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quote:Originally posted by woodhog
If it passes tomorrow. there will be injunctions by Thursday. This will go to Supremes, and I don't mean Diana Ross.
I'm guessing the injunctions are already being written.
New York off of my list to ever go there or even consider it. As Hank Williams Jr's. song says, send me to he-ll or NY City it would be about the same to me.
The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that a patient is likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by the patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report dangerous patients if they acted "in good faith."
"People who have mental health issues should not have guns," Mr. Cuomo said. "They could hurt themselves, they could hurt other people."
But such a requirement "represents a major change in the presumption of confidentiality that has been inherent in mental health treatment," said Dr. Paul S. Appelbaum, the director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, who said the Legislature should hold hearings on possible consequences of the proposal.
"The prospect of being reported to the local authorities, even if they do not have weapons, may be enough to discourage patients with suicidal or homicidal thoughts from seeking treatment or from being honest about their impulses," he said.
The legislation would also expand Kendra's Law, which empowers judges to order mentally ill patients to receive outpatient treatment.
No due process before one's firearms are seized.
"Mental healthcare professional" -- how is that even being defined?
There are plenty of "mental healthcare professionals" who consider anyone who owns a firearm -- or wants to own one -- to be mentally ill.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised by this, after all, Cuomo and his gang are such control freaks they want to dictate even the size of a soft drink a person can purchase. Is it any surprise -- with that level psychosis -- that they wouldn't be terrified of their citizens owning firearms?
Its a sad day for my shop.. 91 years in business .. This may be the end of us.. Everyone who has come into the store for all these years I have encouraged to join the NRA or make every phone call possible to uphold our 2nd amendment rights.. Unfortuantely there is not enough of us to defeat NYC and the surrounding area.. Very depressed over this..[:(!]
Mr. Cuomos' dad Mario [when he was the NYS Governor], vetoed any death penalty laws that came across his desk. He countered by saying anyone convicted of the murder of a lawman or prison guard would get life without parole. Then he either pardoned or commuted [so long ago can't remember which] a man convicted of the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Let's hope junior sticks to the law...
Cuomo is going to get eye strain from staring down the road to the White House. He and his ilk don't realize their is a different country outside New York and California and a few other places.
What sent a chill up my back is the New York Legislature waved a three day review of the legislation by the public. In the New York State Assembly a proposed bill cannot go to the floor without the approval of the head guy, Sheldon Silver a screaming Lib from NYC.
For all intents and purposes all legislation in New York State is controlled by three men. A filthy corrupt system...
I guess I will be looking to Vermont, eleven miles east. My wife teaches over there, so it isn't much of a big deal.
So, between sellers boycotting CA bidders and now NY in outer space as far as guns are concerned, that's about 25% of the population unable to buy on GunBroker.
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Too old to live...too young to die...
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around.
Not for long. They are becoming subjects to their all-powerful leaders.
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
More like the majority of NY CITY residents but they're the state majority as well. Upstaters have no voting power against them. [:(!]
I was born and raised in NYC. {dob 1956} I saw and lived thru the "laws" and BS of 1968 GCA.
I jumped thru the many hoops to just to shoot in rifle and pistol competitions.
I own land {read that as paying big taxes} and used to hunt in the beautiful upstate area near Hancock.
Finally about 18 years ago, I had get get away from the ratrace- the rats were just getting faster.
So I moved to the free state of Tenn. Love it.
I didn't bring my "ideas" of the north with me. NYC is NOT NY State, but upstate has died from the blood poisoning gangrene from the city below it.
If you live in a free state, don't bash New Yorkers, the ones on this forum, and many others, Have just succumbed to a fate that is YOURS next. You must act now to stop it, or you {us} will be the last generation of gun owners in America.
quote:Originally posted by babun
I was born and raised in NYC. {dob 1956} I saw and lived thru the "laws" and BS of 1968 GCA.
I jumped thru the many hoops to just to shoot in rifle and pistol competitions.
I own land {read that as paying big taxes} and used to hunt in the beautiful upstate area near Hancock.
Finally about 18 years ago, I had get get away from the ratrace- the rats were just getting faster.
So I moved to the free state of Tenn. Love it.
I didn't bring my "ideas" of the north with me. NYC is NOT NY State, but upstate has died from the blood poisoning gangrene from the city below it.
If you live in a free state, don't bash New Yorkers, the ones on this forum, and many others, Have just succumbed to a fate that is YOURS next. You must act now to stop it, or you {us} will be the last generation of gun owners in America.
I did the same thing 8 years ago and wish I had done it 25 years ago.
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
More like the majority of NY CITY residents but they're the state majority as well. Upstaters have no voting power against them. [:(!]
That what's fearful for us all. That's the scary part. Too many Sheeple. I hope more of us can stand up against what may come. NY doesn't surprise me though.[V][V][xx(][xx(]
It is sad, Up-state NY is excellent hunting country. I was stationed there in the early 80's. Lots of deer, bear, grouse, rabbits, squirrel and fishing was great also. That would problaby be next for the NYer's.
I guess its ok to kill seven school kids but ten is way to many, is that it gov? What a crock of poop.
I have hated this state for a long time, nyc is the rotten apple that is spoiling an otherwise nice state in which to live (upstate).
As a long time law abiding citizen now soon to become a felon, I am sick to my core. I now have a chain saw at the side of my bed for protection, no wait! are they still legal? maybe the short bars will be legal.
I removed the flag from the front of my house, so many have given everything to keep us free, now was all that in vane? I am not sure which way to go at the present
quote:Originally posted by SLING BLADE
I guess its ok to kill seven school kids but ten is way to many, is that it gov? What a crock of poop.
I have hated this state for a long time, nyc is the rotten apple that is spoiling an otherwise nice state in which to live (upstate).
As a long time law abiding citizen now soon to become a felon, I am sick to my core. I now have a chain saw at the side of my bed for protection, no wait! are they still legal? maybe the short bars will be legal.
I removed the flag from the front of my house, so many have given everything to keep us free, now was all that in vane? I am not sure which way to go at the present
While Up-state NY is very beautiful country. NY city is a filthy, nasty place. I've been there once, and that was too much. If you look up, your fine. But look down at the street level, filthy, nasty, cramped!!! And the people of NY, No thanks!!! Not good people in general, my one visit.
quote:Originally posted by legear
Lawsuits will follow, no way all of the bill will stand
maybe, maybe not; but this specific situation isnt really the point. this is just a test. personally, i think they went to far and the upcoming lawsuits and what not will strike this down.
the bottom line is that their goal of outright banning guns is coming along nicely. it took about 80 years for england to do it. we're at about 80, but we have a radically different form of government so its going to take a little longer. im thinking a hundred years from the passage of the NFA(the first big blow to the second amendment).
they dont have far to go and the political mindset of the majority of the country is leaning towards them getting it done. the people want something done about evil black rifles and magazines the hold 30 rounds. aw's will be next to fall. then or possibly concurrent with it will be high caps. from there, who knows but there is no doubt in my mind that if our current form of government still exists in another 20 years(and thats a big if), the personal ownership of firearms will be reduced to nearly meaningless(england) or totally and completely banned(jews germany 1930's etc).
I'd think there's going to be an awful lot of Legal action if this craziness passes the Assembly today.
It's a shame, NY is such a beautiful state once you get away from the City, with so much good hunting available. You could fit all of the National Parks combined inside of our Adirondack Park. An unspoiled wilderness area. The Catskills have terrific Deer, Turkey and Bear hunting as well.
Did they even think about what they were legislating? Are bolt action 22's now illegal because they hold 10 in the mag?
It's crazy, I learned to shoot using a 22 rifle as a kid, and now it's going to be classified as an "assault weapon"?
quote:Originally posted by Gary L
After the house votes on it today I sure hope someone here posts a list showing how each and every elected official voted.
We need this list so we know how to vote in the upcoming elections to oust them.
personally, at this point in my life, im voting out all incumbents. its really time for a clean sweep. i wish we could vote on more than a third of our representatives at a time...
This is one of the reasons I moved out here from PA. PA is next in line to pull something like this, when there you can smell the stink in the air with all the libs moving in. PA is controlled by, Scranton, Harrisburg, Allentown and Pittsburgh and are all full of libs. May not happen this term but it's comming, as the libs move in from NY, NJ and MD PA is changing. Being in MT is so refreshing, so nice to be free again.
Montanajoe, trustme I don't want to change a thing about this place, well except maybe the wind [:D] All the snow from my backyard is on my back deck now after that wind last night!
I live in NY and this BS. But I dont know if this is the right wording but some people are over reacting only as far as what this does and mean. No 3 guns doesnt mean you are felon, no 10/22 will not be banned, and no lever action doesnt count.
3/4 of the legislation contains stiffer penalties on crimes comitted as well as dealing with the mentally ill. The other true point I have heard is the mag restriction to 7. Now whether old ones are grand fathered in that is yet to be seem
Now these are rumors and have not see any truth yet
- You may have to register your AW every five yeard and have one year to initially do so.
- you can have old 10 rd mags, but can only load with 7, having more than 7 is a misdemeanor, having more than that is new or having 20-30rd is felony as it always has been
-The brand bushmaster might be banned
-lastly NY already has an AW ban the loop hole is you take the bayo lug off and put a muzzle brake on instead of flash hider. WHAT they might do is throw in legislation that anything with a Pistol grip can not be owned. So any rifle with a detached mag, pistol grip, is out the window.
Again I am terribly upset at this, BUT this hasnt passed the house assembly yet, and we do not know what exactly it says. Also once the bill is finalized and signed by all how long is it actually going to take to put into practice. Lastly I wouldnt be surprised if there are some law suits over this.
But what I can say is please help your NY brethern purchase as much as possible in the next few days.
Unless Im reading incorrectly...which Ive been accused of lately..[:D]..it is NOT LAW yet?
This is exactly how things get twisted & missconceptions get started.
Maybe its one step closer to being Law, but its NOT Law yet?!
WTH is wrong with loading up and heading to the Capital with protestors, hand wringing and bitchin' on a forum gets NOTHING accomplished.
ANYTHING instead of setting back accepting it!
FIGHT IT every way you can, hell, if they dont hear anything from gun owners they just plow ahead with their anti Constitutional BS...make a stink, a BIG STINK!...who cares if you miss a day or two of work, the Founding Fathers put their life on the line and EVERYTHING they owned to become the terrorist of the day...[;)]
quote:Originally posted by COLT
Unless Im reading incorrectly...which Ive been accused of lately..[:D]..it is NOT LAW yet?
This is exactly how things get twisted & missconceptions get started.
Maybe its one step closer to being Law, but its NOT Law yet?!
WTH is wrong with loading up and heading to the Capital with protestors, hand wringing and bitchin' on a forum gets NOTHING accomplished.
ANYTHING instead of setting back accepting it!
FIGHT IT every way you can, hell, if they dont hear anything from gun owners they just plow ahead with their anti Constitutional BS...make a stink, a BIG STINK!...who cares if you miss a day or two of work, the Founding Fathers put their life on the line and EVERYTHING they owned to become the terrorist of the day...[;)]
thats what I am saying. Everything included in the bill is speculation. The only firm thing is the mag count and mental ill people. I think the media is spinning what the GOV actually wanted to whats really happening. Our worst fears may come true but I as bad as some of this is or might be, I dont think its going to be as bad as what some are thinking on here.
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If it passes tomorrow. there will be injunctions by Thursday. This will go to Supremes, and I don't mean Diana Ross.
I'm guessing the injunctions are already being written.
Confiscation? Registration? Background checks for ammo? Doctor decides you might be looney and your guns are confiscated?
Is this a test bed for biden and bammy?
These * are going to start a civil war.
EVERY DAMN ONE OF MY PISTOLS HAVE A PISTOL GRIP.
Oh, my one revolver is a 9 shot.
The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that a patient is likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by the patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report dangerous patients if they acted "in good faith."
"People who have mental health issues should not have guns," Mr. Cuomo said. "They could hurt themselves, they could hurt other people."
But such a requirement "represents a major change in the presumption of confidentiality that has been inherent in mental health treatment," said Dr. Paul S. Appelbaum, the director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, who said the Legislature should hold hearings on possible consequences of the proposal.
"The prospect of being reported to the local authorities, even if they do not have weapons, may be enough to discourage patients with suicidal or homicidal thoughts from seeking treatment or from being honest about their impulses," he said.
The legislation would also expand Kendra's Law, which empowers judges to order mentally ill patients to receive outpatient treatment.
No due process before one's firearms are seized.
"Mental healthcare professional" -- how is that even being defined?
There are plenty of "mental healthcare professionals" who consider anyone who owns a firearm -- or wants to own one -- to be mentally ill.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised by this, after all, Cuomo and his gang are such control freaks they want to dictate even the size of a soft drink a person can purchase. Is it any surprise -- with that level psychosis -- that they wouldn't be terrified of their citizens owning firearms?
http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/196387/37/NY-Senate-Passes-Gun-Control-Legislation
NY Senate Passes Gun Control Legislation
"No one hunts with an assault rifle," Cuomo said at the time. "No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer. End the madness."
Well, I guess it will take just one bullet and a good sniper--I mean hunting rifle to do a lot toward ending this madness.
What sent a chill up my back is the New York Legislature waved a three day review of the legislation by the public. In the New York State Assembly a proposed bill cannot go to the floor without the approval of the head guy, Sheldon Silver a screaming Lib from NYC.
For all intents and purposes all legislation in New York State is controlled by three men. A filthy corrupt system...
I guess I will be looking to Vermont, eleven miles east. My wife teaches over there, so it isn't much of a big deal.
Too old to live...too young to die...
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around.
Not for long. They are becoming subjects to their all-powerful leaders.
Whats wrong with that statement?
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
More like the majority of NY CITY residents but they're the state majority as well. Upstaters have no voting power against them. [:(!]
I jumped thru the many hoops to just to shoot in rifle and pistol competitions.
I own land {read that as paying big taxes} and used to hunt in the beautiful upstate area near Hancock.
Finally about 18 years ago, I had get get away from the ratrace- the rats were just getting faster.
So I moved to the free state of Tenn. Love it.
I didn't bring my "ideas" of the north with me. NYC is NOT NY State, but upstate has died from the blood poisoning gangrene from the city below it.
If you live in a free state, don't bash New Yorkers, the ones on this forum, and many others, Have just succumbed to a fate that is YOURS next. You must act now to stop it, or you {us} will be the last generation of gun owners in America.
I was born and raised in NYC. {dob 1956} I saw and lived thru the "laws" and BS of 1968 GCA.
I jumped thru the many hoops to just to shoot in rifle and pistol competitions.
I own land {read that as paying big taxes} and used to hunt in the beautiful upstate area near Hancock.
Finally about 18 years ago, I had get get away from the ratrace- the rats were just getting faster.
So I moved to the free state of Tenn. Love it.
I didn't bring my "ideas" of the north with me. NYC is NOT NY State, but upstate has died from the blood poisoning gangrene from the city below it.
If you live in a free state, don't bash New Yorkers, the ones on this forum, and many others, Have just succumbed to a fate that is YOURS next. You must act now to stop it, or you {us} will be the last generation of gun owners in America.
I did the same thing 8 years ago and wish I had done it 25 years ago.
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
More like the majority of NY CITY residents but they're the state majority as well. Upstaters have no voting power against them. [:(!]
That what's fearful for us all. That's the scary part. Too many Sheeple. I hope more of us can stand up against what may come. NY doesn't surprise me though.[V][V][xx(][xx(]
It is sad, Up-state NY is excellent hunting country. I was stationed there in the early 80's. Lots of deer, bear, grouse, rabbits, squirrel and fishing was great also. That would problaby be next for the NYer's.
I have hated this state for a long time, nyc is the rotten apple that is spoiling an otherwise nice state in which to live (upstate).
As a long time law abiding citizen now soon to become a felon, I am sick to my core. I now have a chain saw at the side of my bed for protection, no wait! are they still legal? maybe the short bars will be legal.
I removed the flag from the front of my house, so many have given everything to keep us free, now was all that in vane? I am not sure which way to go at the present
I guess its ok to kill seven school kids but ten is way to many, is that it gov? What a crock of poop.
I have hated this state for a long time, nyc is the rotten apple that is spoiling an otherwise nice state in which to live (upstate).
As a long time law abiding citizen now soon to become a felon, I am sick to my core. I now have a chain saw at the side of my bed for protection, no wait! are they still legal? maybe the short bars will be legal.
I removed the flag from the front of my house, so many have given everything to keep us free, now was all that in vane? I am not sure which way to go at the present
While Up-state NY is very beautiful country. NY city is a filthy, nasty place. I've been there once, and that was too much. If you look up, your fine. But look down at the street level, filthy, nasty, cramped!!! And the people of NY, No thanks!!! Not good people in general, my one visit.
I knew when he got in for a 2nd term would be bad. I just failed to realize how fast.
Lawsuits will follow, no way all of the bill will stand
maybe, maybe not; but this specific situation isnt really the point. this is just a test. personally, i think they went to far and the upcoming lawsuits and what not will strike this down.
the bottom line is that their goal of outright banning guns is coming along nicely. it took about 80 years for england to do it. we're at about 80, but we have a radically different form of government so its going to take a little longer. im thinking a hundred years from the passage of the NFA(the first big blow to the second amendment).
they dont have far to go and the political mindset of the majority of the country is leaning towards them getting it done. the people want something done about evil black rifles and magazines the hold 30 rounds. aw's will be next to fall. then or possibly concurrent with it will be high caps. from there, who knows but there is no doubt in my mind that if our current form of government still exists in another 20 years(and thats a big if), the personal ownership of firearms will be reduced to nearly meaningless(england) or totally and completely banned(jews germany 1930's etc).
It's a shame, NY is such a beautiful state once you get away from the City, with so much good hunting available. You could fit all of the National Parks combined inside of our Adirondack Park. An unspoiled wilderness area. The Catskills have terrific Deer, Turkey and Bear hunting as well.
Did they even think about what they were legislating? Are bolt action 22's now illegal because they hold 10 in the mag?
It's crazy, I learned to shoot using a 22 rifle as a kid, and now it's going to be classified as an "assault weapon"?
What a lot of stupidity this is!
We need this list so we know how to vote in the upcoming elections to oust them.
Are lever action rifles exempt from this?
They'll have to be plugged, same as shotguns [:(!]
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
After the house votes on it today I sure hope someone here posts a list showing how each and every elected official voted.
We need this list so we know how to vote in the upcoming elections to oust them.
personally, at this point in my life, im voting out all incumbents. its really time for a clean sweep. i wish we could vote on more than a third of our representatives at a time...
Montanajoe, trustme I don't want to change a thing about this place, well except maybe the wind [:D] All the snow from my backyard is on my back deck now after that wind last night!
3/4 of the legislation contains stiffer penalties on crimes comitted as well as dealing with the mentally ill. The other true point I have heard is the mag restriction to 7. Now whether old ones are grand fathered in that is yet to be seem
Now these are rumors and have not see any truth yet
- You may have to register your AW every five yeard and have one year to initially do so.
- you can have old 10 rd mags, but can only load with 7, having more than 7 is a misdemeanor, having more than that is new or having 20-30rd is felony as it always has been
-The brand bushmaster might be banned
-lastly NY already has an AW ban the loop hole is you take the bayo lug off and put a muzzle brake on instead of flash hider. WHAT they might do is throw in legislation that anything with a Pistol grip can not be owned. So any rifle with a detached mag, pistol grip, is out the window.
Again I am terribly upset at this, BUT this hasnt passed the house assembly yet, and we do not know what exactly it says. Also once the bill is finalized and signed by all how long is it actually going to take to put into practice. Lastly I wouldnt be surprised if there are some law suits over this.
But what I can say is please help your NY brethern purchase as much as possible in the next few days.
This is exactly how things get twisted & missconceptions get started.
Maybe its one step closer to being Law, but its NOT Law yet?!
WTH is wrong with loading up and heading to the Capital with protestors, hand wringing and bitchin' on a forum gets NOTHING accomplished.
ANYTHING instead of setting back accepting it!
FIGHT IT every way you can, hell, if they dont hear anything from gun owners they just plow ahead with their anti Constitutional BS...make a stink, a BIG STINK!...who cares if you miss a day or two of work, the Founding Fathers put their life on the line and EVERYTHING they owned to become the terrorist of the day...[;)]
Unless Im reading incorrectly...which Ive been accused of lately..[:D]..it is NOT LAW yet?
This is exactly how things get twisted & missconceptions get started.
Maybe its one step closer to being Law, but its NOT Law yet?!
WTH is wrong with loading up and heading to the Capital with protestors, hand wringing and bitchin' on a forum gets NOTHING accomplished.
ANYTHING instead of setting back accepting it!
FIGHT IT every way you can, hell, if they dont hear anything from gun owners they just plow ahead with their anti Constitutional BS...make a stink, a BIG STINK!...who cares if you miss a day or two of work, the Founding Fathers put their life on the line and EVERYTHING they owned to become the terrorist of the day...[;)]
thats what I am saying. Everything included in the bill is speculation. The only firm thing is the mag count and mental ill people. I think the media is spinning what the GOV actually wanted to whats really happening. Our worst fears may come true but I as bad as some of this is or might be, I dont think its going to be as bad as what some are thinking on here.