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One shot
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We have heard of some problems with the 5.56 round. what do ya think.
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One shot has it right with the M-60. When I was there the 60 performed very well with very minimal jams. But the 60 doesn'y have the tight tolorances the 16 has either.
When I was there I had more fire power on my truck than I could ever use. Between me and my co-driver we had M-16, M-60, M-203, two AK's, with the ammo for all of it, plus 2 cases of gernades. So we were ready for what ever was thrown at us.
They used it to down Japanese Zero's and now use it to down Iwaqi's.
If it stands, flies, or floats.....a .50 will take it.
I'm not going to get into the cartridge argument but I found the M4 to be quite adequate. I wiped mine down daily and did a thorough cleaning once/week. I used nothing but Otis Dry-Lube or Strike-Hold cleaner/lube and never had a jam.
Have to agree here. I had no problems in Afghanistan in 2002. Official Army studies did not find a problem with the 5.56 round per se, although the newer NATO rounds in use (62g) were faulted for not producing the results at close range previously experienced with the 55g bullets. The main advantage of the 7.62 is penetration and accuracy/lethality beyond 400 meters. As to the M4/M16 system, I think its been proven to work fairly well, anecedotal evidence to the contrary. The IDF(Israel Defense Force) prefer the M16 system and have all but dumped the Galil in favor of it now. Last time I was in Israel it was pretty dusty and hot...
I personally enjoyed the MK-19, however in Mogadishu it was pretty much overkill/useless. While there I preferred the M-60. But now for work I prefer the .40 caliber as my primary and secondary and off-duty weapon.
Hello sir,
You were in Mogadishu? If you don't mind me asking,what were you, ranger? Thanks
M1A1
.50 cal.
They used it to down Japanese Zero's and now use it to down Iwaqi's.
If it stands, flies, or floats.....a .50 will take it.
AMEN ........... the 50 cal is a great weapon. It eats whatever it hits! On the downside, we had a light rain immediately followed by a sandstorm, and you would have thought they were filled with concrete. Didnt take too long to unscrew them though.
i'm still in school but i like the A-10 Warthog with the 30 mm GAU-8 gun, theres nothing like being hit with a bullet filled with depleted uranium, [xx(]
Excellent choice, you should see them with all weapons stations loaded.
Me, Desert Shield/Storm, Saudi Arabia.
the new 6.5 cal. looks good...
the 6.5 grendel? I think you mean the 6.8SPC, I don't know if the grendel has officaly seen any action.
I don't man to put words in your mouth so maybe you do mean the grendel.. <shrug>
The 240B was definitely my favorite. Nearly the speed of a m249 and the power of a .308....Sweetness
im gonna agree with this one, i just finished basic at the beginning of this month but the 240B and the SAW were my favorites
Originally posted by walther86
The 240B was definitely my favorite. Nearly the speed of a m249 and the power of a .308....Sweetness
im gonna agree with this one, i just finished basic at the beginning of this month but the 240B and the SAW were my favorites
I'll agree with that one, Although my all time favorite to shoot was the MK-19. But most of my time in service the only thing I had in my hands was a mop, broom or floor buffer.
In recent issue of Shotgun News I saw an article on how short our troops are in the "Sandbox TO" today, saddens me no end they are lacking for the basics- bore brushes, cleaning patches, CLP and Cleanzoil, etc. I sent a care package just before Xmas to this APO, and ask you guys to do the same- Thanks: Sgt. First Class Richard I. Lugo (USA) B 3-7 CAV APO AE 09378.
I am a retired navy reservis tha t was recalled to active with
desert storm /shield have always loved the 556
but a couple yrs a go i bought a armalite AR10 in cmo
for deer hunting
simply love the reliability and knockdown of the system
and the precision that it is.
if i were back doing the dirty i would have it at my side.
have shot 4 deer so far and the furthest " trail" was ten feet.
ABH-1 retired
im sorry i have been to the sandbox, and i got tired of using 2-3 rounds to take down "Haji" 5.56 is goog for hunting varmant, but people is a different story. Geneva conventions suck! learn from our past. the 7.62x51 and 30.06 round was PERFECT we should have never changed
haha with all the proportionality classes ive had to sit through i totally agree. Ill never forget i had an instructor at our mob site that actually asked me if i knew what the geneva convention was cause i had used my m2 with blank ammo during a battle drill and not told the 240b gunners to engage the threat cause there was an issue of "proportionality"
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im sorry i have been to the sandbox, and i got tired of using 2-3 rounds to take down "Haji" 5.56 is goog for hunting varmant, but people is a different story. Geneva conventions suck! learn from our past. the 7.62x51 and 30.06 round was PERFECT we should have never changed
haha with all the proportionality classes ive had to sit through i totally agree. Ill never forget i had an instructor at our mob site that actually asked me if i knew what the geneva convention was cause i had used my m2 with blank ammo during a battle drill and not told the 240b gunners to engage the threat cause there was an issue of "proportionality"
thats the Army for ya [;)]
"We" took on the philosophy....accuracy by volume. seemed to work the 2x 6mos i did in fallujah/najaf
Now the 7.62 was for far off but I carried my trusty 12 gauge for up close and personal. Ever see what 00 buckshot does to your body at close range? Ever see what a 5.56 does to a body at close range? The holes that the two leave are like comparing grapes to grapefruits.
From personal experience, size does matter.
(This is my rifle. There are many like but this one is mine.)
But my Baby was the M-60, Got good with it and then later was able to teach others. Not sure of the Moel but the one from Mid 70's to 90's. The changed it in early 90's and it was never the same for me.
Now the 5.56 that I would have refused to carry was the SAW.
1st time I had the chance to fire one, one round and the Barrel went down range. It sheared off the barrel latch. The other times it Jamed more than it fired.
But have heard they improved it so that it is now working.
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Weapons on the other hand are a bit different in my opinion and I definitely have some favorites and some I intensely dislike...but that was not the topic was it.
Now...If I had my ideal play toy for ops work, AI AW in 5.56, suppressed with a nice 10x hensoldt (spelling?)
Cheers everyone!
BTW sorry to sneak in and hijack your forums, not us mil but did get to have fun in the cold cold sand during Sheild/Storm.
And just a quick edit, I did see something on television (future weapons i think) that had a company in the southern US owned by an ex-us army sf bloke who had developed a 6.5mm based of the 5.56 Nato case that was showing some promise, i think it was a fairly seriously improved BC.(Ballistic cooefficient)
Hearts and minds of the next generation were being won with candy and toys! What a weapon!