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Odd Sermon at church today.
Survivalist86
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As many may or may not know, there is a strong secessionist movement in Texas, and Lutherans have always been known as bucking the system. Today in church, instead of the prverbial "Happy Mothers Day" message, my pastor discussed revoltion in America. I thought that was very bizzare, since our church doctrine forbids politics from the pulpit, or discussion within church walls. Comments?
Comments
Maybe an unsigned letter?
I wish you luck.
As many may or may not know, there is a strong secessionist movement in Texas, and Lutherans have always been known as bucking the system. Today in church, instead of the prverbial "Happy Mothers Day" message, my pastor discussed revoltion in America. I thought that was very bizzare, since our church doctrine forbids politics from the pulpit, or discussion within church walls. Comments?
Naw. He did not use any politics. He just mentioned what the bible says about revolution. Agan...very odd.
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
Yep sure did [?] It was pretty good I thought
b
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
Yep sure did [?] It was pretty good I thought
b
You are LCMS?
Today was a salvation message.
During and after eating lunch we discussed
a few issues, one being the UN treaty about children. The discussion did get to preparation and survival during the upcoming "changes" in our land.
quote:Originally posted by burdz19
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
Yep sure did [?] It was pretty good I thought
b
You are LCMS?
Missouri Synod, yes sir.
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by burdz19
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
Yep sure did [?] It was pretty good I thought
b
You are LCMS?
Missouri Synod, yes sir.
And you got the revolt sermon today?
Blach churches mention politics frequently and do not lose their tax exempt status!
No politics were mentioned. And a pastor in our church can lose his job for doing it. It has been that way for 400 years. This is what happened after the 9-11-01 ordeal where a statment was made in public while in attendence by other non Lutherans. And this is the president of our synod.
http://www.reclaimingwalther.org/articles/jmc00384.htm
quote:Originally posted by burdz19
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by burdz19
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
Yep sure did [?] It was pretty good I thought
b
You are LCMS?
Missouri Synod, yes sir.
And you got the revolt sermon today?
Yep, and just talked to 82 y/o grandma and she brought up the strange sermon she heard today..
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by burdz19
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by burdz19
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by bigcitybill
Seems strange to me that the pastor picked this particular day to give a sermon like that.
Yeah..me too. Lutheran churches have a standard topic for Sunday. I will call a couple of my buddies who attend other Missouri Lutheran churches and see if they got the same thing.
Yep sure did [?] It was pretty good I thought
b
You are LCMS?
Missouri Synod, yes sir.
And you got the revolt sermon today?
Yep, and just talked to 82 y/o grandma and she brought up the strange sermon she heard today..
Must have come down from St Louis. I will make a call to Fort Worth on Monday.
But that's just me...
Here's part of the text of Psalm 94: "20 Can unjust leaders claim that God is on their side - leaders who permit injustice by their laws? 21 They attack the righteous and condemn the innocent to death."
Given the current administration's advancement of "hate-speech" laws aimed at silencing Biblical views of homosexuality and the wholesale liberal policies on abortion, the text seems right on target.
I think a revolution is inevitable.How else are we going to turn this country around?The politicians sure as hell don't seem concerned about the direction we are headed
How about through the political process? Duh!! Historically, revolution is a real messy business. Most of them usher in a worse regime then the one that was tossed out.
oh ya, Also LCMS didn't get that sermon at church today.
Our own pastor had a similar sermon several months back and he and I had a long discussion about the matter afterwards. I told him that the Supreme Authority, (next to God) of our land was the US Constitution...and that I had every intention of upholding my oath to defend it. The Bible does teach us to submit to the authorities placed above us...but there is but one ultimate authority of this nation...and that is the US Constitution.
do't worry about loosing your tax free status.If the churches pastored by Jerimiah wright,Jessie jackson,Dr.M.L.King didn't loose their tax free status,why should your church?
Has nothing to do with tax free status. No politics were mentioned. I was just interested in why all the bible reading concerning revolt, and a prayer asking for deliverance from those who wish to destroy us by revolution. Politics have been forbidden in our denomination for 400+ years.
We already had one revolution in this country.Worked out pretty good to.It lead to the drafting of our constitution and the beginning of a democracy.
We are NOT a Democracy!
We are a Democratic REPUBLIC.
There IS a difference.
Today in church, instead of the prverbial "Happy Mothers Day" message, my pastor discussed revoltion in America.
When does it start...I'll be there. [:(!]
It doesn't matter what happens if there is no revival.
If there is revival, then it doesn't matter what happens.
Priorities.
I think.
Explain please. revival? In what?
I will give you an observation of what I have been seeing more of lately from all walks of life.
People are scared of what they know or think is coming. Everything from our freedom to religion is under attack by the government right now. All in an attempt to turn us into a gay loving and socialist country.
People are scared, fed up and are ready for a revolt. The ones who are fed up are willing to get their message out using any means possible. Be it from the local barber shop chair to the pulpit of a church.
Something big is coming and we all know it. To be honest. The reason I think that it has not started yet, is the years that Americans have lived with the "love thy neighbor" mentality and can not get past the thought of pulling the trigger on your next door neighbor over something that you believe in. Once Americans get over that. The country will split and the war will begin.
I grew up in a church that still, has the dividing wall down the middle of the church. (For non-Lutherans, the dividing wall was/is used to seperate men from women during services, men on the right, women on the left). To this day the dividing wall is there, and they still do not have A/C.
I am not a church goer.
I will give you an observation of what I have been seeing more of lately from all walks of life.
People are scared of what they know or think is coming. Everything from our freedom to religion is under attack by the government right now. All in an attempt to turn us into a gay loving and socialist country.
People are scared, fed up and are ready for a revolt. The ones who are fed up are willing to get their message out using any means possible. Be it from the local barber shop chair to the pulpit of a church.
Something big is coming and we all know it. To be honest. The reason I think that it has not started yet, is the years that Americans have lived with the "love thy neighbor" mentality and can not get past the thought of pulling the trigger on your next door neighbor over something that you believe in. Once Americans get over that. The country will split and the war will begin.
I agree...something is building, and it is big. As an historian, I am ashamed to say it, but it is an exciting time for me.
The church I've been going to when able has always taught to keep a little of this and that to the side. To be honest that is one of the major reasons why I'm interested in this church.
Mormon.?.?
So I think it is very normal for him to have that type of sermon in these times, but maybe not on mothers day?
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I am not a church goer.
I will give you an observation of what I have been seeing more of lately from all walks of life.
People are scared of what they know or think is coming. Everything from our freedom to religion is under attack by the government right now. All in an attempt to turn us into a gay loving and socialist country.
People are scared, fed up and are ready for a revolt. The ones who are fed up are willing to get their message out using any means possible. Be it from the local barber shop chair to the pulpit of a church.
Something big is coming and we all know it. To be honest. The reason I think that it has not started yet, is the years that Americans have lived with the "love thy neighbor" mentality and can not get past the thought of pulling the trigger on your next door neighbor over something that you believe in. Once Americans get over that. The country will split and the war will begin.
I agree...something is building, and it is big. As an historian, I am ashamed to say it, but it is an exciting time for me.
I believe it is the end of the world as we know it...and yep...that's pretty big.
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I am not a church goer.
I will give you an observation of what I have been seeing more of lately from all walks of life.
People are scared of what they know or think is coming. Everything from our freedom to religion is under attack by the government right now. All in an attempt to turn us into a gay loving and socialist country.
People are scared, fed up and are ready for a revolt. The ones who are fed up are willing to get their message out using any means possible. Be it from the local barber shop chair to the pulpit of a church.
Something big is coming and we all know it. To be honest. The reason I think that it has not started yet, is the years that Americans have lived with the "love thy neighbor" mentality and can not get past the thought of pulling the trigger on your next door neighbor over something that you believe in. Once Americans get over that. The country will split and the war will begin.
I agree...something is building, and it is big. As an historian, I am ashamed to say it, but it is an exciting time for me.
I believe it is the end of the world as we know it...and yep...that's pretty big.
TEOTWAWKI means a lot of different things. I am sure the Germans in 1932 thought that, and then thought the same in 1945. I am sure that the Cambodians thought that under the Khmer Rouge. Hell, your house burns down and it would be the same for most people too.
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I am not a church goer.
I will give you an observation of what I have been seeing more of lately from all walks of life.
People are scared of what they know or think is coming. Everything from our freedom to religion is under attack by the government right now. All in an attempt to turn us into a gay loving and socialist country.
People are scared, fed up and are ready for a revolt. The ones who are fed up are willing to get their message out using any means possible. Be it from the local barber shop chair to the pulpit of a church.
Something big is coming and we all know it. To be honest. The reason I think that it has not started yet, is the years that Americans have lived with the "love thy neighbor" mentality and can not get past the thought of pulling the trigger on your next door neighbor over something that you believe in. Once Americans get over that. The country will split and the war will begin.
I agree...something is building, and it is big. As an historian, I am ashamed to say it, but it is an exciting time for me.
I believe it is the end of the world as we know it...and yep...that's pretty big.
TEOTWAWKI means a lot of different things. I am sure the Germans in 1932 thought that, and then thought the same in 1945. I am sure that the Cambodians thought that under the Khmer Rouge. Hell, your house burns down and it would be the same for most people too.
The problem is, the stage had not been set in any of those times...there were still prophecies left unfilled at those times that had to take place before the very end...They have now all been fulfilled...there is nothing left that must take place (Scripturally) before the return of Christ. There has never been a time in history like our current state of affairs...and things are happening at such an exponential rate, that I don't see how we could last much longer...but who knows.?.?
They were people just like us that lived mostly at peace together until drugs tore them apart. Now it is brother against brother, neighborhood against neighborhood. They threw the "love thy neighbor" out the door and will kill for the color of a rag.
I believe that America will split and a war will be on. Just a matter of time..