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gunphreak
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In this country, we are under the dark shroud of Victim Disarmament laws that include magazines not exceeding 10 rounds each, and semiautomatic rifles under extreme limitation.
I've heard people before say, "Why do you need so many bullets... it would only take me one."
Don't be too sure of that. An armed criminal with the intention of killing you is NOT like a paper target you shoot at during leizure-time. There are other things to deal with that are both stressful and random, such as cover, light conditions, the fact that you're dealing with a moving target, and an armed one that may undoubtedly shoot at you. One thing you don't want to have to do is reload during this type of situation. I would rather load up 18 9mm's and take care of business the best way I can. Better to have to many than not enough.
Something else. I've heard numerous people, including many on this board say, "A machine gun should only be used by law enforcement and military personnel." OK.... granted, a machine gun should not be used to hunt with, but now, lets give someone this situation. In 1-on-1 combat, one has to pull the trigger fast enough to hit his target before he gets himself shot. Now, let's look at the possibility of multiple armed criminals. When dealing with one, there is the chance they will run, meaning the confrontation is over. When there are several, and they know full well you are outgunned, they may instead attack. Can you pull a semiautomatic's trigger fast enough to shoot 6 people? Don't be simple. A machine gun, on the other hand, can achieve this.
Now, let's summarize this up for one more thought. You are the victim. The police are seldom there to save you, and it is not their job to protect you. When they encounter a hostile situation, they have body armor, whereby, chances are, you don't. They have hi-capacity mags in their weapons, whereby, you are not supposed to, and they can call for back-up, while you stand alone. They can call so many people to the scene of an extremely hostile situation, surrender is imminent. These two things are the only two things that make you stand out as a defense force, and they are not condoned by our local, state or federal government. I cannot empathize with these kind of victim disarmament laws. They are only subtle version of gun control in Nazi Germany, plain and simple.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Jesus Christ believed in the right to keep and bear arms, Luke 22:36.
-Gunphreak
I've heard people before say, "Why do you need so many bullets... it would only take me one."
Don't be too sure of that. An armed criminal with the intention of killing you is NOT like a paper target you shoot at during leizure-time. There are other things to deal with that are both stressful and random, such as cover, light conditions, the fact that you're dealing with a moving target, and an armed one that may undoubtedly shoot at you. One thing you don't want to have to do is reload during this type of situation. I would rather load up 18 9mm's and take care of business the best way I can. Better to have to many than not enough.
Something else. I've heard numerous people, including many on this board say, "A machine gun should only be used by law enforcement and military personnel." OK.... granted, a machine gun should not be used to hunt with, but now, lets give someone this situation. In 1-on-1 combat, one has to pull the trigger fast enough to hit his target before he gets himself shot. Now, let's look at the possibility of multiple armed criminals. When dealing with one, there is the chance they will run, meaning the confrontation is over. When there are several, and they know full well you are outgunned, they may instead attack. Can you pull a semiautomatic's trigger fast enough to shoot 6 people? Don't be simple. A machine gun, on the other hand, can achieve this.
Now, let's summarize this up for one more thought. You are the victim. The police are seldom there to save you, and it is not their job to protect you. When they encounter a hostile situation, they have body armor, whereby, chances are, you don't. They have hi-capacity mags in their weapons, whereby, you are not supposed to, and they can call for back-up, while you stand alone. They can call so many people to the scene of an extremely hostile situation, surrender is imminent. These two things are the only two things that make you stand out as a defense force, and they are not condoned by our local, state or federal government. I cannot empathize with these kind of victim disarmament laws. They are only subtle version of gun control in Nazi Germany, plain and simple.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Jesus Christ believed in the right to keep and bear arms, Luke 22:36.
-Gunphreak
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Death to Tyrants!!!
Jesus Christ believed in the right to keep and bear arms, Luke 22:36.
-Gunphreak
The structure is set, you never change it with a ballot poll.
Give me my rights,
liberty and freedom, or give me some time to stock up on ammo.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
The structure is set, you never change it with a ballot poll.
Give me my rights,
liberty and freedom, or give me some time to stock up on ammo.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Well we need to spread the word and get some young polliticians.
I will stand and fight for my freedom.
But I'd reather just keep my god givin right to defend myself without having to die for it.
I'd like to quote an INSPARATIONAL freedom fighter and a man who should be running for high office. Zack De La Rocha
"Standing in line, beliveing he lies, bowing down to the flag, you got a bullet in your head." "Cuz all these punks got bullets in their head's, departments of police (and other agenceys) the judges, the feds!
"DONT FREEZE WHEN ZERO HOUR COMES!" -Zack De La Rocha
Something much be done, about vengance a badge and a gun, SO i'll rip the Mic, rip the stage, RIP THE SYSTEM. I was born to rage against them, NOW ACTION MUCT BE TAKEN, we dont need the key we'll break in.........I got no patiance now, so SICK of complacance now, so sick of, sick of, sick of.....YOU...THAT TIME HAs COM TO PAY!
Just some lyrics that have been inspiring me for years.
The structure is set, you never change it with a ballot poll.
Give me my rights,
liberty and freedom, or give me some time to stock up on ammo.
Ban guns... make the streets safe for a political take over!!!
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
I'm fighting the battle in California with an attorney here, tiz all we can do until the oil stops flowing.
Let's change the laws and quit bickering about them. One man CAN change the status quo.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
if they don't want us to have guns for self defense, what do they want us to have?
"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe."
Luke 11:21
if they don't want us to have guns for self defense, what do they want us to have?
if they don't want us to have guns for self defense, what do they want us to have?
As for loss of support, gun rights are not supposed to be voted on, so that 19 out of 20 that doesn't like it, too bad!!!
In some states, owning them is fully legal, but at the same time, should be NO bans on their manufacture, and registration is a claim of guilt until innocence is proved.... and even then you're guilty, and completely screwed.
Better to have more than enough than not enough.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
As for loss of support, gun rights are not supposed to be voted on, so that 19 out of 20 that doesn't like it, too bad!!!
In some states, owning them is fully legal, but at the same time, should be NO bans on their manufacture, and registration is a claim of guilt until innocence is proved.... and even then you're guilty, and completely screwed.
Better to have more than enough than not enough.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Megan's laws require repeat sex offenders to report to local authorities before moving into a neighborhood and REGISTER with them upon arrival.
Replace "Megan" with "Brady", "repeat sex offenders" with "prospective gun owners", "local authorities" with "FBI or ATF" (quite a step up from local authorities, I might add), "moving into a neighborhood" with "purchasing a firearm", and "arrival" with "purchase". This is what we get.
Brady's laws require prospective gun owners to report to the FBI or ATF before purchasing a firearm and REGISTER with them upon purchase.
That scheme makes all gun owners criminalized and demonized just for exercising a right. But here's the truth. They are the demons.
You want a Megan law that works. A law that requires repeat sex offenders to check into the morgue will be a good way to start that one off.
At the same time, you want gun legislation that works... repeal them all!!!
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
if they don't want us to have guns for self defense, what do they want us to have?
Hey fox, they want you to have a cell phone for defense. Call 911, and then call for a pizza and see which one gets there first.
I don't dial 911.
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Look at what is being proposed at www.freestateproject.org and www.evote.com. Your thoughts?
Look at what is being proposed at www.freestateproject.org and www.evote.com. Your thoughts?
if they don't want us to have guns for self defense, what do they want us to have?
if they don't want us to have guns for self defense, what do they want us to have?
The last one that told me that, I responded, "So that means that you will be there to stop them??" He replied, "I can't guarantee it."
Then I responded, and I can quote."Then you do what you have to do, I'll do what I have to do, and you can clean their sorry * off the kitchen when I send him to Hell."
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Ronnie G. Perkins
I agree with everything that has been brought up so far on this discussion, and I agree that citizens have the right to the same equipment as law enforcement. We must remember that police are citizens too, and if our rights to certain firearms are taken away, their's might be next. For instance, if people like Sarah Brady had their way, the police would hear something like this, "Well, we have successfully disarmed the public (aka left them defenseless), and since you don't have to worry about being shot at, we want your guns too." then it's too late, and the entire society is in danger. We must keep on keeping on. We have the right to peacably assemble, and the right of a readress of grievances against the government. The key is to do it the right way, and keep fighting it in the legislation.
It is also interesting to see that all of the countries that enacted registration laws are also now the countries that have illegalized and confiscated firearms from the public. That is almost unfailingly the first step to confiscation. The argument that the government needs to know who has weapons to keep them in check is erronous. According to Prof. John Lott ("More Guns, Less Crime), only one CCW permit holder has ever been brought up on firearms related charges, and he was found to be just because it was self-defense. There is no true account of that would lead us to believe that the government's regulation of firearms (Brady Bill etc.) makes us any more safe, in fact, the evidence tells the opposite of that.
Also, there was already legislation in effect that made it illegal for the guy who shot Mrs. Brady's family to have a firearm there. While I am sorry for the Brady family, more legislation is irrelevant, and counter-productive. If that legislation had not been in effect, then it's very likely that a law-abiding citizen may have been able to effectively end that situation. They don't want you to think and know that though, because that makes you a threat to their political agendas. If we lay down, and let them continue on the road they are going, we will end up just like every other 3rd World, unarmed, defenseless, crime-ridden, no rights or liberties, dictatorial society. We need to see the systematic attempt to disarm our country, which was only able to become it's own country because of the dedication of patriots, and the arms they were able to secure.
We must remain civil, so we keep validity, truth, and right on our side, to re-enforce our side of the debate. I am a die hard advocate of the 2nd amendment, and I will stand my that as long as I live. God bless, and pass the ammo.
"No free man will be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson
Can you not hear their argument? "Patroling the border cost, we could eliminate the NIS alltogether, we would have Mexican Oil at our disposal, we could better control Drugs coming into the country". Let the SPIN DOCTORS get together and most Americans can be sold the concept with little or no effort.
Does anyone recall the United States Senators having shares in the National Fruit Company? Sending the CIA too bomb Costa Rica with old prop planes painted with Honduras markings? (of course we stepped in to save the day). Is anyone aware of the "Social Security" our Elected Leaders, elected to vote for themselves? Want to know why it would be so convienant to disarm the American People (in the guise of doing us a service)? Why was 58,000 dead in Vietnam (where are the MIAS?) a "Not So Big Deal", while one Press Secretary shot is? Who supported the Shah of Iran against the Iranian People, then inturn supported the Iraqis against the Iranians, and now would support the Iranians against the Iraqis? Wasn't it the same Government that supported Noriega at Panama, that supported Marcos in the Phillipines, the same country that supported Bin Laden in Afganistan? In my HUMBLE OPINION: The Patriot American had better wake up and smell the coffee. Have YOU done all within your power to lift and support your country, to rectify wrongs, or is the Super Bowl higher on your priorty list? This Country is in Dire need of a rebirth and under the same Constitution that gave it birth in the first place. Keep playing under the Illusion of Freedom until you can no longer maintain the Illusion.
Ronnie G. Perkins
I found that one of the best ways to properly educate people on this issue is really to take them out, teach them the responsibility of firearms, then let them shoot. I completely support the 2nd, and I am a CC Permit holder. I have several students at my college, as well as some staff who have asked me, after many debates with them, how to shoot. Many of them had bought into the PC bullcrap from the media about how guns are bad, and how we need to get rid of them. After sharing some facts with them, and establishing the truth, they eagerly want to learn how to shoot. While a couple of them only want to learn for target practice, many of them want to learn for the purpose of self-defense. It seems to me that everyone that I have talked to about this issue has come to agree with me that not only are guns NOT INHERENTLY bad, but that they have and do play a large positive role in our society.
Of course that is a good argument, and I would fully be behind you on that. When are we as a populace going to learn???
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Humanity goes backward as fast as it goes forward, for every lesson learned, there appears to be something Important and Basic forgotten. The Basic Human Physique hasn't changed since man crawled out of the cave. SQUARE 1 = Only the strong survive (and being prepared doesn't seem to hurt either).
This is not the first time in History when the Higharchy attempts to disarm the "People", and in the guise of doing them a favor. Greed and the Want of Power has little to do with Religion (yet these Mongers are the first to put on the cloak of religion)while the Enforcers will state "We are only doing our job". Trust; I am not preaching Disention, if anything I would teach History, Metamorphosis, and Apathy. Wasn't it Adolf Hitler that said "Lucky the Goverment when it's People don't pay attention"?
The right (and obligation)to protect oneself and it's own, belongs to every living organizm on Plant Earth, why should Hard Working , Honest men and women not be afforded the same consideration as the lowest life form in the Universe? Let the Gullible lay down and roll over, as for me: "Give me Liberty or Give me Death".
Ronnie G. Perkins
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
Ronnie G. Perkins
rusty1
You want gun control that works? Limiting manufacture only hurts businesses, and banning stuff makes things unbearable for those same countries. Making a million restrictions only creates criminals out of people not inclined nor determined to commit crimes. There is only one way. Repeal it all and leave the prospect of responsibilities to the owners. Thus, if you cannot show responsibility, the new prospect of justice will confront you, possibly at the price of death.
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than all my guns combined (0)
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
HAVE A NICE DAY AND MAY GOD BLESS US ALL
rusty1
When the CHIT hits the SHAN, watch the Liberals cry FOUL, (for how much good that will do). Next! they will ahcome knocking at who's door? Like the "Three Little Pigs". I personally refuse to build my future or my family's future from Straw. Time and the Study of History, plus Psycology, has taught lessons that (for some Stoopid Reason) must be re-learned? Rusty is merely Laboring under a Mis-conception, not very well studdied and very objective, (but means well). As my Ol Momma used to say: "The path to hell is paved with good intentions", I would add; "Action speaks louder than words". I will leave Rusty with this quote and one I adhere to, "I am as desirious of being a good Citizen as I am of being Bad Subject".
Ronnie G. Perkins
Why should I have to pay and register to own Class III things? That is clearly violations of the 2nd and 4th Amendments. I should neither have to pay for things and pay premium prices due to availability because they cannot be produced anymore. That is just plain BS.
But as if I thought I heard something intelligent, it seemed to come completely by accident. The Government wants us to be armed (wrong), but not so armed we pose a threat to them. Of course they don't want us to be able to do anything about their oppressive rule. The 2nd Amendment was put in place as a check and balance for the people to hold the government in check when they step out of line more than anything else. The Constitution was created by people who distrusted big government. Has it become obvious as to why, yet???
Death to Tyrants!!!
Those who would offer any interpretation that would relegate Amendment II to "relic" status of a bygone era are blatantly stating that the remainder of the Bill of Rights isn't worth a damn, either.
Luke 22:36.
rusty1