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NJ FID and Handgun Permitting
Matchshot
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Just filled out my paperwork for a Fire Arms ID here in the great state of NJ. For time sake I checked that I wanted a Pistol Permit as well so I can buy a hand gun. Was told at the police station that it will take 2-3 Monthes to get FID. Succeeding handgun permits will only take 2 weeks after the FID is issued. You need a permit for each handgun you purchase. Very eye opening experience.
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The gene pool needs chlorine.
The nice lady at the station told me that it will take at least 1 to 2 more months for everything to come in. I cannot buy a rifle or a hndgun in this great state until I have the FID. This is very frustrating. I will follow up when I finally get it.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Local police in So. Jersey where we live are generally friendlier to gun owners than No. Jersey (read New York City) authorities. So. Jersey is still relatively rural with shotgun hunting fairly common...
It's not Wyoming or New Hampshire, but it is isn't California, yet.
It has been a month and a half wait, so far, very frustrating. I am not sure who is being kept safe by this procedure. On top of the wait, the regs preventing the ownership of certain "scary looking" guns are just plain silly. A .223 with a pistol grip is more dangerous than one without. A bayonet lug is disqualifying as is a flash suppressor. I suppose there is a concern someone might be tempted to go on a bayoneting rampage, chefs' knives may be next.
On the positive side, NJ is one of only two states where you cannot pump your own gasoline and price of that gas is cheaper than the surrounding states. Now, let me tell you about the governor...
Thats for another rant.
On a brighter note, Ruger Mini 14's and 30's are no longer on the Attorney General's banned gun list. M-1 Carbines are...guess they are still too scary for the folks who make our laws. Wonder if anyone of them has ever even fired a gun, much less know which end the bullet comes out of....
I'm still betting on it being closer to the 3 month time frame.
I would also bet that they DON'T know which end it comes out of. [;)] [:D]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
Think About It !!! Its one of the main reasons I left the great state of Ill. !!!
Seriously !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO
Niota , Tn
My dog is the best person I know...
If only more people could be as loyal and honest as my dog!!!
I love guns & Shooting!
Personally, I prefer Alaska carry.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
In Vermont, there is the (almost standard) restrictions on where you can carry, like courthouses, schools, state institutions, and any building with controlled points of public access.
In Alaska, they are more stringent in their restrictions than Vermont. (and a lot of other states)
Alaska restricts most of the same places that Vermont does, but also adds these places to the list. Especially note the last one.
1. Any place where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises, except a restaurant where the person carrying the firearm did not consume intoxicating liquor.
2. Any licensed child care facility or licensed assisted living home for the elderly or for the mentally or physically disabled, if the facility is other than a private residence.
3. Within a domestic violence or sexual assault shelter that receives funding from the state.
4. Within another person's residence, unless the person carrying the firearm has first obtained the express permission of an adult residing there to bring the firearm into the residence.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
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4. Within another person's residence, unless the person carrying the firearm has first obtained the express permission of an adult residing there to bring the firearm into the residence.
Hey kids, I've got an idea! Why don't we get our government to make the #4 above a nationwide FEDERAL LAW! And expand it to include businesses and government facalities as well as residences.
This would immediately put a stop to each and every criminal act involving a gun. Reason being that nobody in their right mind would give permission, to someone planning a crime, to bring in a gun.
Ummmmm. Wait a minute. If the criminals aren't given permission to bring in a gun for their crime, then they will just switch to another weapon such as a knife, rolling pin, etc.
OK, how's about we include knives, rolling pins, etc. along with the guns?
Don't even THINK about trying to claim credit for my idea. I'm on the phone talking directly to Sen. Diane Feinstein right now to get the ball rolling on this idea.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Followers of Christ, be armed."
Better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Now....what ya gonna buy? [;)] [:D]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Starting with a Remington 513T or similar trainer for the kids to learn with as I did, a Bushmaster DCM Competition XM-15E2S for me and, with some saving, a good .22 pistol like a Hammerli Trailside.
All dependent on budget. My wife is from a farming family and has encouraged my interests, she just moderates the spending...
I have one other comment about this process. While the getting of the ID is drawn out, once secured, the rules and conditions for getting firearms in this state are relatively easy, particularly for long guns, for both purchases from dealers and private party sales. Hand guns purchases require individual permits for each gun. They cost $2.00, you can get as many as you want and they take a week to get.
I may change my tune if Jon Corzine is elected governor in November. He is our ultra wealthy, ultra liberal wack job of a senator who never saw a gun he didn't want to ban. Pennsylvania may start to look pretty good....
There are 600,000 gunowners in this state and even more sportsmen when you take into account the fishermen and bow hunters. We can defeat this guy if apathy doesn't get in the way.
Better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man, hated and scorned. When the cause succeeds, however, the timid join him...for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." -Mark Twain
When I was 15 I walked into a gun shop with out an adult and bought a 22 semi-auto pistol 500rd. block ammo and a holster. At that time it was more important that I earned the money for it than what I had bought. You could buy guns in the mail , dynamite in the hardware store , fireworks .
As long as you keep putting DemocRATS in office , this is what you will get. They all follow the leader, and the leaders are always the crap for brains liberals.
A well armed society is the best form of homeland security.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you.
NRA write your Rep. will save a stamp
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GOA
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm
With a CCW you can purchase any kind of firearm without a waiting period.
I moved here in '90 from California; their gun laws were becoming unreal. I have a .223 Mini 14 Bullpup with a 90 rd drum magazine which is not legal to own there.
Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!
I will see to it that mine not go over 30 days, or I will be happy to contact an lawyer to address the problem.
Our biggest problem in this state is that "smart gun" technology has been mandated for all new guns once it is in commercial production. It will be the end of new gun sales in NJ...
But when you were approved, did you get the pistol permits with the ID or was it a longer wait? Also how long before you could purchase after you recieved it? Thanks alot man, wish me luck
Welcome aboard, it is great to see that there are other sufferers here in NJ. I got my first pistol permits with my FID. The permits are usable immediately and are good for 90 days with a 90 day extension.
The question on how long for the FID depends on the town you live in. Most so. Jersey towns are pretty good because this is still a relatively rural, farming area. North Jersey is infected by the politics of NY City and with it's liberal politicians.
C
C
perhaps you might consider heading a little west to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Not a good idea. The last thing the State of Pennsylvania needs is a bunch of jersean, new yorker, northeasterners immigrating to our fair state.
With all of its problems, Pennsylvania is a freaking miracle when it comes to guns. We are surrounded by some of the most hostile gun grabbing states in the nation, but our gun laws arent bad, considering the rest of the country.
Let a few from the east come in, that will all change.
Jerseans care about two things-gun control, and unfettered abortion-the last thing we need is those types polluting our electorate.
Pennsylvania will lose its freedoms because of the cancer of liberals in Philadelphia and Harrisburg just as we in rural So. Jersey are under the boot of No. Jersey and Trenton.
My plan is to move to rural central PA, buy a bunch of land and open a land fill... Kidding!
To Paul:
quote: Nj is a joke, but it is the whole state, being that trenton in down south.
For you North Jersey folks, look at a map. Trenton is, at best, central Jersey. South Jersey, the last bastion of some sense of rural values in this Godforsaken state, starts south of Camden.
I realize this argument is something like counting the angels on the head of a pin (or a politician's pinhead). At least we can still hunt down here and have the land to do so. That said, it is cheaper for me to hunt with a non-resident license in PA than it is to hunt as a resident in NJ. I cannot wait to get out of this state.
Chris
I TOO LIVE IN THE ARMPIT OF AMERICA...JERSEY!![xx(]
I CANT WAIT TO LEAVE THIS STATE!...BUT I HAVE TO WAIT FOUR MORE YEARS
UNTIL I RETIRE,THEN I'M MOVING OUT OF HERE!!! TO A STATE THAT IS A SHALL ISSUE STATE RATHER THAN MAY ISSUE. THIS STATE DOES NOT ISSUE CARRY PERMITS TO ANYONE,UNLESS YOU ARE A JUDGE OR A "BIG" POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR
AND YOU BETTER BE IN THE "RIGHT" PARTY...WHAT A JOKE!
I HAVE WORKED IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT FIELD AS A DISPATCHER FOR THE PAST 21 YEARS & STILL FEAR GOING TO CERTAIN TOWNS IN JERSEY,LIKE JERSEY CITY, NEWARK,IRVINGTON...BUT THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO,BUT SUFFER IN FEAR...
WHILE THE SCUM TUCK ANY GUN THEY WANT INTO THEIR PANTS & GO ABOUT THERE
BUSINESS- IE:CAR JACKING & ROBBERY.[:(!]
SORRY FOR THE RANT BUT ITS A SORE SUBJECT !...
I believe that the revolutionary changes we are hoping for in this country, essentially taking us back to where our founding fathers started, will come first in the most restrictive states as people finally get fed up with the boot of government on their back.
quote:While those in other more gun friendly states sit back and laugh at New Jersey (and Mass. and MD and NY) the forces for restriction and abolition are hard at work in your state capitals. The news media is complicit in this by making
Nobody is laughing, Sir. We that have eyes to see and a brain that isn't dead realize that the tide is sweeping away the ground under our feet...
Why do you think the animosity some of us feel towards those that support gun control is so evident ?
Do you believe that I LIKE being despised by most of my fellow men ?
NoSir..the reason is simple. Those that aid and abet the Beast in its singleminded drive towards disarming us are too stupid to realize that ITS COMING TO YOUR STATE.....SOON.
I do not expect any move towards 'revolutionary changes' to come from either coast..or someplace like Chicago. The people there have been beaten into a compliant mass of flesh..incapable of the drive needed to change anything.
Highball:
The Berlin wall fell. In 1989 who would have thought it. I am an optimist in that no matter how beaten down the masses are, there is always a spark of hope in the human heart that yearns to breath free.
I have, in the last months, heard more outrage about the corrupt nature of this once great state, than I have heard in years. In reading about the rise to revolution in the 13 colonies, look at how many years went by, while unrest fermented under the surface, before it came to pass with direct action at Lexington and Concord. I do not believe that armed rebellion is the answer here, but a mass change of attitude and change such as happened in eastern Europe is.
I heard a little something that gives a little glimmer of hope from a volunteer state fish and wildlife guy yesterday. He is teaching fully subscribed hunter education courses and the number of hunters in New Jersey!has actually doubled from 1% to 2%. As he said, we are almost a voting block. I realize this is small potatoes, but in a largely urban state, it is amazing.
Do I expect the corrupt fools in Trenton to change? Hardly, but $$ and votes mean something to them. With some of the most restrictive handgun policies in the country in place, the blood bath in Camden, Newark and other big cities is still taking place. The politicians answer of restricting law abiding use is, of course, not working to solve the problem.
We will probably,ultimately move from this state when my in-laws pass on. Until then, however, we will fight. It sets my teeth on edge when I hear some jerk of a politician pontificate about the "danger" of guns and how they are the root of evil and need to be banned.
I wish you the best, friend ..in that your belief of a revival in the human spirit suddenly transpires.
My answer to you is...look right here on the forum.
Look at the gun-owners supporting gun control ..RIGHT HERE...on a gun forum.
Look at the NRA ..read about their undying love of and support for the Beast and his power over free citizens owning, buying and carrying guns.
I think the human spirit you bank on has been perverted beyond recognition..that for most, a total ban.while being met with grumbling..will be obeyed by 95 % of the run-out seed of the Founders.
And that 5 % left will NEVER constitute a voting block.
Absent the willingness to go to war.the Elite fear NOTHING from us, we the people.
I stopped at a gas station, to take advantage of the cheaper gas in Jersey(I am at a loss at how the tax loving state of New Jersey pulls off cheaper gas). So I pull up to the pump, wait five minutes, no one is providing me with gas. In the peoples republic of New Jersey, the citizens of NJ are incapable of pumping their own gas, so they leave that responsibility to professional gas attendants. I drove to the next pump, which was maybe twenty feet away, and sitting next to the pump, in a lawn chair, was the gas attendant. He couldnt be bothered with walking twenty feet to the pump that I was stationed at- he let me wait five minutes, I guess figuring Id eventually move up, so he wouldnt have to walk 20 feet to pump my gas. It is ILLEGAL for citizens to pump their own gas in Jersey. Considering Jersians are incapable of pumping their own gas, I have to admit I support their gun laws.If they lack the intelligence to operate a gas pump, I sure as hell dont want them operating firearms.
I understand and respect your points. I see the difference between our points (correct me where I am wrong) boils down to our view of the masses. I see their attitudes as being ignorant, in need of education through experience and through association. You see their attitudes as perverted, irretrievably lost.
I do believe that the founders saw an armed populace as a bulwark against a authoritarian government. I hope we never truly face the guns of our own government...
Salzo:
There are lots of things to knock NJ for but not this. The no self serve gas goes back to the early part of the century when gasoline attendants had to be trained firemen. New Jersey had some of the first gas stations in the country. Oregon has the same rule. Frankly, on a wet 40 degree day, nothing like someone else pumping your gas, particularly, cheap gas...
ANYBODY that doesn't feel shame being subjected to the Nics check ..just like you were a common criminal ..is probably lost as a Citizen.
They have willingly donned the chains of servitude to the Beast.
Those in states far more restrictive are not only crawling on their bellies.they are willingly eating the excrement of the Elites.
Brutally ..that is my opinion.