  • riflemikeriflemike Member Posts: 10,599 ✭
    edited November -1
    glad you are ok[^]
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  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i have seen over pressured rounds burn holes where the firing pin struck the primer, i have seen them push the firing pin strike out and look as you described as a "weld", i have seen primers blown out, primers expand completely and round on the end and look like no primer strike at all, but there was

    you need to compare the "weld" location with previous spent rounds and their primer strikes


    i do not believe for a second that static electricity would set off this rounds, if it could it would have set off the other rounds in the gun, not just the one in the chamber
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