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Tired of religious topics? Then read no further. If, however, you
are curious about religion, or are looking for faith, read on. There are many fake religions and there are many fakes in true religion. The basis for my religion is the King James 1611 Bible.
I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that his death on the cross
paid for my sins and saved my soul. Here are some verses that help explain salvation:
Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Roman 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Romans 10:8-10 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto rightousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Sin separates man from God. We are all sinners, because we were born with a sin nature(passed down from Adam and Eve). Jesus was sent as a sacrifice to pay for our sins. Accepting Jesus means your sins are forgiven and forgotten. You then have a new birth and are a new creature. The best part is, ANYONE can be saved! Gays, murderers,
witches, pedophiles, adulterers and even moral people can be saved.
Anyone can be saved. Jesus will save anyone who asks to be saved.
If you know in your heart that you need a new life, Jesus will give
it to you. Just call on Him, confess your sins, and ask Him to save your soul. It is that easy, and that difficult.
are curious about religion, or are looking for faith, read on. There are many fake religions and there are many fakes in true religion. The basis for my religion is the King James 1611 Bible.
I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that his death on the cross
paid for my sins and saved my soul. Here are some verses that help explain salvation:
Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"
Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Roman 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Romans 10:8-10 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto rightousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Sin separates man from God. We are all sinners, because we were born with a sin nature(passed down from Adam and Eve). Jesus was sent as a sacrifice to pay for our sins. Accepting Jesus means your sins are forgiven and forgotten. You then have a new birth and are a new creature. The best part is, ANYONE can be saved! Gays, murderers,
witches, pedophiles, adulterers and even moral people can be saved.
Anyone can be saved. Jesus will save anyone who asks to be saved.
If you know in your heart that you need a new life, Jesus will give
it to you. Just call on Him, confess your sins, and ask Him to save your soul. It is that easy, and that difficult.
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You said "Some great verses. I hope I have time to confess my sins on my death bed to get into the house of the Lord."
I agree some great verses ... other newer translations like the New International Version are easier to read but the message is the same! And the message is great. Religion is man's attempt to reach God ... the Bible teaches the other way around. The message of the Bible is God's attempt to reach man! Because of his love and grace he leaves the choice up to us!
To the second part of the above quote from squeakyc ... I say, "Why wait until you're about to die? Man, you're missing out on the action! The action of experiencing the Holy Spirit of God transforming us to become more like Jesus! Man, that is one exciting adventure!
Ken
One quick question, you said "I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that his death on the cross paid for my sins and saved my soul".
Who required payment? God? Why does he need to be paid? Or, the "devil"? I don't understand.
Thanks,
G36
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Who required payment? God? Why does he need to be paid? Or, the "devil"? I don't understand.
Thanks,
G36
Concealed G36,
I can see you are wrestling with this issue, from what you have posted.
You understand that our system of justice in this country has been called a Judeo Christian judicial system of laws which is traced back to the Laws of Moses, which were comprised of the written law (the 10 Commandments and the Ordinances) , the Ordinances where that portion of the Law of Moses which explained what had to be done to satisfy the broken law of God. The law was given to Moses by God on Mt. Sinai, (Book of Exodus.)
( Many will quote Blackstone, and English law as the foundation for Americas judicial form of laws, it matters not what is credited for our system of laws in this country; the fact is they amount to nothing more than moral laws legislated in their most basic of sense in order to produce trust in a civilized form of government. Thou shalt not Kill, Thou shalt not steal, of these of course, we have millions that have been added thruout the years. etc. See Romans chap 13.)
And in those generations when the Laws of Moses were observed in Israel, it was under the honor system and, people could also, be accused, tried and found guilty of breaking the law, they were sentenced according to the Law of Moses , if he murdered , his own life was required as God had laid down this in the law; he also established that the soul that sinneth it shall die, according to the Bible "sin is the breaking of the law".
When a man examined himself, and concluded he had broken one of God's laws he was required to bring a sacrificial offering to make an atonement for his sins at the temple , where a priest would offer up the life of this animal as an atonement for the mans sin. The entire book of Leviticus in the old testament lays down Gods law and the observation of the ordinances and any who wanted to be forgiven by God for their sin of breaking His law, had to observe the ordinances, when the sentence was satisfied the man would be restored to fellowship with GOD.
Your question ; "Who required payment?"
Is a very good question, the answer is , God the offended party (in the case of Sin), he requires payment; by the shedding of blood, the life of all flesh is in the blood, and it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. Lev 17:11.
Perfect justice requires PAYMENT. In order for justice to be served, payment for the breaking of the law must be made, complete restitution to the offended party must be made, in order to be found justified as fulfilling the judgment of the guilty.
When you are charged with an infraction (breaking of the law), if found guilty, your judgement demands payment, whether incarceration or the paying of a fine in order to satisfy the judgement, upon payment in full, you are again restored fully as a law abiding citizen. You undertsand this perfectly I trust.
As much as I hate to admit it, our country's system of justice has strayed far from the original intent and reason for laws, and that is why , we are UNABLE to see the real spirit of the law. In our country today, criminals found guilty of crimes against victims NEVER are required to make perfect and total restitution to the offended party before being considered as paying for their crimes;
in the small claims and civil courts the right to "restitution" is being observed. The offended party submits his claim for loss and the courts render their judgment based on the claim, and the offending party is not released until full payment is made..
You have heard many times that there is, "the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law"; the letter of the law is for those who obey the law, as long as the law is obeyed, that very law is our friend; however, when we break the law , that same law becomes our enemy, because it demands judgment , and when the sentence is satisfied, justice has been served, the same law that found us guilty, once again becomes our friend again so long as we keep it perfectly. The spirit of the law, is the tangible part of the judicial system that gives one who obeys the law, the garauntee that he has rights to claim and receive justice, before a JUDGE.
Such is the law of God, justice requires the shedding of the life's blood of the offending party, in the case of the breaking of Gods law; in the old testament times, Gods ordinances allowed a man who judged himself and wanted to get right with God, to bring an animal to the temple to be offered up in place of his own life as a sin offering, and God being merciful,and loving, accepted the blood of the innocent animals blood in place of the sinners; until God sent his only begotten Son, who died once and for all, as Gods own sacrificial Lamb, whose blood sacrifice is sufficient to pay for all the sins of all men, forever, as stated in Hebrews chap 10. by the death of Jesus, the ordinances in the law of Moses were abolished forever.
Because of this;
Today God is offering a pardon for SIN, that has been fully paid for by the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world, to every person willing to believe Him.
To reject such an offer, is likened to a criminal on death row rejecting the Presidents pardon on the day of his execution, where can he turn to in appealing his conviction, after he has rejected the only pardon that can save him?
The only difference here is, men who reject God today, as squeakyc says, can repent and receive him on their death bed, TOMORROW, although I believe few ever really seek him in their last days, this is why the invitation is of great urgency, today is the day of salvation, no one is guaranteed that tomorrow the sun will rise for them.
All this shows is a a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.
I know this sounds like preaching, but there is no other way to express this.
"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." (1 Cor 1:21)
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9 verse 22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission." A blood sacrifice was necessary, but animal sacrifice would not do, for the Bible says in Hebrews chapter 10 verse 4 "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." A human sacrifice was necessary, but all humans were tainted or blemished with sin and were not worthy of sacrifice. So Jesus came to earth to act as that perfect sacrifice. Because of the virgin birth, he was born sinless and thus became the mediator between man and God.
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The Hindus serve a dead master. Christ arose from the DEAD and was seen by mankind before his assention to meet the father. Did anyone record the Hindu god walk after death? Not that I'm aware of.
Not all roads lead to God so don't be fooled. False prophets exist today in our churches. When they bend to be POLITICALLY CORRECT to
gain followers they are false prophets. When they say all roads lead to God, they are false prophets. When they defend abortion and uphold the perverts in high places, they are false prophets. The Bible says in the last days they will exist and that because of Christ all who call themselves Christian will be hated of all men. Look around, read some of these post, Christians are under attack becasue they witness to the TRUTH and a sinful dying world does not want to hear the TRUTH.
I know because when I took part in all the filth this world had to offer I was miserable and hated it when I heard a preacher or family member call me to the task. Since Christ wrought a miracle and gave me a new heart with a desire for him, can't be silent when anybody talks about my Lord. Talked long enough may God bless everyone on this
thread and speak to your hearts if you don't know him.
1....Take nothing from it.
2....Add nothing to it.
3....Change nothing in it.
These 3 tools will help you avoid false cults that pretend to follow Jesus, but that distort and attempt to alter God's word. For instance, let's examine the Unification Church. This cult teaches that Jesus work on earth was not finished, that he must come again in the flesh to establish a family through marriage to his Bride. They also teach that once the human body is dissolved into dust, it cannot be resurrected. Both these teachings are false according to the Bible. Read John Chapter 19 Verse 30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." Jesus earthly work was finished. His death paid for our sins. When he returns again, it will be as described in
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 16-17 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Thus, by their own false doctrine that attempts to ADD to the work of Jesus, then trys to TAKE away the truth of resurrection, we see that the Unification church is a false
church.
We Live in a World of Give And Take, But A Lot Of People Won't Give What it Takes.
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Either Jesus was a nut, a liar or as he said.
You decide.
"...Abby someone""Abby who"..."Abby Normal"
To reject such an offer, is likened to a criminal on death row rejecting the Presidents pardon on the day of his execution, where can he turn to in appealing his conviction, after he has rejected the only pardon that can save him?"
Humans are only on 'Death Row' because god chose to fault all mankind for the sin of one couple. Wow, there's justice eh?
"The best part is, ANYONE can be saved! Gays, murderers,
witches, pedophiles, adulterers and even moral people can be saved."
So what's the purpose of being moral if ANYONE can be saved?
"Unlike the angels who have no free will we are able to choose."
Really? So if what you saying is true, Satan didn't CHOOSE evil, he was just created that way. In much the same respect, ALL humans didn't choose to be sinful, but in order to avoid an eternity of torture they have to put faith in an absent god who places them in a corrupt world full of wicked angles he created.
Ok now I'm really confused...
"When you are charged with an infraction (breaking of the law), if found guilty, your judgement demands payment, whether incarceration or the paying of a fine in order to satisfy the judgement, upon payment in full, you are again restored fully as a law abiding citizen."
"When Adam and Eve sinned, it condemned them to die. Sin separated them (and all mankind) from God. A blood sacrifice is the only acceptable atonement for sin. The Bible says in Hebrews chapter
9 verse 22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission." A blood sacrifice was necessary, but animal sacrifice would not do, for the Bible says in Hebrews chapter 10 verse 4 "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." A human sacrifice was necessary, but all humans were tainted or blemished with sin and were not worthy of sacrifice. So Jesus came to earth to act as that perfect sacrifice. Because of the virgin birth, he was born sinless and thus became the mediator between man and God. "
I was under the impression Jesus atoned for the sin spread to man through Adam. So why hasn't mankind been 'restored fully as a law abiding citizen.' (back to perfection)? Apparently Jesus sacrifice doesn't REALLY atone for Adam's sin or we wouldn't still be suffering from the wages of sin now would we? Now comes the sticky part, since Jesus' ransom sacrifice was not atonement for Adam's sin, what was the REAL reason for his sacrifice?
Don't worry about the bullet with your name on it, worry about the fragmentation grenade addressed 'To Occupant'.
and offering to pay the tab for everyone that brings their bill to him. If you don't run your bill over to his table, don't gripe when you have to pay for it yourself. No man is born innocent. We are
all born with a sin nature passed down from Adam & Eve. Jesus is the only means of cleansing our sin. Accepting Jesus as your Savior
means losing the world, but gaining eternal life with Him. It is mankind's choice to accept or reject Jesus, but all will give account of their actions. Matthew Chapter 12 verse 36-37: "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement. For by thy words thou shalt
be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
Romans Chapter 14 verse 12: "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."
Supermonkey, Stay with it, you're on the right track. When you read your Bible let God speak to your heart through it. For a lot of people read the Bible and miss it's message completely. Stalin read it but didn't apply it. Think of how things could have been if he would have applied it to his life.
I am truly amazed that God loves me and adopted me into his family forEVER ... but the obvious reason is clear ... grace ... AMAZING GRACE! It sure was nothing that I deserved.
As to Bible translations ... I used to be a big fan of the King James translation. You know ... "If it was good enough for Paul and the disciples, it is good enough for me!" It was the best translation for MANY years,
But then I grew up a bit and realized that there has been much work down since 1611 ... and some earlier manuscripts (ie. closer to the original texts) have become available more recently and most recently are the "Dead Sea Scrolls."
This is just my personal opinion, but I think that sticking with the KJ version today tends to further the error that Christianity is no longer worth looking into ... since people look into the "source book" and conclude that the message must be as out dated as the words and gramatical construction in the Bible.
And I know from years of experience that in many (not all, but many that I've been in or heard) churches that are "KJ only churches", a good part of the sermons are just an explanation of what the KJV is trying to say. Why not use something that is more easily read and move on to helping the people learn what is being said in its historical/geological context, and then help us see how the Holy Spirit would want us to apply it to our lives today.
The New King James Version came out not too long ago to try to help make it more readable (acknowledging there is a problem with using the KJV today). But the KJV only crowd is NOT buying into that either!
A friend of mine once said (in the context of a discussion of why there are so many newer translations and paraphrases - especially in English!) what we need is one MORE translation ... the translation from the page to the heart! AMEN To that!
May God bless y'al real good!
Ken
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battles over the various versions of the Bible. There's simply too much information to cover in a few paragraphs. There's a good book on the subject that interested folks should look into: "Final
Authority" by William Grady. It should be available in any Christian bookstore. Also, "The NIV Infection" by Pastor Dewey Williams gives side by side comparisons of the 1611 King James version to the NIV version. He gives easily understood references to the true Bible versus the fakes that have arrived lately. When viewed in this manner, it quickly becomes apparent that the NIV frequently removes references to Jesus, God and Lord. Interested parties may contact Pastor Williams at: 619 Wagner Road, Bristol, VA 24201 or call 1-703-669-4023. One of the great deceptions of the NIV is to delete references to hell. According to Williams, in the NIV "hell" is changed to "death" 6 times, to "the grave" 22 times, to "the depths"
3 times and to "hades" 5 times. Apparently someone doesn't want people to be warned of the dangers of hell!
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To the question: "What did the King James Version" leave out of the Bible?" Probably nothing. Nothing ... unless you consider the Apocrypha part of the Bible. Most Roman Catholics do include it, but even they note that it is in a separate category in terms of its divine inspiration.
The first council of the Church that dealt with the question of Biblical cannon (what should really be in the Bible? And what writings do we have that are not inspired by God?) chose not to include the Apocrypha. A later council of the Church decide to re-include it, but clearly noted that it does have some questions about its inspiration.
God bless! Wise men still seek Him!
Ken
do my best to answer. By the way, did you ever figure out who you
worship? You seem ashamed to mention a name.
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as for as the person posting that it sound like we are lonly etc it isnt this at all. we would just like to share our joy and salvation with those that dont know the joy and happines of knowing the lord with others less fortunate.
I HOPE YOU ALL WILL CONSIDER JESUS INVITATION TO JOIN HIM!!!!!
It is recorded in Matthew 6:9-13 or to see it in the context of the discussion on prayer, you might want to read the whole chapter or at least verse 1 to 15.
In the New International Version the phrase at the end of the prayer (For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. AMEN) is NOT included, but there is a footnote saying that "it is NOT in the earlier manuscripts." In all likelihood it was probably added later on by a monk faithfully recopying the gospel and he thought it would be a fitting conclusion to the prayer. Most Christians would probably agree with that and in fact pray it regularly. (Keep in mind that this was before photocopiers and printing presses.)
In the New American Standard this phrase IS INCLUDED but within brackets with a note that says "This clause was omitted in the earliest manuscripts." (ie. it was not there in the earlier manuscripts which are NOW available.)
In most all Bibles that are considered Roman Catholic translations this phrase is NOT included. Let's take the New Revised Standard Version as an example. The phrase is NOT included in the text, but there is a footnote saying "Other ancient authorities add in some form "For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours forever. Amen"
It is interesting to note in Roman Catholic circles that when this prayer is used, the concluding phrase "For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours forever. Amen" is NEVER used WITH the rest of the prayer. Some other things are included and then this phrase is used in conclusion ... then some more words and then the "Amen."
In case you do not have your 1611 King James Version right handy ... the concluding phrase ("For the kingdom and the power and the glory are yours forever. Amen") is used without note or comment.
Who is right? Probably the Roman Catholics ... and some would say, "it was THEIR Monk who added it." Shame on him! But since it was well before what is now known as "The Reformation," it really was our monk.
Which is the most faithful and accurate translation to what was originally said? I'll encourage you to decide. Probably, I would put them in this order: NIV Bible , NAS Bible and the New RSV Bible ... then on down the line, the KJV. They are all Bible ... take your pick ... use it and ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom, strength and courage to apply it in our lives today.
Does it matter all that much? Well, to some it might be important, but I really do not think so!
Could I conclude by encouraging us all to just Keep on Praying! God will hear and answer in a way that will bring glory to his name and good to his people.
And with that, I promise to say no more on this subject ... and they all said AMEN!
Ken
"translates" these verses: "As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why
shouldn't I be baptized?" The NIV is not a better translation, it clearly trys to remove a reference to Jesus Christ as the Son of God.
Look at Mark Chapter 6 verse 11 in the 1611 King James: "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence,
shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgement, than for that city." Now read the NIV account: "And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake offf the dust of your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them." Not only did the NIV have trouble with translating Sodom and Gomorrah (simple names of cities)but also completely fail
to mention the day of judgement. If the NIV avoids mention
that Jesus is the Son of God, or that the day of judgement is coming
then it is a false bible. The 1611 King James says in 1 John chapter 4 verse 1-3: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." Beware false bibles, false religions and false teachers!
I said (actually, I promised) I would say no more, but I could not keep from setting the record straight. My dear Brother thunderbolt, the VERY passage you mention in Acts 8:37 is one more example of what I have already said ... this verse was not in the earlier manuscripts. Therefore it must have been added by some well meaning person later on. It was not written by Luke or we would find it in the earlier manuscripts.
I'm not saying it is wrong, but it was not written by the recognized author, Dr. Luke. The earlier manuscripts were not available in 1611 so they (the King James translators)did not know better. Now we do, or should I say some of us do! But let me encourage you (actually, all of us) to keep reading, studying and applying the Bible in our lives ... that's what I believe the Lord would have us all do! God bless y'al real good!
And this time I am going to keep my promise! (I'm not sure why you would believe me after not being faithful last time ... pray for me ... I need it!)
Ken
I would encourage a new Christian to go with the KJ. I am drifting back to it but if all that's available is the NIV for whatever reason, read it. When you read it asked God to help you with it. He will open up a whole new world through scripture.