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FAKES & WANNABEES
Ironrifle
Member Posts: 664 ✭
I`ve run into a dozen or more in the last 10 years and they wear me out! The fake POW`s are the worst! When you call them on it, they bow up and lie even more! Anyone else have them in their AO? Charlie
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Best one was a Marine (NOT) who took 18 weeks of basic training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma.[}:)]
I also did advanced AIT at Fort Sill in 67, Tank mech. then back to Fort Carson Co. 5th Mec HHC 2/11Inf then to Nam.
Jimboak47
RVN 67-69,71-72
quote:Originally posted by Ironrifle
I was at through Ft.Sill in `66-`67 for AIT. Only took 8 weeks, and they didn`t have any Basic Tng. there back then. Hey, 11br, are you a member of the SFA? I know a few of them here in Arkansas!
He even has a peice of shrapnel left in his right arm. But where's the scar? And no Purple Heart.
He's the biggest liar/full of crap a ss hat I've ever known. He went off on some innocent young woman at work, made her cry and he brags about it. Spent time in Michigan City for beating the crap out of his wife through a divorce.
Being a Navy guy, it seems everyone I meet used to be a SEAL...
They're coming out of the woodwork these days.
I've come up with a mathematic equation to help determine the level of BS on many topics, including this one.
Determine the number of drinks they've had and multiply that by the number of hot chicks in the vicinity who wouldn't otherwise give them a second glance.
J(agoff)X B(eers) X H(ot)C(hicks)= WBS (Wannabe Seal).
It's been pretty accurate, as far as I can tell.
Golf311
Yeah, I forgot about that one...a ton of guys claim to be Seals too, met two of them one night in a joint. Found out later that neither one had even been in the service. Seals, LRRPS, SF, Spooks, wonder why they do that? Like I said, wonder where all the clerks, bakers, cooks, and the life guards on China Beach went to? Hey, I do know a guy, grew up with him, that was a medical equipment repairman in the Nam. And that's what he told everybody that he was! Donnie deserved a medal for that one...one honest guy. Not one commando story in the bunch for that boy...he did wonder how in the hell he got that MOS though!
Golf311
Rumor has it that the guy I mentioned earlier was a clerk. I forgot to mention he tried out for the Indiana Pacers, in a scrimmage one day he held Larry Bird to 3 points. He's 5'9".
SNAFU
2/1 A Cav 68-69
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I was in Nam in '69 as an MRF skipper. I was wounded and sent home after much political finagling by my wife, who had no idea if I was dead or alive.
I resumed my Navy career, and after awhile had pretty well gotten over the trauma of what I had experienced in country. I would every so often relate some of the different actions I had been involved in to my close friends, never dreaming what would happen.
My closest friend (at the time) would continually prompt me for more details about what I saw and did over there, and with the help of a few beers, I told him things that I thought were in confidentiality. I gave him a picture of a PBR in a firefight that I was given from the ship I was on at the time, because I wasn't attached to TF-116, but I thought he would enjoy it.
One day at his house, I was walking past where he had hung this picture, and I heard him say"This was my boat in Nam". I couldn't believe what I had heard, and chalked it up to a little too much partying.
A couple of days later, I was told that he was telling everyone at the local Moose Lodge of his different experiences in Nam, and he and his wife shortly had nothing more to do with us socially. I was very hurt at having my so-called "best friend" ignoring me. He eventually was elected governor of the lodge, and all the while kept up the charade. Our remaining friends finally saw the light, and kept us appraised of his antics. He and his wife subsequently moved to northern California, where I was told he got himself elected to a post in a Veteran's club.
I know for a fact that he was never in-country Viet Nam, and how he could throw away a friendship, and I thought we had a good one, for the only purpose of creating a false senario is a real mystery to me.
Is this an isolated case, or are there others who are doing this?
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buttplate
Anyhow, my mom takes a trip down to Texas where my grandmother lived at the time and on the plane home she sits next to this guy that says he was a Seal and was on Salinas Point before us Rangers ever got there. There were Seals on Grenada before we got there...just not on Salinas Point. Says the mission was so secret they never let us know they were there...Whatever, I quit fighting it.
Had a 1SG, who was my 1SG in Grenada, say he was a POW in VN in JAN of '71? for ten days. He had a chest full of ribbons...the full salad bar we call it. Anyhow, someone stepped forward and said no way is it true. He is now being chased by the prosecutors of the Stolen Valor Act. Too bad more morons can't figure out the truth.
On the opposite side, I have a co-worker who thinks he is above military service. Says the conflict in the middle-east is the absolutely necessary...then turns around and disses servicemembers. He is a wannabe manager. He got there by doing all the corporate things...backstabbing, blame-gaming etc. He is someone I have force myself to keep from kicking his * on sight.
The total fakers are almost laughable. The ones that really dig down in me are the guys who pretty much had a good record and then have to go off on some BS like they did some mission that only five ever went on. My 1SG in Grenada was one and we had a PSG in our company(not mine) that had this poison dart story like he was a mercenary when he was fifteen in the jungles of South America. He was an outstanding PSG otherwise! but he was into doing the hokey comic book hero stuff to make it look like he was tougher. We were standing in chow line one day and he comes along and says he wants a raw hamburger. Funny as the chow sergeant and I had just finished talking about the many reasons to cook meat, ESPECIALLY hamburger, properly. It's the microbes ...no matter how tough you are or not squeamish, nothing you can do to kill them except cook them...LOL.
Knew about some O-types that were as bad. The whole reason I ended up in the Rangers was I read this story of this SF Col. who made a demonstration in front of a bunch of guys about how to take a knife away from someone(his driver). Anyhow he gets his hand cut really bad. Three years later I'm going through the SF scuba school and some of the guys there knew about this incident. Turns out the driver had a good day...then a real bad year(reassigned). The Col was kind of known for that kind of stuff and wasn't in good mood when it went south on him. Some guys heroics got them pretty far and others it got them buried in a backwater job that barely left them able to retire as an 0-4. I thought it was politics at first but looking back I really see the major wasn't really moveable to the next level. His staff/command job really was about as high overall as he was able to handle.
with all the "combat talking" then left. Just for the hell of it check out the casualties and notice the top 10 plus were just damn plain
ground pounding Infantry divisions. 2/3 of all KIA were just plain Infantry "ground pounders" like myself. Granted, all did their jobs,
but we took the brunt of casualties in the Infantry.
dug out my old combat history report today;
Deckhouse I, 18 june-27 june 1966.
DECKHOUSE II & Nathen Hale, 28 june-02 july 1966, Heavy kill ratio Vs USMC wounded/KIA
COLORADO 5 aug- 15 aug 65, hard one and cost a lot of good marines.
Jackson, 27 Aug- 30 Aug 65 another hard one.
NAPA, 4 Sept. 15 Sept.
SWIFT Sept 66
A few more, plus the ambushes, OP, LP, baby sitting hills outside Chu-Lie for a month. Checking ID's in rice paddies within 2 clicks of chu-lie on a near daily basis. the rest is bunker watches or go to town to drink a beer.
I still run into "combat vets" who went on dangerous, clandestine missions that can't be verified because "the records had been destroyed in the St. Louis fire". Hah!
Funniest thing I remember was a guy in the 1/508 that had "awarded" himself all types of qualifications -- CIB, Scuba School, Recondo, Pathfinder, you name it, he wore the badge. Trouble was, the CO checked out his records and found them all FAKE. That young Spec 4 spent some time in the stockade for that one.
One thing I do know about guys who served in combat - they don't yap about it. It is a singular experience.
Thanks to all you guys that did serve in combat. In VietNam, and everywhere else. I salute you. All The Way,
I was 9 years Navy and spent 3 years flying off the birdcages at Yankee Station 1961-1964.
was in wichita last week & a guy around 60??? had on a ball cap said wounded veteran, purple heart pic on it....first i have ever seen that....just wondered
Those are available at a lot of military supply companies. It doesn't mean they did or did not earn it.
Ironrifle- nope. Ranger (11B6R MOS) Got a bunch of friends that are, have spent time handing out at JFK Center, but not SF. Now, my GRANDSON....[:p]
11B6R?
Skill level 5 is the highest enlisted skill level and applies to both E-8 (MSG/1SG) and E-9 (SGM/CSM). There is no skill level 6.
As for "R"...RANGER designation is "V". So an E-8 or E-9 Infantryman at a Ranger Battalion would have an MOS of 11B5V. If another MOS he'd be whatever that MOS was as far as three character alpha-numeric MOS identifier plus the numerical skill level identifier plus the RANGER identifier of "V". For example a SSG Supply NCO who was RANGER qualified would be 92Y3V: 92Y- Supply Specialist/3- E6-Staff Sergeant/V -RANGER Qualified.
Which battalion were assigned to when you retired?
Who knows, maybe 40 years from now we'll be plagued with a new set of these numbnutz-pretenting to have served in "The Sandbox" Lock and Load..
Some good read here guys!! Do they have a name for this sickness?
Seems like most of these scumballs are just pathological psychotic compulsive liars throughout life.[V]
There was one guy at work years ago after desert storm that said on a monday that over the weekend he was on a military flight to Iraq to assasinate Saddam. We said BS we didn't hear anything about it in the news. He replied well the plane broke down and the mission was called off. The psycopath then said if it wasn't for him repairing the plane they would have never made it back home.
Talk about laughing so hard your guts were coming out. He just turned red in the face and walked away.
Just for the record I've never been in the service. Too young for vietnam signed up for the draft oh '78-'79? when they reinstated it then the Iranian hostage crisis came and we thought we'd be drafted but no. Then I was too old for desert storm. Just one of the ones that was between conflicts.
When my son took history in high school the teacher asked if anyone in the room had a parent who served in VN. He was the only one who raise his hand. I'l bet there were a few kids whose parents did serve in VN and they didn't know it. Combat vets usually don't like to talk about it, even with each other.
I served on a carrier, providing much needed air support to our in country troops but I've sure never tried to act like I knew what it was like in the bush, trying to survive all the emotional and physical elements of living and dying there. I've met a lot of VVs who look like hollow tombs of a human being, still suffering from all the trauma they experienced, some I believe died there, just didn't come home in a body bag. I have no less respect for those guys than I would for a CMH recipient, but maybe even more compassion for the prison they live in and have for the last nearly 40 years.
Most real Viet Vets don't TALK. they are certainly not ashamed of their service but don't get caught up in all the TALK. they are silent until they are challenged on their service OR find one of those famous wannabees OR best of all, meet a brother they can do some quick exchange with and move on. You won't find many true VVs that do much talking, they just listen and when their BS alarm starts going off, they'll move on.
I served on a carrier, providing much needed air support to our in country troops but I've sure never tried to act like I knew what it was like in the bush, trying to survive all the emotional and physical elements of living and dying there. I've met a lot of VVs who look like hollow tombs of a human being, still suffering from all the trauma they experienced, some I believe died there, just didn't come home in a body bag. I have no less respect for those guys than I would for a CMH recipient, but maybe even more compassion for the prison they live in and have for the last nearly 40 years.