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Why are so many afraid of a draft .
joeaf1911a1
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Sure, its hard to leave your family, friends, jobs and good life, but
time comes when you "may" be called on by the country that gave you
everything. In Sept 1940 our ww2 "preparedness" started with a draft
of 900,0000 people. Was only supposed to be a 1 year draft but it didnt work out that way after Dec. 7 '41. Terms were changed to "Duration of Hostilities plus 6 months" for draftees and/or enlistees. Draftees and enlistees served together. About half and half enlistees and draftees
was what we had, totaling about 11,000,000 of us . I must admit, those in the "regular army " said about the draft, "we may win the war, but the army will never be the same". So why with all the "gung ho" CCW
people, home defence people, and shooters so damn worried about serving for their country in time of hostilities? Because someone may be shooting back at them? And yes, I enlisted in'43, got out in early '46 after serving as a combat Infantryman in the 3rd Inf. Div..
So go ahead guys, been shot at before .
time comes when you "may" be called on by the country that gave you
everything. In Sept 1940 our ww2 "preparedness" started with a draft
of 900,0000 people. Was only supposed to be a 1 year draft but it didnt work out that way after Dec. 7 '41. Terms were changed to "Duration of Hostilities plus 6 months" for draftees and/or enlistees. Draftees and enlistees served together. About half and half enlistees and draftees
was what we had, totaling about 11,000,000 of us . I must admit, those in the "regular army " said about the draft, "we may win the war, but the army will never be the same". So why with all the "gung ho" CCW
people, home defence people, and shooters so damn worried about serving for their country in time of hostilities? Because someone may be shooting back at them? And yes, I enlisted in'43, got out in early '46 after serving as a combat Infantryman in the 3rd Inf. Div..
So go ahead guys, been shot at before .
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Rock o' the Marne!
Because they've been told to be afraid of it by the democratic party.[}:)]
How you doin'!
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded by
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To answer your question? "Why are so many afraid of a draft"
I fear we are becoming or all ready are a nation of "Candy *'s"
I guess I don't see things the way people much younger tham I do.
My Grandfather served in Cuba in the Spanish American War with the 2nd Cav.
http://vdf40.tripod.com/cuba/cubaweb.html
My Father in the Big One WWII, France, Belgium, Germany and was lucky enough to sent on the the Phillipines BTW He was drafted.
But comparing it to WWII is like comparing apples and oranges. At that time over half the world was embroiled in a war where millions were dying, and if fighting towelheads comes to that kind of war...the yea I'd hit the draft switch in a new york minute. But I don't think now is the time for a draft as the battles are very small scale, sparse and difficult to even react to and having 11 million soldiers isn't going to change that.
Hell, with budget cutbacks we can't even hardly equip our own volunteer forces properly let alone an army 10x the size unless congress cuts their crap out with the budget.
The kids today will probably have to take the piercings out of their noses and faces and they don't like that.
Besides, they will have to wear pants that actually fit and wear their hats on straight.
And, no more video games, music, cell phones, Brittany, etc......................
"I did not mind the war at all...it was the Army I could'nt stand!. Running when you could just as easily have walked. Standing out in the hot sun for an hour listening to or doing nothing of any importance when we could have just as easily sat in the shade. People yelling and screaming constantly about the most trivial nonsense. Doing things so inefficently that even the dumbest person in the platoon could easily devise a better way. Waste, waste, waste, everwhere you looked: wasted time, wasted effort, and wasted money...so much waste we could have simply paid off the Germans to quit the war with the money being wasted. People put in charge who in civilian life would not be allowed out of the house by themselves but in the Army they got a couple of stripes and then went over the deep end with power. People telling me how to make my bunk, how to brush my G-- Damned teeth...those A-holes even had instructions for us on washing and even managed to over complicate a trip to the toilet"! The man continued on for several more paprgraphs (It is fantastic stuff) and just to show I am not biased he did add "I made the best friends in the Army that I ever had in my life".
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
Ever wonder if a sneeze would have a shotgun-like effect?
Draft people for Iraq? What in the hell for? If Iraq was a threat to the United States' way of life, to our very existence, then I'm the King of Persia*.
*yes, I know Persia is now called Iran and even when the did have a monarchy, the post was called the "shah"... which is exactly my point.
We're not, as someone so eloquently put it, turning into a nation of candy @$$es. I would simply posit the theory that, after such essential wars as Grenada and Panama, we simply learned our lesson to NOT fight every time the president hits that time of the month.
I mean, if we're going to use World War II as an example, what was the point? Well, the point was that it was a struggle between the forces of good and evil... and if you can't tell me which is which, you've got a lot of problems.
But drafting millions of our sons and daughters so they can ensure the people of Fallujah can have a steady supply of targets seems a bit on the stupid side to me. After all, WMDs weren't found and those items that were deemed dangerous were left lying around because, as we all know, Iraqis are a peaceful people... an armory full of tons of hi-ex would undoubtedly take a backseat to all of the confectionaries and florists as the residents of Baghdad streamed in to ensure there were enough sweets to distribute to the liberating American troops.
But hey, dying isn't all that bad, especially for non-existent WMDs and non-existent ties to Al Qaeda. Just ask Bush. The war in Iraq hasn't bothered him a bit and from his own personal experience, a draft is something for the poor kids to worry about.
JBoss......Fear No Fish/peace through superior firepower
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
Bingo. They love their country, just not enough to serve and possibly die for it.
AlleninAlaska
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There's very little pride, patriotism or sense of sacrifice anymore. "Unless I'm going to personally profit from it, and profit quickly, then I ain't doing it."
Hey Munkee:
I guess you think that a person's willingness to serve his country should be based on how he/she personally interprets the threat? Or maybe they should call and get YOUR expert opinion before enlisting or registering for the draft? Maybe the President should call you every day to make sure he's doing the right thing?
How'd you get to be so smart?
Lord Lowrider the Loquacious.
Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets
She was only a fisherman's daughter,
But when she saw my rod she reeled.
We've got an estimated 10 million people in our country illegally whom all could be terrorists for all we know and none of the same kids are worried about that.
That's right. DON'T ENLIST! Leave it up to the country folk and their Remington 700's and 870's if a fighting force is ever needed. Ignore the rest of the world and what is going on out there!
I see the gauntlet has been thrown down!
SSG idsman75
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Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you can be, what you ought to be, what you will be. They are your rallying points!
I'd say something about the Tree of Liberty but it would be redundant.
Lord Lowrider the Loquacious.
Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets
She was only a fisherman's daughter,
But when she saw my rod she reeled.
That's wonderfully French of you.
Rocklobster--He's been hanging out at www.objector.org too much
us to file our selective service papers to get in to College or Tech schools.
I did. I can say that I do regret that I did not join the service.
I know my life would have been different.
My father joined the US Navy at 16 and still a Canadian citizen.
They helped him get his GED and when he left the Navy 4 years later he
recieved his US citizenship.
He spent his service in the Phillipians operating a radio station in the jungle, living with the natives.
My oldest brother joined the army after he dropped out of college and spent 18 months in Vietnam.
My other brother washed out of the Air Force, got a medical discharge.
I respect those that served and regret that I didn't.
I beleive that a draft would be good for all our young men.
Okay, yes I did say "young men". I do not beleive that women belong
in combat situations.
They could bring back the WACKS or the WAVES (may have speeled those wrong).
If a young woman wants to join she could join one of those.
I do not beleive we should draft women.
It is the liberals who do not want to see a draft and are pushing the scare.
They want young people that they can lead as sheep and do not have a mind of thier own.
Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it state: "Seperation of Church and State".
"Those who beat their guns into plow shares; will plow for those who don't."
"Isaiah 5:20 ?Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
When told to "bayonet up", I knew it was a fight we might not come back from. I did it out of loyality to my country and to my fellow Marines. I didn't question the order, nor did I refuse it. If I had, I would have fully expected to be shot by my fellow Marines. I doubt you would have survived.
You make me sick to my stomach you gutless wonder. Is "Ol Grey Ghost" the user name for John Kerry?
I respect a conscientious objector, and I detest a coward. Guess which one you are?
I don't believe you served anyone except yourself.
How you doin'!
If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven's scenes;
They will find the streets are guarded by
UNITED STATES MARINES!
Greg
Former Marine
A N G L I C O
As for fearing a draft, here are my thoughts....
1. Since the draft was 'abolished, for lack of a better term, we have raised almost two generations of "citizens" who have been brought up in an atmosphere of almost total permissiveness. Yes, they want all the rights and privelages of being a citizen of this country, yet want nothing to do with all the responsibilities and obligations.
2. At the same time, those two generations have grown up with, for the most part, little or no discipline in their lives. Look at how they dress, act, talk, and interact with the rest of society. Their attitude is that if there is nothing in it for them, they want nothing to do with it. I call it the yuppie syndrome...he who dies with the most toys, wins.
3. Our education processes have deteriorated to the point that if you want your child to get a good education, you have to home school or put them in a private school with highly regarded academics. Listen to the way kids of today speak. You can hardly understand them unless they tell you f*** off! That comes out really clearly. They have been raised on Dr. Spock, no spankings, no chores, and easy handouts from parents who probably love them, but really don't want to be bothered by them.
What they need is about 10-16 weeks under the watchful eye of some drill instructor who will make them do physical training, learn how ot make their bed, pick up their clothes, polish their shoes, and learn how to say 'yes sir and no sir.' I have a couple of DI's in mind, and I'm certain that there are many here who could highly recommend many more.
They also need to learn U.S. history...the real stuff, not the pablum, politically correct crap that serves as history as it taught by revisionist text books and liberal professors whose heads are so far up their rectal canal that they haven't sniffed oxygen in years. They need to work, as in manual labor, shovels, picks, push lawn mowers, chain saws, etc. Then maybe, just maybe they would know the real value of living in this country. I said MAYBE, but I don't see any turn around in them in the near future, sadly.
John
The original point and click interface was made by Smith & Wesson
The draft would be a great thing ,mandatory service for all would teach some stability in the kids today ,but being you only have one life do you really want to be a pawn for a commander in Somalia trying to oust a general for a bunch of aids infected people that would kill you themselves if you turned your back ?, not me
I have one son ,I will not have any other ,I don't want him to be shipped home in a body bag ,or watch him burn in the streets of Baghdad while the ungrateful dance around his body
Wow! I think I recognize you, Ghost. Aren't you the dude who cried himself to sleep in my Basic Training barracks every night back in 1968? [:D][:D]
Lord Lowrider the Loquacious.
Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets
She was only a fisherman's daughter,
But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
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The Ol' Grey Ghost
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"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
Get a dictionary and a good book about debate and logic and read them and comprehend what you have read and then insult me (but that's too much work for you I'll bet).
The Ol Grey Ghost
"If you can't fool all the people all of the time, why do we still have elections?"
TROLL TIME
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
When 'Nam came along, the elite realized that one could get killed over there and, having the silver spoons, decided that college deferments, the National Guard, and Canada/France/England were the better choices. This gave the burden, as usual, to the middle and lower classes to pull the load. They resented it and the military recognizing, that there would be a morale problem if the draft continued, switched over to the volunteer.
Without the draft it makes it easier for the politicans to use military force because they well know the folks ain't going to say much. Iraq is beginning to show that the force structure is again calling upon the middle class to pick up the load (just check how many children of our congressmen, senators, administration officials are in the miitary today).
If this country is going to commit its military forces, it had better darn well make sure the people agree with its employment of force. One way to ensure that would be to demand a declaration of war prior to sending troops off (our Congress ducked the issue and gave "authorization" to Bush so if the fan and bag met, they could deny having any responsibility for the consequences.)
I'd be in favor of a UNIVERSAL draft--poor, middle class, elites (no deferments for any reason) for 18-24 months. Enough of my rambling.
Don't assume malice for what stupidity can explain.
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