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There is no chance an AWB will pass the house, there are too many pro gun members to let that happen. It would pass the Senate by a 54-46 margin, and lose in the House by a margin of 253-182. No need to worry just remain vigilant. We are going to sweep in 08 anyway, it just seems as though we'll be stuck with an option of Mccain/Romney.
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by lynx_strife
I am curious why do you need a assault weapon and a Hi-Cap mags. And I am a gun owner and as nice/cool it would be to own a full auto I just dont see the point in owning one.
The "assault weapon" term has already been explained. Let me explain the "Hi-Cap mags" term.
Limiting the number of rounds in a mag is basically a worthless law. Reason being that only the lawful will obey the law. Or even if the lawless criminals DID obey the law, consider this: if the violent criminal just positively had to carry 20 or 30 rounds when holding up the unarmed, defenseless, local conveience store clerk, then that criminal merely needs to carry 3 ten round mags. So in that example, how has a law limiting the number of rounds in a mag done even one damn good thing for the citizens. Yet with that law in place, millions of lawful gun owners would have to struggle with yet another worthless gun law hanging over their heads.
In addition, if the gun banners can limit you to a ten round mag, then next legislative session they can pass a law limiting you to a one or two round mag.
Plus, if we allow meaningless, worthless laws to be passed, over time the citizens will start to lose respect for all laws in general. And this would hurt our country. Because one thing that makes America one of the best countries in the world is our general respect for laws to live by.
Damn it, fox, I hate it when you do this!!!
You know as well as I do, this is not a worthless law, it is a counterproductive law.
Allow me to demonstrate....
A law made specifically limiting the amount of ammunition contained in a magazine is not a good thing in any respect. If it were, the cops would use it. After all, they have high capacity magazines in their sidearms, and these guys can call for back up if the SHTF.
A lone man against many men is seriously at the mercy of the many simply because he will not have enough ammunition available to make a lasting impression.
And then, there is the possibility of needing more ammunition for those instances concerning misses. But.. I know, all you guys are crackshots, right?? BS!!!! No one is that in a high-stress situation unless they have a script in their hand, but then, that's not a high-stress situation, is it??
It is never a good thing to punish everyone because a marginal few could not follow the laws. If anything that is a prime motivator for why everyone should be issued them to fight these SOB's off.
lynx_strife, glad to see that you have been swayed by the comments of the other users here. I know that Wounded Wolf and TR Fox are both now more pro-gun because of the discussions we've had on this board. I think that it is great how we are able to have these posts online, and reinforce how important these issues are. A lot of the people who use this board have become increasingly more pro-gun as a result of reading the posts here.
quote:Originally posted by romak1776
There is no chance an AWB will pass the house, there are too many pro gun members to let that happen. It would pass the Senate by a 54-46 margin, and lose in the House by a margin of 253-182. No need to worry just remain vigilant. We are going to sweep in 08 anyway, it just seems as though we'll be stuck with an option of Mccain/Romney.
Don't you bet on it.
Laws made rarely go away.[8D]
Well, Shootstraight;
I intend making an attempt to explain so you can understand.
Your Republicans have been in power for 12 years. Notice any loosening of UnConstitutional gun laws ?
Please don't waste my time with some "Big Business Protection Act"..that is UnConstitutional to start with.
The other law Sunsetted...The "Emergency Non-Confiscatory act" is the REAL screamer....in an Emergency, the government will do exactly as it wishes to.
No new gun laws ? No...the Republicans have been entirely too busy drawing the noose tighter around our collective necks in other, more devious ways...the "Patriot Act", "Know your Neighbor Act", ect...a REAL introduction to "1984" DoubleSpeak...
Your Republicans rolled back any gun laws ? Your President declares that "The Second Amendment means that individuals may own guns"..then adds "Subject to 20,000 odd gun laws.
See...the honest, clear-eyed look at America today understands that there is no longer ANY "Right" to own and shoot guns....merely "Privliges"...and your president rubbed you nose right in it. Possible you missed that fact...or perhaps you wern't smart enough to understand that fact. Look up the difference in the dictionary..and relflect on those brave men a couple hundred years that died...so we that could honor a president that appoints 700 "Gun Judges"...and increase funding to the BATF...an agency dedicated to stamping out gun ownership in America by enforcing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS....
You just keep right on pretending that you are Pro-Gun...by the way...as you support gun laws and anti-gun Politicians.
Being that this is America..barely..you are also going to have to listen as I call you gun-owning gun-law supporters exactly what you are...ANTI-GUN...
At least till you can elect enough Fascists to power to put me in jail.
No..as stated. I prefer MY treachery right up front..with an enemy that is not afraid to spit in my eye...then one that lies to my face.
TR, never said you were anti-gun. I was just saying that a few years back, you weren't quite as pro-gun as you are today. I remember the original machine gun thread from then, and you mentioned that it might be better off if they were unsuccessful in repealing the gun control laws because it might cause more of an outcry against all gun owners.
Not saying you advocated the ban, (I can't even remember your original wording), just saying that you seemed to buy into the whole "appeasement" issue. I think that you have become more pro-gun in that respect.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Well, Shootstraight;
I intend making an attempt to explain so you can understand.
Your Republicans have been in power for 12 years. Notice any loosening of UnConstitutional gun laws ?
Please don't waste my time with some "Big Business Protection Act"..that is UnConstitutional to start with.
The other law Sunsetted...The "Emergency Non-Confiscatory act" is the REAL screamer....in an Emergency, the government will do exactly as it wishes to.
No new gun laws ? No...the Republicans have been entirely too busy drawing the noose tighter around our collective necks in other, more devious ways...the "Patriot Act", "Know your Neighbor Act", ect...a REAL introduction to "1984" DoubleSpeak...
Your Republicans rolled back any gun laws ? Your President declares that "The Second Amendment means that individuals may own guns"..then adds "Subject to 20,000 odd gun laws.
See...the honest, clear-eyed look at America today understands that there is no longer ANY "Right" to own and shoot guns....merely "Privliges"...and your president rubbed you nose right in it. Possible you missed that fact...or perhaps you wern't smart enough to understand that fact. Look up the difference in the dictionary..and relflect on those brave men a couple hundred years that died...so we that could honor a president that appoints 700 "Gun Judges"...and increase funding to the BATF...an agency dedicated to stamping out gun ownership in America by enforcing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS....
You just keep right on pretending that you are Pro-Gun...by the way...as you support gun laws and anti-gun Politicians.
Being that this is America..barely..you are also going to have to listen as I call you gun-owning gun-law supporters exactly what you are...ANTI-GUN...
At least till you can elect enough Fascists to power to put me in jail.
No..as stated. I prefer MY treachery right up front..with an enemy that is not afraid to spit in my eye...then one that lies to my face.
Highball
I don't know how old you are but it sounds as if you are younger . I was 15 years old when I bought my first handgun without an adult and no background check. I was 28 years old when a DemocRAT copied Hitler's gun control and sold it to a DemocRAT controlled congress (40 years of democRAT control ) that thought it was a great thing to do. Welfare ( steal from the one who do well and give to the one who don't do or won't do) a DemocRAT program to make citizens dependent on government. What we have now is 50% of the people in this country dependent on a pay check from the government from working for or sucking off the government tit, farm subsidy (money to not grow a crop) government grants given to people to do research and tell us that butter isn't good for us.
Communism , Socialism , Marxism , liberalism is all the same bill of goods no matter who writes it . Man was not created equal and republicans , democRATS or Sam Colt can never make it so.
An armed citizen is a free man , a disarmed citizen is a slave.
I am an independent nonconformist and when I vote I have very few like myself to vote for. If I am to vote I have to vote for the person that will do me the least amount of harm and that is not people that when they get to government vote the party line because they are tolled to. Dam the Constitution or what is right .
I am the wolf not a sheep.
A well armed society is the best form of homeland security.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you. [8D][8D][8D]
The only mistake you make is hating the Democrats.
The system is set up so that Democrats hate the Republicans...the Republicans are taught to hate and fear the Democrats.
The real agenda continues no matter WHO is in power..that agenda being more power to the goverment...less freedom to the people. Your own history reveals this bitter fact.
No matter HOW you try and twist the facts...NO REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION has rolled back gun laws...because a gun=less population is ALSO a coveted event for the Republicans. They are smart enough to realize that gun laws are vote losers...so they work on other freedom destroying laws and regulations.
Young...? I blew right by that many years ago. Cynicism is the main diet, today....
Hate is a word you use not me. I like everyone I get a great amount of joy from dealing with stupid people. Just go to any party headquaters and see the people involed.
quote:Originally posted by lynx_strife
I am curious why do you need a assault weapon and a Hi-Cap mags. And I am a gun owner and as nice/cool it would be to own a full auto I just dont see the point in owning one.
SO WHEN THE GOVERMENT COMES KNOCKING (MM MAYBE NOT KNOCKING)AT YOUR DOOR, YOU HAVE THE SAME KIND WEAPONS THEY HAVE.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
The only mistake you make is hating the Democrats.
You forgot ...and liking Republicans. They're both interested only in keeping power and taking away all your rights - the only difference is which rights are their priority in taking away from you. The only people who want to take back freedoms are true Libertarians.
Anyway, a couple comments:
I didn't need a car that does 180 mph - but I had one anyway...too damn bad I could only drive it properly in Germany.
I don't need guns (except at work), but I have them. One handgun(which I've only needed to pull twice), and two rifles - not assault rifles, not hunting rifles. My Garand is my favorite...and if it comes down to it, that 62 year old weapon of iron and wood will again be doing what John G made it for in the first place: defend freedom.
Hopefully it won't come down to that - this country can still be fixed under the established process, if more people begin to understand both the process and the principles we should live by. Vote Libertarian
For Lynx Strife: Sometimes it is helpful to keep in mind that when our Founding Fathers inked the Second Amendment, they had access to the most modern and lethal arms of their time.
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I prefer my treachery right up front in the open.
quote:Originally posted by lynx_strife
I am curious why do you need a assault weapon and a Hi-Cap mags. And I am a gun owner and as nice/cool it would be to own a full auto I just dont see the point in owning one.
The "assault weapon" term has already been explained. Let me explain the "Hi-Cap mags" term.
Limiting the number of rounds in a mag is basically a worthless law. Reason being that only the lawful will obey the law. Or even if the lawless criminals DID obey the law, consider this: if the violent criminal just positively had to carry 20 or 30 rounds when holding up the unarmed, defenseless, local conveience store clerk, then that criminal merely needs to carry 3 ten round mags. So in that example, how has a law limiting the number of rounds in a mag done even one damn good thing for the citizens. Yet with that law in place, millions of lawful gun owners would have to struggle with yet another worthless gun law hanging over their heads.
In addition, if the gun banners can limit you to a ten round mag, then next legislative session they can pass a law limiting you to a one or two round mag.
Plus, if we allow meaningless, worthless laws to be passed, over time the citizens will start to lose respect for all laws in general. And this would hurt our country. Because one thing that makes America one of the best countries in the world is our general respect for laws to live by.
Damn it, fox, I hate it when you do this!!!
You know as well as I do, this is not a worthless law, it is a counterproductive law.
Allow me to demonstrate....
A law made specifically limiting the amount of ammunition contained in a magazine is not a good thing in any respect. If it were, the cops would use it. After all, they have high capacity magazines in their sidearms, and these guys can call for back up if the SHTF.
A lone man against many men is seriously at the mercy of the many simply because he will not have enough ammunition available to make a lasting impression.
And then, there is the possibility of needing more ammunition for those instances concerning misses. But.. I know, all you guys are crackshots, right?? BS!!!! No one is that in a high-stress situation unless they have a script in their hand, but then, that's not a high-stress situation, is it??
It is never a good thing to punish everyone because a marginal few could not follow the laws. If anything that is a prime motivator for why everyone should be issued them to fight these SOB's off.
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[south park mob]FREE HAT! FREE HAT! FREE HAT![/south park mob]
There is no chance an AWB will pass the house, there are too many pro gun members to let that happen. It would pass the Senate by a 54-46 margin, and lose in the House by a margin of 253-182. No need to worry just remain vigilant. We are going to sweep in 08 anyway, it just seems as though we'll be stuck with an option of Mccain/Romney.
Don't you bet on it.
Laws made rarely go away.[8D]
Given that McCain runs...I will go door to door hustling for Hillary.
I prefer my treachery right up front in the open.
Highball
This is the kind of thinking that put the * party back
in the drivers seat[8D]
I intend making an attempt to explain so you can understand.
Your Republicans have been in power for 12 years. Notice any loosening of UnConstitutional gun laws ?
Please don't waste my time with some "Big Business Protection Act"..that is UnConstitutional to start with.
The other law Sunsetted...The "Emergency Non-Confiscatory act" is the REAL screamer....in an Emergency, the government will do exactly as it wishes to.
No new gun laws ? No...the Republicans have been entirely too busy drawing the noose tighter around our collective necks in other, more devious ways...the "Patriot Act", "Know your Neighbor Act", ect...a REAL introduction to "1984" DoubleSpeak...
Your Republicans rolled back any gun laws ? Your President declares that "The Second Amendment means that individuals may own guns"..then adds "Subject to 20,000 odd gun laws.
See...the honest, clear-eyed look at America today understands that there is no longer ANY "Right" to own and shoot guns....merely "Privliges"...and your president rubbed you nose right in it. Possible you missed that fact...or perhaps you wern't smart enough to understand that fact. Look up the difference in the dictionary..and relflect on those brave men a couple hundred years that died...so we that could honor a president that appoints 700 "Gun Judges"...and increase funding to the BATF...an agency dedicated to stamping out gun ownership in America by enforcing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS....
You just keep right on pretending that you are Pro-Gun...by the way...as you support gun laws and anti-gun Politicians.
Being that this is America..barely..you are also going to have to listen as I call you gun-owning gun-law supporters exactly what you are...ANTI-GUN...
At least till you can elect enough Fascists to power to put me in jail.
No..as stated. I prefer MY treachery right up front..with an enemy that is not afraid to spit in my eye...then one that lies to my face.
Not saying you advocated the ban, (I can't even remember your original wording), just saying that you seemed to buy into the whole "appeasement" issue. I think that you have become more pro-gun in that respect.
Lets buy all the guns we can, while we still can, so when we can't we can all use them so we can buy more again. [;)]
I hate guns. They are ruining my bank account.
[:D]
"Shoot 'em if you got 'em!"
Well, Shootstraight;
I intend making an attempt to explain so you can understand.
Your Republicans have been in power for 12 years. Notice any loosening of UnConstitutional gun laws ?
Please don't waste my time with some "Big Business Protection Act"..that is UnConstitutional to start with.
The other law Sunsetted...The "Emergency Non-Confiscatory act" is the REAL screamer....in an Emergency, the government will do exactly as it wishes to.
No new gun laws ? No...the Republicans have been entirely too busy drawing the noose tighter around our collective necks in other, more devious ways...the "Patriot Act", "Know your Neighbor Act", ect...a REAL introduction to "1984" DoubleSpeak...
Your Republicans rolled back any gun laws ? Your President declares that "The Second Amendment means that individuals may own guns"..then adds "Subject to 20,000 odd gun laws.
See...the honest, clear-eyed look at America today understands that there is no longer ANY "Right" to own and shoot guns....merely "Privliges"...and your president rubbed you nose right in it. Possible you missed that fact...or perhaps you wern't smart enough to understand that fact. Look up the difference in the dictionary..and relflect on those brave men a couple hundred years that died...so we that could honor a president that appoints 700 "Gun Judges"...and increase funding to the BATF...an agency dedicated to stamping out gun ownership in America by enforcing UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS....
You just keep right on pretending that you are Pro-Gun...by the way...as you support gun laws and anti-gun Politicians.
Being that this is America..barely..you are also going to have to listen as I call you gun-owning gun-law supporters exactly what you are...ANTI-GUN...
At least till you can elect enough Fascists to power to put me in jail.
No..as stated. I prefer MY treachery right up front..with an enemy that is not afraid to spit in my eye...then one that lies to my face.
Highball
I don't know how old you are but it sounds as if you are younger . I was 15 years old when I bought my first handgun without an adult and no background check. I was 28 years old when a DemocRAT copied Hitler's gun control and sold it to a DemocRAT controlled congress (40 years of democRAT control ) that thought it was a great thing to do. Welfare ( steal from the one who do well and give to the one who don't do or won't do) a DemocRAT program to make citizens dependent on government. What we have now is 50% of the people in this country dependent on a pay check from the government from working for or sucking off the government tit, farm subsidy (money to not grow a crop) government grants given to people to do research and tell us that butter isn't good for us.
Communism , Socialism , Marxism , liberalism is all the same bill of goods no matter who writes it . Man was not created equal and republicans , democRATS or Sam Colt can never make it so.
An armed citizen is a free man , a disarmed citizen is a slave.
I am an independent nonconformist and when I vote I have very few like myself to vote for. If I am to vote I have to vote for the person that will do me the least amount of harm and that is not people that when they get to government vote the party line because they are tolled to. Dam the Constitution or what is right .
I am the wolf not a sheep.
A well armed society is the best form of homeland security.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you. [8D][8D][8D]
The system is set up so that Democrats hate the Republicans...the Republicans are taught to hate and fear the Democrats.
The real agenda continues no matter WHO is in power..that agenda being more power to the goverment...less freedom to the people. Your own history reveals this bitter fact.
No matter HOW you try and twist the facts...NO REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION has rolled back gun laws...because a gun=less population is ALSO a coveted event for the Republicans. They are smart enough to realize that gun laws are vote losers...so they work on other freedom destroying laws and regulations.
Young...? I blew right by that many years ago. Cynicism is the main diet, today....
I am curious why do you need a assault weapon and a Hi-Cap mags. And I am a gun owner and as nice/cool it would be to own a full auto I just dont see the point in owning one.
SO WHEN THE GOVERMENT COMES KNOCKING (MM MAYBE NOT KNOCKING)AT YOUR DOOR, YOU HAVE THE SAME KIND WEAPONS THEY HAVE.
The only mistake you make is hating the Democrats.
You forgot ...and liking Republicans. They're both interested only in keeping power and taking away all your rights - the only difference is which rights are their priority in taking away from you. The only people who want to take back freedoms are true Libertarians.
Anyway, a couple comments:
I didn't need a car that does 180 mph - but I had one anyway...too damn bad I could only drive it properly in Germany.
I don't need guns (except at work), but I have them. One handgun(which I've only needed to pull twice), and two rifles - not assault rifles, not hunting rifles. My Garand is my favorite...and if it comes down to it, that 62 year old weapon of iron and wood will again be doing what John G made it for in the first place: defend freedom.
Hopefully it won't come down to that - this country can still be fixed under the established process, if more people begin to understand both the process and the principles we should live by. Vote Libertarian