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quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
I am always struck in conversations about illegal immigrants from somewhere/anywhere South of us to hear how they are such wonderful people, a credit to the human race, and a positive factor in this country, even as a relatively small segment of the population.
Yet their home countries, where these fine and devout folks are an overwhelming majority, are without exception 3rd World crapholes, full of multi-generational poverty, crime, and corruption at every level.
Who is causing those countries to be such cruddy places? Roving bands of Norwegians? Icelandic separatists? Belgian polygamists?
I have this crazy idea that these people belong to a culture that has never formed a successful, functioning 1st World society anywhere on the race of the planet. Coming here, and continuing to follow that failed culture simply brings those problems with them.
It is a false choice to claim that we have to deport all the illegal immigrants, or just live with them. Stop enabling their remaining. Require E-Verify be used. Clamp down on remittances that support the non-functional countries they left behind. Stop supporting their prolific breeding with endless public subsidies. They will self-deport when the gravy train ends, and if they are as wonderful and family oriented as some like to claim, they will take their spawn with them.
You just stated most of the ideas I have been espousing for years. Even most folks that I associate with think I am too much of a hard *,....especially on the 'legal child' issue.
My response is much like yours. If you want to maintain the family unit, take your kid back to your mother country. If you want him/her to be raised in America put them up for adoption.
The parents that came here illegally are the ones responsible for the mess the kids are in,....not me. Breaking the law can have some unpleasant results, and it should.
Spot on. The left always uses 'The children' whenever it serves their purpose. It is always enlightening when they say 'We can't break up the families!' and you respond I don't expect to. I assume these wonderful parents would take their children with them when they go.
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first you falsely rant that I was trying to force my religious beliefs on you. Now you playing the saint. I don't have a version of Christianity of my own. I simply referred to a Bible chapter. If you resent that so bad what you say about your beliefs is hard to believe. I wasn't referring to you to begin with you just took it upon yourself.
So far it 75% for rounding them up and deporting them. Men women and kids. About 25% for E-verify and cut off the free stuff. Personally I'm for the E-verify route but I'm willing to bet money it doesn't happen either way. My guess is there will be a strong attempt to deport all criminals and that will be fairly successful. I think the rest of them will stay here and start a path to citizenship. They won't pay a fine because they can't. Has anybody here ever tried to collect a bill from a illegal Mexican??
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quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
I am always struck in conversations about illegal immigrants from somewhere/anywhere South of us to hear how they are such wonderful people, a credit to the human race, and a positive factor in this country, even as a relatively small segment of the population.
Yet their home countries, where these fine and devout folks are an overwhelming majority, are without exception 3rd World crapholes, full of multi-generational poverty, crime, and corruption at every level.
Who is causing those countries to be such cruddy places? Roving bands of Norwegians? Icelandic separatists? Belgian polygamists?
I have this crazy idea that these people belong to a culture that has never formed a successful, functioning 1st World society anywhere on the race of the planet. Coming here, and continuing to follow that failed culture simply brings those problems with them.
It is a false choice to claim that we have to deport all the illegal immigrants, or just live with them. Stop enabling their remaining. Require E-Verify be used. Clamp down on remittances that support the non-functional countries they left behind. Stop supporting their prolific breeding with endless public subsidies. They will self-deport when the gravy train ends, and if they are as wonderful and family oriented as some like to claim, they will take their spawn with them.
You just stated most of the ideas I have been espousing for years. Even most folks that I associate with think I am too much of a hard *,....especially on the 'legal child' issue.
My response is much like yours. If you want to maintain the family unit, take your kid back to your mother country. If you want him/her to be raised in America put them up for adoption.
The parents that came here illegally are the ones responsible for the mess the kids are in,....not me. Breaking the law can have some unpleasant results, and it should.
Spot on. The left always uses 'The children' whenever it serves their purpose. It is always enlightening when they say 'We can't break up the families!' and you respond I don't expect to. I assume these wonderful parents would take their children with them when they go.
The reaction is always priceless.
first you falsely rant that I was trying to force my religious beliefs on you. Now you playing the saint. I don't have a version of Christianity of my own. I simply referred to a Bible chapter. If you resent that so bad what you say about your beliefs is hard to believe. I wasn't referring to you to begin with you just took it upon yourself.
So far it 75% for rounding them up and deporting them. Men women and kids. About 25% for E-verify and cut off the free stuff. Personally I'm for the E-verify route but I'm willing to bet money it doesn't happen either way. My guess is there will be a strong attempt to deport all criminals and that will be fairly successful. I think the rest of them will stay here and start a path to citizenship. They won't pay a fine because they can't. Has anybody here ever tried to collect a bill from a illegal Mexican??