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For my brothers that own more than 1 gun
Canary ass no. 12
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It might be a good idea to hide/stash a few in different places. There is the possibilty that raids could take place while you are not home and you wind up loosing all of your weapons. This does not pertain to me as I have sold all of my firearms. I know that some of you own more than 1 and figured it might be a good idea. Keep your powder dry !!
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Prison Guards & Grave Diggers !
The rest of the living people will be slaves !
free and dead, or alive and a slave. Easy choice. I have become fairly enamored with what little freedom I have. I want more, like say, the kind Americans experienced 200 years ago.
Yessir.
You of course will not have the serial numbers..few do...but keep in mind for the future..as you sell off arms.
I you give them false names, if they want you, they will come back for you after they check them out. Just don't be there...for at that point you have become an enemy of the State anyway.
That is...you will be an enemy of the State if you are an American...
The only reason to bury weapons is to go to them directly after you have lost the ones you are carrying due to enemy actions of some sort..and you must replace those weapons so as to take out another objective.
Burying weapons so you can attempt to ride out the storm in the hope of the political climate changing merely tells the world that no American Founders blood runs in your veins.
You were born in this country...but you are not a part of it. You just as well be Italian or French or Russian, for all your attachment to American ideals.
Gun controllers ARE THE DEALDY ENEMY OF AMERICANS...no matter WHAT they call themselves. Ever man involved in the gun controllers schemes is an agent of a foreign government.
Anyone have ideas on this ?
We got 55 inches of rain this year. Hard to stop Mother Nature.
I think perhaps the vaccuum sealers; Seal the weapon in a bag..place bag in 6" PVC..place a bag of dissicent in the bottom of PVC. Bury where the water has a chance on running off...not collecting around ttube. Seal tube with the PVC glue.
Heavy grease on weapon and in barrel..Cosmoline if you can get it. The problem arises is...these plastic bags will interact with some greases..and you won't find out till you dig it back up.
Ten years ago, I helped a old fellow dig up some buried 'treasures'. He had put medicines, and some dried foodstuffs, and other things in the tubes...they came out of the ground unrecognizable. We could not identify much of what was in the tubes...including the lumps of solid iron ore that was Model 10 Smith and Wessons when he placed them there 5 years before.
That experience forced me to re-think the whole 'burying' thing.
There occurred some sort of chemical interactions in several of those tubes...
A false paper trail will be considered (correctly) perjury, and lessen the impact of any stance that is taken. Additionally, if you falsify documentation stating that you have nothing, you have no case for retrieval.
In the end, this battle will be won by eliminating laws. One cannot bring a case for Unconstitutional seizure if nothing has been seized.
Brad Steele
A false paper trail will be considered (correctly) perjury, and lessen the impact of any stance that is taken. Additionally, if you falsify documentation stating that you have nothing, you have no case for retrieval.
In the end, this battle will be won by eliminating laws. One cannot bring a case for Unconstitutional seizure if nothing has been seized.]
Different philosophies.
I have no desire to pursue anything thru corrupted Courts. I have not the means nor the lifetime left to do so.
Nor do I believe it would serve any worthwhile purpose.
My scenario is merely designed to allow one to escape the instant `dragged-off-to-the-gulag' I envision ..and give one the chance to resist.
I am fully aware of the ultimate consequences of 'false testimony to authorites' crap. I am also aware that that will be the SMALLEST infraction Americans will be accused of, down the road.
Different philosophies.
I have no desire to pursue anything thru corrupted Courts. I have not the means nor the lifetime left to do so.
Nor do I believe it would serve any worthwhile purpose.
My scenario is merely designed to allow one to escape the instant `dragged-off-to-the-gulag' I envision ..and give one the chance to resist.
I am fully aware of the ultimate consequences of 'false testimony to authorites' crap. I am also aware that that will be the SMALLEST infraction Americans will be accused of, down the road.
The corrupted courts will serve an arrest warrant if documented firearms are not found. Resisting will be difficult if locked up. This is why we must secure as many undocumented firearms as we feel necessary while we still can, a right that still exists in most states.
Once the ability to resist is secured through undocumented purchase, then the documented seizure is the avenue to pursue through the courts. It is a gamble, and may not be successful, but the ability to resist is still secure.
The scenario is that the home is raided while the homeowner is absent, meaning resistance to the seizure itself is not possible. If that theft takes place, and they find what they expect to find, the court challenge can commence in parrellel with a more active resistance as required.
Yes, a different philosophy. One philosophy provides an avenue of attack through the courts and retains a defensive ability, while the other prevents any positive action through the legal system.
I probably have 20 years left. I'd give it a shot.
Brad Steele
The instant they raid my house, 'defensive' is moot.
You have 20 years yet..go for the courts, if that is where your heart lies.
Why do you think this will change?
Up to this point, the courts have not been our friend.
Why do you think this will change?
Amen. If you end up with a non-prejudice prosecutor and/or judge (re firearms) you are the exception, not the rule!!![V]
I have converted to swords, sheilds , spears, and crossbow ! I am ready !
You may want to rethink this???
My definition of terminal stupidity is:
Bringing a knife to a gun fight!!!![:0][;)]
Remember the Battle of Concord!!!!
the police are not obligated to protect any citizen, only the "law" and soon well be the outlaws. the only one i expect to protect my family's freedom is me. I wll not give up my firearms.[:(!]
The instant they raid my house, 'defensive' is moot.
Good point. A false paper trail and un-found documented firearms will result in an arrest warrant upon your return however, and your future is either that of a free fugitive or a prisoner.
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You have 20 years yet..go for the courts, if that is where your heart lies.
Not where my heart lies, but a necessary step. Unless SCOTUS overturns a confiscation law, all who would stand up for the 2nd will be fugitives. The court case is a necessity. If the law is upheld, fugitives we are. It is an absolutely necessary step.
Brad Steele
Up to this point, the courts have not been our friend.
Why do you think this will change?
I don't.
It is my belief that establishing legitimacy requires the exhaustion of all legal means. For some it will be too late by that time, but for those that continue and those that would join, there will then be no question as to which side is legitimate in the eyes of the Constitution.
Brad Steele
Think that will happen ? [:D]
I cannot co-exist with those that feel they must use violence and the over-bearing power of the government to disarm me.
I will resist with superior violence. These people have never fought an American Minuteman.
I believe that there MUST come a time that we rift this country of all in power holding gun control near and dear to their hearts...and that removal must be done using any methods possible.
That removal starts the day they enact a sweeping gun ban.
Voting, by virture of an entire Nation of stupid people, is not the answer.
OH Christ, the only thing the Minutemen ( I prefer 2 1/2 Hour or Day men) will be fighting is the cold , as they are detained in Alaska for the rest of there natural life. Build up some body fat now ! [:D]
Alaska!!![:0]
I figure it will be a warmer climate. It costs A LOT to maintain a camp up here. I should know. One more and wake up, and SOUTH I come.[;)]
It might serve well the brethren to remember that 'melkor' is the ultimate evil in the series. He betrays every tenant of decency, honor, ethics ..nothing is sacred save his own skin.
One that takes its name from such as that no doubt shares some of those attributes.
Melkor is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth legendarium.
It might serve well the brethren to remember that 'melkor' is the ultimate evil in the series. He betrays every tenant of decency, honor, ethics ..nothing is sacred save his own skin.
One that takes its name from such as that no doubt shares some of those attributes.
I think he should change from 'melkor' to 'spoon'. All he does is stir the pot!!![}:)]
I just bring reason to the barking ankle bitters, pointing out that your group of minutemen even if nationalaly organized would be nothing but a tiny ankle bitting doggie, that will get spanked out of existance. Bad dog !!
I am not a minuteman. I am an old soldier/cop who won't take any more crap from the powers that be. I would rather fight then run and if is my undoing, so be it!!![}:)]
If the Court saw fit to reject such a gun ban, and ALSO placed all involved in the decision to enact that ban in jail...I might see my way to remaining peaceful.
Think that will happen ? [:D]
I cannot co-exist with those that feel they must use violence and the over-bearing power of the government to disarm me.
I will resist with superior violence. These people have never fought an American Minuteman.
I believe that there MUST come a time that we rift this country of all in power holding gun control near and dear to their hearts...and that removal must be done using any methods possible.
That removal starts the day they enact a sweeping gun ban.
Voting, by virture of an entire Nation of stupid people, is not the answer.
HB:
The court case must be pursued to expose that those in power have foresaken the Constiution.
That rift of which you speak must only occur after the pretenders are exposed and convicted by their actions. You see people on this very forum expressing that some restrictions are necessary. It is these people that give them the hope that they can kill us by the death of ten thousand cuts. A court case of this nature will finally wake those who claim to support the 2nd that they are in fact in bed with the devil.
The sweeping gun ban will turn the 3% to 30%. It is that court cast that will turn the 30% to a majority.
It is necessary. Disgusting that it is, but it is.
Brad Steele
Plus if you know you are gonna fight, you could make an offensive move or two. But people have families and we will probably not fight, so hopefully we can get help elsewhere.
You know I have given that alot of thought. When that time comes and the jack booted goon squad shows up at your door to take your guns away, and about 2/3rds of the population gives the same answer "I sold this or that or all my guns". They may be idiots but they will not be stupid.
Actually, as soon as Mr. Obama was elected I saw the light. I hack sawed all of my weapons up and, as a good environmentalist, I put the pieces out for recycle. I chipped up the wooden stocks for compost in my organic garden. I am going to have all of this extra brass melted down, beating my swords into plowshares, and have giant peace symbol to put on my front door.
I feel much better now that I have committed myself to world peace and social justice.
I do not believe there to be a surefire-never-fail method of burying a weapon.
We got 55 inches of rain this year. Hard to stop Mother Nature.
I think perhaps the vaccuum sealers; Seal the weapon in a bag..place bag in 6" PVC..place a bag of dissicent in the bottom of PVC. Bury where the water has a chance on running off...not collecting around ttube. Seal tube with the PVC glue.
Heavy grease on weapon and in barrel..Cosmoline if you can get it. The problem arises is...these plastic bags will interact with some greases..and you won't find out till you dig it back up.
Ten years ago, I helped a old fellow dig up some buried 'treasures'. He had put medicines, and some dried foodstuffs, and other things in the tubes...they came out of the ground unrecognizable. We could not identify much of what was in the tubes...including the lumps of solid iron ore that was Model 10 Smith and Wessons when he placed them there 5 years before.
That experience forced me to re-think the whole 'burying' thing.
There occurred some sort of chemical interactions in several of those tubes...
Thankyou for this post, I have been thinking about the PVC pipe method with cosmoline. Silicone gease maybe? Something non petroleum based to avoid interaction with the plastic.
No matter, nothing is going to remain buried that long, we are going to be at it pretty quickly if the worst happens. THose weapons will be out and in use in less than 6 months.
Get real, like U guys are going to fight the FED'S ! Good Luck being DEAD ! U will be a grump as they take it all, and slap U a fine. I'll still have my Chainmail Sword and sheild , Spear and Crossbow ! OH YA !
theyll come back for your weaponry also, they dont want to just remove guns but the right to defend ourselves from tyranny. Thomas Jefferson would * slap you melkor. I will not give up the right to defend myself, you dont like that move to Russia you socialist@[:(!]
if we cant stand together and make them take notice, we can diperse and take them geurilla style till they take notice. hopefully it wont come to this. but its what we must be prepared for. unless you would rather become socialist and communist, oh yeah and fascist. if u dont know what that entails look it up. its really worse then death, basically death no independent thought, no rights, no chance to succeed, no name no face.
Keep Buying Guns and Ammo.
My discussion centered around the period of time immediately after a total gun ban took place...and strong evidence exists that the goon squads are going door to door.
Paperwork at that time MIGHT get you out of a tough spot for just long enough to get loose from the icy clutches of the Beast, and able to function awhile longer OUTSIDE the `law'...for the instant you do something like that...you have crossed a line you cannot get back over.
Naturally ..if you have declined to hand over your weapons, you have crossed that line...but I believe that they will give you one more chance to turn `em over when they appear at your door.
Stay on the right side of the law, today...we NEED you down the line, outside and functional.
Filing a false police report has serious consequences, even today.
melkor=ignore![;)]