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Wildcat 12GA From Hell.--
hubel458
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I just got a super shotgun done,that shoots the real
fast sabots I mentioned in the sabot thread below..
We used a Savage 210 bolt action with heavy barrel and
stock.Brass cases are real long and we made them by putting
12ga size rims on BMG brass and straightening cases.Here is
picture of our case next to regular 12ga plastic.And our
chamber will also fire thw regular shells.Ed
fast sabots I mentioned in the sabot thread below..
We used a Savage 210 bolt action with heavy barrel and
stock.Brass cases are real long and we made them by putting
12ga size rims on BMG brass and straightening cases.Here is
picture of our case next to regular 12ga plastic.And our
chamber will also fire thw regular shells.Ed
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cartridge,Rob and John used big Borchardt falling
block action and Rob plans on going after a Buffalo with it..
Here is pic of his gun.Ed.
I've fired Ed's rifle, and it would be ideal if the Amish in our area decide to revolt [}:)] It also would work for taking down a whole herd of cats deer with one shot [:D]
Of course if you want to be technical, you don't need anything bigger than a 30-30 for anything this side of Africa dangerious game
As I tell the wife, I always need "just" one more gun
Is that thing mounted on wheels!??[:D][:D][:D]
And the weight really makes it nice to shoot.
Here is picture of mine built on the savage 210
bolt action.Ed.
That brusier looks like it gonna leave a mark.[:D]
Let's just say you won't be wondering if it went off when you pulled the trigger. If you know HOW to shoot a boomer, Ed's rifle isn't bad at all (if you don't know how to shoot a boomer, it'll teach you real fast, hang on tight [}:)] )
cases, and a original bmg case with rim turned
off and threaded to take 12ga size rims shown in
the picture..Ed
I fired it half a dozen times one afternoon, and it just slightly rocked my 185lb body. Only about 6" of muzzle rise and no brusing.
DaBowMan
I fired it half a dozen times one afternoon, and it just slightly rocked my 185lb body. Only about 6" of muzzle rise and no brusing.
really. Is it ported??
Here is picture of the case we fired 36 times,
sectioned to show there is no stretching or thinning.
Can't even measure any thinning with calipers.Ed.
on to see if it will work for 12GA FH..Ed
showing our 12GA FH in the scheme of things.
1st is 700NE, 2nd is our 12GA FH,3rd
my 700HE belted case.Ed.
guys with big Borchardt falling blocks can go
70,000. Cases will take pressures for many reloads,
as the following pic shows of one sectioned that I
fired 36 times.No sign of thinning at all. Ed.
makes.Got it to 2300fps at moderate pressures.Lightened it
with hollowpoint and got it to 2500 plus with no leading.
That will make Greg happy as no one else can test them that fast.
Here is picture of 3 with one in case. It is seated out so
to get max capacity. It is real hard. Good for big game.Ed
me know.I have 50 extras. Ten bucks for Case, trip to PO,
postage.Ed
pointed brass bullet that will shoot flatter than
regular shotgun stuff, because of our high velocities.
Good for vicious p-dogs I guess.... Ed.
All 500 S&W bullets will work in same sabot that
Federal put the Barnes in.Also lighter 505 slugs.
And real neat, the front section of BMG surplus
bore rider bullets. Buy them by the bushel.
Cut off the .510 diameter back and leaves front
1.5 in long of .500 diameter. Fit sabot cup perfect.
It is second in picture.Ed
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed
That's really a well thought out design you have, and the 50 BMG bullets in sabots is a great "plinking" round [:D]!
I'm 51, 5'8, 185lb. Ed's rifle pushed me around a little, but not real bad considering the power it has. Ed reported thet the barrel only came up about 6" when I fired it offhand.
Recoil level is in the 100-110lb range, which is about what you normaly find when your shooting a true "big bore" rifle (Medium bores like the 416 Rigby runs in the mid 60's).
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Can use our case shorter, but load developement harder.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed
to fire bmg primers, it easier to
do the following with adapter bushings.
Here is picture of cases for primer
comparisons.1st is regular bmg
primer. 2nd is adapted to a shotgun primer.
3rd is adapted to large rifle primer.
Of the 2 adaptations, large rifle is
easier to do, just ream out pocket, thread in adapter, but adapting shotgun primer
you have to deepen the original primer
pocket a little, then thread and screw in
a bushing.These two primers give about
100 fps less than bmg primer.Ed.
hardened cast slug to 2400 plus with 300 gr RL-25.
Full load. Bottom of cases don't need sizing.
Got 600gr to 3250, 14,000 ft lbs. Ball powder load.Ed
Testing RL-25 in Savage, with long case--Got 730 gr
hardened cast slug to 2400 plus with 300 gr RL-25.
Full load. Bottom of cases don't need sizing.
Got 600gr to 3250, 14,000 ft lbs. Ball powder load.Ed
That's amazing Ed.-- What a thumper!!
Did I read that right about 300 grains of RL25 powder with the 730gr hardened slug ? What a payload...........[:0]
to 2900 using 280gr of Win W-760 ball
powder in Savage today. Got 730gr over 2800 with 300 gr of
RL-22 yesterday. And hardened Dixie slugs at 70 cents each are
a neat deal. Ed
Temblor- That's correct. And we got a 730 hardened cast
to 2900 using 280gr of Win W-760 ball
powder in Savage today. Got 730gr over 2800 with 300 gr of
RL-22 yesterday. And hardened Dixie slugs at 70 cents each are
a neat deal. Ed
That's alot of powder Ed!!
Do you think the Dixie slugs would hold together on big game like Cape Buffalo, etc ?? That's pretty cheap shooting for such a big round.
Keep us posted -- Interesting stuff.......[^]