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brecht
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I know I'm a newbie. Butreading through some ofthese posts I feel like being back in kindergarden with a bunch of boys crying because their toys had been taken away. So people Stop whining and stert costuctive critisim. Complaining about "Socialists, Kalifornistan and Taxachusetts" does not bring us an inch further. Lets start proofing we are responsible citizens and not a bunch of gun nuts and then things will change>
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I didn't think so..... put on your dunce cap.
I've put my own Governor in a position of speechlessness. Not that long ago I wrote an editorial in the paper illustrating my thoughts concerning the CCW bills on the floor. I wasn't the only one. For some reason, he responded to everyone else's.... except mine. I put this in perspective for the people one more time, and still, no response.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
in a world ful of compromise some don't
Just what we need, another one of these types. I, too, am waiting for some sort of wisdom I have apparently overlooked. The afterthought is not enough. Since you apparently have a certain angle here (lack of?) I won't bother making any suggestions. I would just be repeating myself if I did.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Well boys since you want some word of wisdom here it is:
Until recently anything looking like an assault rifle was banned from the German gun market. This is now changed. Thanks to a group called "Forum Waffenrecht", which is a support group that was able to convince the german government that the legal owners of guns are not a bunch of freaks. The jointly worked together with law enforcment (to get statistics) and the government in order to revise the laws goeverning gun possesion in germany. Part of their succsess was by finding compromises and not vetoing everything there is.
I think that would work here too.
in a world full of compromise some don't
I hope you agree on that with me.
Limitation of the number of rounds in your magazine is the wrong kind of regulation since most firefights end usually after the 3rd round fired. That is a regulation which is totally useless.
Id say make it harde to buy the gun. (bachground check, why not an obligatory course like for the concealed carrying license before you are able to buy the first gun) but whenever you past the requirements. less restrictions on what you can buy.
in a world full of compromise some don't
This is another reason why I am not in favor of governmental (at any level) licensing for hanguns, too. A list of gun owners are created, and a backdoor registration scheme can develop there. I may sound like a person that has stuff to hide, and that is false. I have rights that I want to see exercised, just due to the principle of the thing.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Robert J. Ehrenfried
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Are you a "seminar poster?" This is one who claims to be for the Second Amendment and then urges other pro-self defense Second Amendment people to compromise and back away from the notion that the right to life is an absolute? Sure sounds like it from your posts. Second, I have been on this forum for some time. I have found the members to be the most educated, dedicated, and hardworking bunch I have ever encountered when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms. Whenever I need help with an issue, question, research, and advice, I come here. These folks know their stuff and they are on the front lines.
As to not everyone should be running around with a gun...well one of the students in my government class said what you said word for word. He got the line from Comrade Michael Moore's fiction called Bowling For Columbine. He was unaware that state and federal regulations cover who can and cannot own a firearm already.
Finally, one cannot compromise a God given Constitutional right. It either is a right or it is a privilege. And, in my experience, compromise on gun rights has been A ONE WAY STREET. Those who support the right to keep and bear arms compromise and give up some of their freedom/rights. The far left, who wants to disarm America, never gives up or loses anything in these so called compromises.
You might want to dialogue with people on here a bit and see what their views are. I have learned a lot from them...
As an aside, I was reading last night about the British who banned Scottish weapons, swords, daggers, etc., because they looked "militaristic." Heard that one before?
I think you are a little out of line here. I have not yet found the right to keep and bear arms int the bible yet.
in a world full of compromise some don't
"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
- Jesus Christ in Luke 22:36
in a world full of compromise some don't
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
The act of killing, in itself, is NOT evil. God judges the heart. He knows whether or not you did so for your own self-gratification, or whatever other sinful means was the motivation, and he also knows whether or not you felt as though you had no other alternative. For this reason, if a man should die by my hands, it will be in self defense or preservation of my family, friends or country. For that, I will feel no sympathy, nor pleasure toward the man I should slay, because I would know God knew my heart.
Don't believe me about killing in itself isn't evil? Then I invite anyone to read from the Bible the following:
Phinehas slaying Zimri and Cozbi to stay the plague: Numbers 25:6-13
Phinehas revisited: Psalm 106:29-31
Ehud: Judges 3:1-30
Gideon against Succoth and Penuel: Judges 6:1-10;8:1-21
The retaking of the Holy land: Joshua (all of it)
David and Goliath: I Samuel 17:1-53
God's laws prescribe all sorts of crimes and punishments in the first 5 books of the Old Testament. Where it is generally forbidden (as I know) to raise his hand against man, sometimes it is commanded that man punish man for a grievous sin against God. Jesus Christ's first coming does not absolve this, evidenced in Matthew 5:17, reading: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (the Law)." Again, is evidenced in Hebrews 13:8, reading: "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and to day, and forever."
Will I "just leave God out of it"? Absolutely not. His absence is the primary reason for why this part of the board was made in the first place. These people, however, have a certain fate awaiting them, as promised in Leviticus 26:14-39. For that reason, I will not join them.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Don't forget my signature, too.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.
Genesis 14
14: And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he ARMED HIS TRAINED SERVANTS, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
15: And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them (killed them, for those with liberal tendencies), and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.
16: And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.
Thus I have listed the Biblical reasons and foundation for the 2nd Amendment within this post.
The godless are weak, and the weak strive only to become weaker.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
quote:Originally posted by gunphreak
I believe in being thorough, though. Justification for the assembly of the militia comes from none other than the first recorded militia in history, in Genesis 14, when Abram (later called Abraham) assembled the first militia to rescue his brother, Lot.
Genesis 14
14: And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he ARMED HIS TRAINED SERVANTS, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
15: And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them (killed them, for those with liberal tendencies), and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.
16: And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.
Thus I have listed the Biblical reasons and foundation for the 2nd Amendment within this post.
The godless are weak, and the weak strive only to become weaker.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Psalm 149
6: Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;
7: To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
8: To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
9: To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord.
Yes, this appears in the Bible, too. And that being so, it sounds to me like the Bible is not a manual of pacifism, but many things, including a book of warfare. Just so that liberally inclined idiots reading this understand me, the Bible is NOT a book of warmongering.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
"Finally, one cannot compromise a God given Constitutional right."
I think you are a little out of line here. I have not yet found the right to keep and bear arms int the bible yet.
in a world full of compromise some don't
Then you have not read your bible in its entitedy...remember that you are supposed to obey the laws of the land..as long as they do not conflict with gods word.The constitution is the law of this country is it not?
Like this, for an example: Not long ago in my city, which happens to be a conservative city, anyhow, the local paper ran a four day front page series to call to the attention of the city homosexuals in the city.
In one article was a lesbian named "Kim" who was an open lesbian who wanted to attend a church that didn't persecute her for her sinful life style. So, I'm asking mysef, "What's the point?" No man can serve two masters (Matthew 6:24, Luke 16:13). Then they say, "We have no right to "judge" them." I, of course disagree there, as well, because there are numerous Proverbs concerning keeping bad company (1:10-19, 4-14-22, for starters, as well as other passages throughout, and then there is the true definition of "judging" (let's face it, when we are judged here for our wrong-doings, the judge does not reprimand us, he fines us, imprisons us, and may even have us sentenced to death, and God will do likewise, minus the fines and imprisonment) and the Golden rule (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31) is one that implies to rebuke others for their wrong-doings, rather than let them suffer God's punishment for never knowing, and accepting rebuking, as well, so that you will not be guilty of a sin that could have been repented. Two way street. Homosexuality is listed as an abonmination in the Bible. So after telling them they are not being judged until they are being lynched, shot, maimed, or otherwise punished to quit whining about being "judged".
Bottom line, just like those who sacrifice the unborn to avoid consequences of their lack of control of their bodies, homosexuals do the same thing; they attempt to make a society to which they can do whatever they want without consequences. But what both of those listed above can keep in mind is, HIV is a plague that is transmittable only through sinful lifestyles (I feel sorry for those who get it from transfusions), and that is one consequence they cannot escape once they get it. Time to get with the program...
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
I think my original point is still valid. There is a need for discussion. Fanatism doesn't bring us any further. It doesn't matter if it is for guns, god or Allah!
Some of you guys have proven her to have quite a potential to be fanatics.
What I'm trying toe say here it is not as "black and white" than some of you guys think it is.
I like to shoot and I like to continue doing this, but I think some of the opinions stated in this forum are oil on the fire who want to blame gun owners for all the crime there is.
We live in a democracy and the public opinion is what makes the laws. Currently we are a bunch of gun nuts that can't be reasoned with and looking at some of these posts I can see why the public thinks that.
in a world full of compromise some don't
When approached by those who would push their beliefs on why gun kontrol is a good thing, they always end up not getting the last word, which in turn, destroys their strategy of getting the last word. I am also one who directly gives solutions and suggestions, rather than point out all that is wrong and give no solutions. But, my assaults do not end there.... I call to people's attention that they've been lied to, and played as a fool. Can they back their position up with fact? Well, I can.
There is a reason I am not a compromiser or moderate. Every time we yield to compromise, we lose ground. When they come back, they seek to gain more ground, and they'll never stop unless they are derailed. It only takes a handful of times of creating ultimate failure for the opponents of gun kontrol, before they begin to disband as a waste of resources, but the more ground they can gain, the more they are accomplishing their mission.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
I read a lot of your comments, few were helpful in this topic and others like Ronnie perkins case. I am not asking for a compromise fut I ask for being constructive.
I know the world is bad and against me but repeating it over and over again does not make it better.
in a world full of compromise some don't
Gun control is hitting your target.
We are living in a democracy, now. The Constitutional Republic we used to live in has been abolished. I know, that just doesn't seem right, but the War Between the States was where it all began. The people of the North wanted to make a law forbidding slavery, and the South wanted it kept in place. The true argument was not altruistic at all. With plantation owners having slaves they paid for one time, the plantation owners had a huge labor cost advantage over the North's economy, and the North wanted a level playing field. Rather than put money they mostly did not have into buying slaves of their own, they would rather have the South free all their slaves (and take the loss on what they paid) so that we would all be "equal". The South's argument was that the US Constitution neither covered, nor forbade the having of slaves, so therefore, the 10th Amendment stated that the Federal Government had no say in it. Well, when the feds decided to flex their muscle, the South seceded from the Union, because, first of all, they weren't complying, and second, the federal government overstepped their boundaries.
And for all those who ever believed that slaves were freed based on an altuistic president, I bet none of you knew that "Honest Abe" began sending former slaves back to Africa up until the time he was assassinated. Amazing how facts have been distorted.
The difference between a democracy and a republican form of government is this:
A Constitutional republic operates on principles set forth in a written form that states how laws are made, how laws are interpreted, how laws are enforced, and creates a system of checks and balances. There are strict limitations on certain areas of law that cannot be ramified, taken away, or breeched in any way.
vs.
A democracy is basically no set form of government, and with extreme likeness to anarchy. Inalienable rights are mutable concepts, bearing no credit if a majority wants them removed. In this, there are no checks and balances, no defined method of creating, interpreting or enforcing laws, and when run by stupid people (like our country appears to be) can cause a great amount of trouble.
Somewhere along the line, here, we lost a great deal of our constitutional republic. When clueless judges (appointed for life and unremoveable) can scratch their head, and basically say, "I don't know what the law is concerning this issue, but this is what I think it says..." and thus, a new law is made (that's supposed to be the job of Congress), or when our President can go to war against another country, and rather than go to Congress and have them vote on a declaration of war (Article I Section 8 Clause 11), he goes to the UN asking for support, and Congress does nothing about it (Bush is not the first president to do this. The practice was started by demokrats) or when Congress can make laws that attack our inalienable rights in the name of safety and security, even though they took oath to uphold the US Constitution....
The only real solution here is to red line the laws that are unconstitutional, and to try those guilty of subverting the laws of treason for disregarding the constitutional oath and waging war against the citizens of the US. That in itself is only going to happen, post revolution.
Death to Tyrants!!! Lev 26:14-39
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
For those of you who haven't seen that part: While the crime rate went down 20% the media coverage about gun related crime went up 600%. With this kind of media coverage it is easy to blame everything on guns. This media coverage is also water on the mills who want to change the laws.
Another thing>
I think our society has changed since the founding fathers. People back then were more in balance with themselves and nature. They were more aware about the consequences of their actions. Today this is not the case anymore.
There must be something like a course that forces people at least to reflect what is means to own a gun and what new rules and regulation are applying now and what it means to to take a life and if it is worth to do that in order to defend your property.
I started thinking about that during my concealed carrying class and I think everybody needs some form of education ion order to be able to buy a gun.
in a world full of compromise some don't
When guns were invented everything changed. For the first time in the history of the world a frail woman had a chance to sucessfully defend herself and home. My dream is that one of the anti-gun nuts will need a gun for defense and be unable to have one because of their own actions.