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You guys are all felons now if you have a mag that holds more than 7 rounds.
Jan 14 2013
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The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
Just like all the Californians did.[:(]
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
Like the californians, they bring their laws with them. I know, it does not make sense, but they try to do things like back home.
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
So much for "we're all in this together". Let's see you pack up and leave your grandkids and everything you've spent a lifetime working for when they come for YOUR guns!
So someone who owns a Ruger 10/22 they bought in the 1960's has to sell their ten round mags and then do what?? Nobody makes anything else yet. Guess 1911's will become popular.
Until they ban those too. At some point the masses need to say no more and if it takes millions of people flooding the court rooms and jails so be it.
NY Senate Passes Gun Control Legislation
ALBANY -- New York came one step closer to enacting tougher gun laws on Monday, with the state Senate approving a set of broad changes in a late-night vote and the Assembly expected to act early Tuesday.
Cuomo unveiled his proposal to bolster the state's gun laws late Monday after weeks of behind-the-scenes negotiations with legislative leaders, with a full ban on assault weapons slated to take effect as soon as it is passed.
The Senate passed Cuomo's bill in a 43-18 vote around 11 p.m. Monday. The Assembly is set to take up the legislation when it returns to session at 10 a.m. Tuesday.
Cuomo's bill -- named the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, or NY SAFE -- would enact a number of new measures, including a ban of all magazines that hold more than seven rounds and universal background checks for all gun sales, regardless if they are private, person-to-person sales.
The bill, Cuomo said, also includes a "Webster provision" -- a life-without-parole prison sentence for anyone who murders a first responder. The provision was included as a response to a Christmas Eve shooting in the Monroe County town in which two firefighters were shot and killed while responding to a blaze.
If passed by the Assembly, New York would become the first state to pass tougher gun laws after the Dec. 14 massacre in Newtown, Conn.
"It is comprehensive. It is sound," Cuomo told reporters. "It addresses the multifaceted problem that we're dealing with. It protects, I believe, hunters and sportsmen, et cetera, and legitimate gun owners."
The bill also includes several items pushed for by Senate Republicans, who have expressed a reluctance to bolstering New York's current assault weapons ban. Among them are a new felony for carrying a firearm on school grounds, as well as provisions allowing pistol-permit holders to request that their personal information be guarded from open-records requests.
The latter provision appears to be in direct response to The Journal News' decision to publish a map of pistol-permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties, which has received significant criticism from Second Amendment advocates.
A permit holder or applicant would be able to request privacy for a number of reasons, such as the person being a police officer or if they feel their "safety may be endangered by disclosure." Licensing officials, in most cases at the county level, would be able to decide whether the exception should be granted.
Handgun permits are currently public under state law.
"We're not looking to demonize gun owners," Cuomo said. "Gun owners have done nothing wrong."
After spending more than three hours in conference behind closed doors Monday afternoon, the Senate GOP emerged and signaled a deal was imminent.
"The conference is reviewing a number of options, and it looks like there will be a vote sometime today," said Sen. Michael Nozzolio, R-Fayette, Seneca County.
When asked if there will be a vote Monday night, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, D-Manhattan, said: "I believe there will be."
"I think you take a look at what has happened over the years and in Newtown, I think the faster we do this, the better off we are," Silver said.
Cuomo's bill, which was formally proposed after 8 p.m., also makes changes to laws regarding the mentally ill. If a mental-health professional decides someone is a potential risk to others or themselves, they would be required to alert the authorities, who would have the ability to confiscate any firearms that person may own.
Assault weapons -- defined as any rifle with a "military style" feature, such as a bayonet or a telescoping stock -- that are currently owned would be grandfathered and would have to be registered with the state. Magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds and manufactured before 1994, which are currently legal, would have to be turned over to authorities or sold out of state within one year. If a magazine has a capacity between eight and 10, it would have to be retrofitted to only hold seven rounds.
Under Cuomo's plan, the state would have one year to set up an instant background check system for all ammunition purchases. Law enforcement would be alerted to large purchases of ammunition.
Cuomo and lawmakers have been in talks over the state's gun laws since the Dec. 14 massacre in Newtown, Conn. A vote on Monday would make New York the first state to pass tighter firearm restrictions since the shooting.
Some Republicans in both the Senate and Assembly warned against moving too quickly.
Sen. Thomas O'Mara, R-Big Flats, Chemung County, cautioned against a vote simply so New York and Cuomo can claim the mantle of being the first in the nation to adopt tougher gun laws.
"It's certainly very frustrating, but the governor has made this his priority issue and I think the number one concern of his is to get it done first, before anybody else does anything," O'Mara said. "When we're dealing with issues of Second Amendment concern or any constitutional concern, we should be taking a greater and more thorough look at it with the opportunity for discussion amongst all interested parties."
Senate Independent Democratic Leader Jeff Klein, D-Bronx, said he's "very confident" the Senate will vote on a package of gun laws Monday. Klein's five-member Independent Democratic Conference shares control of the Senate with Republicans.
"I think that when all is said and done, we're going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Klein told reporters. "And I think it's important, and I think this is an issue that shows we can work together -- Democrats and Republicans."
Cuomo said he would waive a mandatory three-day aging period for new bills if the Legislature puts the gun measures to a vote. The reason, he said, was in part to give the bill the best chance of passing and part to prevent a potential bump in sales for assault rifles in the period before lawmakers act.
About three dozen union members who work at a Remington Arms manufacturing plant in Herkimer County traveled to the Capitol on Monday, presenting lawmakers with a letter expressing concern that a full assault-weapons ban could put them out of work.
The Remington plant manufactures several types of rifles, including the Bushmaster .223-caliber model used in Newtown and Webster.
"We are asking you to not hinder the growth of our employer, the opportunity of growth in the Mohawk Valley with large and small businesses, and most importantly the jobs that support the survival of our membership and their families," the union, United Mine Workers of America Local 717, wrote.
Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee, D-Suffern, Rockland County, said a quick vote was prudent, saying she was concerned that a delay could lead to less stringent regulations.
"I'm concerned that the anti-gun-safety lobbyists would have influence in a way where we would lose the opportunity to move forward with gun safety," she said.
In his State of the State address last Wednesday, Cuomo called for the "toughest assault weapons ban in the nation."
"No one hunts with an assault rifle," Cuomo said at the time. "No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer. End the madness."
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
So much for "we're all in this together". Let's see you pack up and leave your grandkids and everything you've spent a lifetime working for when they come for YOUR guns!
No kidding. That mentality is the reason we're screwed. Everybodys fine with whatever happens as long as its happening to their neighbor and not them. This couldve just as easily happened here in IL. This is a big deal.
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
Like the californians, they bring their laws with them. I know, it does not make sense, but they try to do things like back home.
Yep,the ones that moved here want to turn this into what the hell they moved from,,[V][:(!][:(]
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
So much for "we're all in this together". Let's see you pack up and leave your grandkids and everything you've spent a lifetime working for when they come for YOUR guns!
Its obvious that any area that has put morons in power that will legislate the size of beverages that are allowed....its time to let go and move on to try and save whatever sanity you have left. I would imagine once you made the effort to get to an area that embraced your same philosophies you would wish you had left sooner.
I cant believe people arent talking about this. Everybody in NY just got screwed. Does anyone realize how draconian this bill is? I guess not. A NY resident that owns 3 or more firearms just became a felon. Does anyone have some 7 round mags to sell to them because thats all theyre going to be allowed to have. Tyranny at its finest. Passed in the late night hours before anyone had a chance to know about it. 43-18. They couldnt wait to pass this.
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Large ammunition purchases will be reported to the police?
Bad news for some good folks. The least of their problems is the fact that crime won't actually drop.
Don't know what you guys can do in New York,[B)] We all are going to feel the pain soon enough-
Daammmmnnnn it --it is happening,,I am sick of this crap,,[|)][|)][|)][xx(][xx(][:(!][:(!][V][V][:(][:(][:(][:(!][xx(][|)][:(][xx(][V][:(!]
Gets what you votes for.
You mean we get stuck with who the teat-sucking Obamanites voted for!
quote:The bill also includes several items pushed for by Senate Republicans, who have expressed a reluctance to bolstering New York's current assault weapons ban. Among them are a new felony for carrying a firearm on school grounds, as well as provisions allowing pistol-permit holders to request that their personal information be guarded from open-records requests.
With this kind of attack and unrelenting demonization of gunowners, there may not be anymore gun owners in another generation. Too much cost, effort, stigma involved. Wont be worth it anymore to them.
Again, 50% of the country is getting left behind.
I cant believe people aren't talking about this. Everybody in NY just got screwed. Does anyone realize how draconian this bill is? I guess not. A NY resident that owns 3 or more firearms just became a felon. Does anyone have some 7 round mags to sell to them because that's all they're going to be allowed to have. Tyranny at its finest. Passed in the late night hours before anyone had a chance to know about it. 43-18. They couldn't wait to pass this.
They don't care to know...
Sure glad the republicans stood firm for American citizens:
quote:The bill also includes several items pushed for by Senate Republicans, who have expressed a reluctance to bolstering New York's current assault weapons ban. Among them are a new felony for carrying a firearm on school grounds, as well as provisions allowing pistol-permit holders to request that their personal information be guarded from open-records requests.
You and I both know that Dems / Reps are just two wings of the same damn bird.
Background checks to purchase ammunition?
Large ammunition purchases will be reported to the police?
Bad news for some good folks. The least of their problems is
the fact that crime won't actually drop.
Again... The people don't care to know even the facts...
ALBANY - Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and lawmakers agreed on Monday to a broad package of changes to gun laws that would expand the state's ban on assault weapons and would include new measures to keep guns away from the mentally ill.
The state Senate, controlled by a coalition of Republicans and a handful of Democrats, approved the legislative package around 11 p.m. by a vote of 43 to 18. The Assembly, controlled by Democrats, has been strongly supportive of gun control. It planned to vote on the measure on Tuesday.
Approval of the legislation would make New York the first state to act in response to the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., last month.
Mr. Cuomo had pressed lawmakers to act quickly in response to Newtown, saying, "the people of this state are crying out for help." And the Legislature acted with unusual haste: Monday was the first full day of this year's legislative session."We don't need another tragedy to point out the problems in the system," Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, said at a news conference just before 9 p.m. "Enough people have lost their lives," he added. "Let's act."
The expanded ban on assault weapons would broaden the definition of such weapons, banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military-style feature, as well as semiautomatic shotguns with one military-style feature. New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.
"The message out there is so clear after Newtown," said the Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, a Democrat from Manhattan. "To basically eradicate assault weapons from our streets in New York as quickly as possible is something the people of this state want."
In an acknowledgment that many people have suggested that part of the solution to gun violence is a better government response to mental illness, the legislation includes not only new restrictions on gun ownership, but also efforts to limit access to guns by the mentally ill.
The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that a patient is likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by the patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report dangerous patients if they acted "in good faith."
"People who have mental health issues should not have guns," Mr. Cuomo said. "They could hurt themselves, they could hurt other people."
But such a requirement "represents a major change in the presumption of confidentiality that has been inherent in mental health treatment," said Dr. Paul S. Appelbaum, the director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, who said the Legislature should hold hearings on possible consequences of the proposal.
"The prospect of being reported to the local authorities, even if they do not have weapons, may be enough to discourage patients with suicidal or homicidal thoughts from seeking treatment or from being honest about their impulses," he said.
The legislation would also expand Kendra's Law, which empowers judges to order mentally ill patients to receive outpatient treatment.
And it would require gun owners to store their weapons safely if they live with someone barred from possessing a firearm.
The legislative package which Mr. Cuomo said he believed would be "the most comprehensive package in the nation," would ban any gun magazine that can hold over 7 rounds of ammunition - the current limit is 10 rounds - and require background checks of ammunition buyers and automated alerts to law enforcement of high-volume purchases.
The legislation would also increase penalties for gun crimes, require background checks for most private gun sales and create a statewide database of gun licenses.
Senator Jeffrey D. Klein of the Bronx, the leader of an independent faction of Democrats who have allied with the Republicans to control the Senate, said the measure met the goals of many lawmakers.
"Republicans, it's very clear, wanted harsher criminal penalties for illegal guns, which is something I agree with," Mr. Klein added, "but on the other hand we're also going to ban assault weapons and limit the number of rounds in a magazine. So I think putting those two things together makes it a better bill."
Among the other elements of the proposed legislation were a so-called Webster provision, named for the shooting deaths of two firefighters in Webster, near Rochester, just before Christmas, that would mandate a life sentence without parole for anyone who murders a first responder.
The package would allow judges to require weapons surrender by anyone who is the subject of an order of protection from a court.
And in response to a controversy that erupted after The Journal News, a daily newspaper, published the names and addresses of handgun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland Counties, the legislation would prohibit disclosure of the names on a new statewide gun database, and would allow individuals to exempt their own names and addresses from being disclosed by counties that have such databases.
The proposed package of gun laws posed the first big test of a new power dynamic in Albany. The Assembly remains controlled by Democrats, as it has been for decades, and is strongly supportive of gun control.
The coalition now leading the Senate, which had been controlled by Republicans generally opposed to new gun control measures, also includes Democrats supportive of gun control.
Senate Republicans indicated on Monday that they would not seek to block a vote. The deputy Republican leader in the Senate, Thomas W. Libous of Binghamton, described a new gun control bill as "inevitable." In an interview on WGDJ-AM, Mr. Libous called the package a "split decision."
"I'm not going to sugarcoat it," he said, adding, "There are a lot of things here that true Second Amendment believers are going to have some issues with."
Mr. Libous later told reporters he did not know how he would vote on the gun package.
"I have had thousands of e-mails and calls," he said. "Certainly the emotion of the issue, as to what happened in Connecticut or Columbine or wherever, is something that touches all of us as individuals, but a lot of my constituents feel very strongly about the Second Amendment, and I certainly have to respect their wishes."
The Legislature was scheduled to be in session this week only on Monday and Tuesday. Mr. Cuomo, eager for a vote on the gun package, said he had waived the three-day waiting period for new legislation that the State Constitution requires, something he has done in the past to allow for speedy votes on controversial legislative agreements.
The minority leader in the Assembly, Brian M. Kolb, a Republican from Canandaigua, objected to the move to expedite the process, saying, "I don't think we should be rushing things just for the sake of headlines."
But Mr. Cuomo said, "If there is an issue that fits the definition of necessity, I believe it's gun violence."
Thats assuming it passes the house.
This is just treason on anyone who voted for this,,plain and simple,,,its not about crime, its disarming,,for the love of God,,,is ther any politicians to stop this,,,,,,,it will be a fast cancer my friends,,,,The country as we know it has justed chunked up more filth in the name of the children--have mercy on the good people,,others can go to hell-[V]
quote:"It is comprehensive. It is sound," Cuomo told reporters. "It addresses the multifaceted problem that we're dealing with.
It protects, I believe, hunters and sportsmen, et cetera, and legitimate gun owners."BUT... But, We're 'protected'...
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It may become the first totally "leftist" state in the union.
Woody is gonna have to find a new place to hunt them thar'turkeys...
IMO... Now, New York will soon be occupied by non-gun owners totally.
It may become the first totally "leftist" state in the union.
Woody is gonna have to find a new place to hunt them thar'turkeys...
YOU can bet crime will be on the rise,,,,oh wait,,no it will stop dead in its tracks,,silly me