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This is really beginning to piss me off!!!!
Comengetit
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I realize we've been dealing with this for quite some time now and up until now I just kind of accepted it and rolled with it. I wouldn't really say accepted, but more or less didn't let it make me too angry. Now, I've gone over the top, I can't take this snit anymore. Last night before I went to bed I was thumbing through the "Shotgun News" and came across a story about the FN FiveseveN pistol. It sounded pretty cool so I decided to look it up on the internet and maybe buy one. My search sent me to "Impact Guns", I had no trouble finding the gun. What I would see would make my blood boil.
Right in front of my face, in living color was a reality check. This is a handgun with nothing "mean" looking about it. As I had read the article I knew there were some issues in Kalifornia and I tend to look past those simply because Kalifornia is a messed up place anyway. As I was skimming over the gun on the internet site, I began to see a particular word coming up pretty regularly; "Restricted"! I thought to myself, nah, this can't be. Yep, sure enough when I read the fine print most of the different style of 5 7 are restricet to "Law enforcement only". This really had me going then on the same page were listings for ammo. You got it, six different loads for the FN 5-7 and only ONE was available to, as they put it, "civilian legal". There was likewise only one FN FiveseveN model available as, "civilian legal". I was so pissed off at how the GG's have gotten away with this poop I felt like going postal.
I decided to calm down and go back to my magazine. I'm flipping through the pages still a little hot when I come across machine gun kits. Now I've seen and read these ads many times but never while in this state of mind. I suddenly realize that these gentlemans are taking a perfectly good weapon, more like a piece of art and history and the are torch cutting the receivers as to make them unworkable. When I really thought about the message in that, I lost it. It took my wife an hour to calm me down. I haven't been this angry in my entire life and I have been angry before let me tell yah. I picture these gentlemans with a blow torch smiling as they cut and I want to explode. Someone please explain this logic to me; there are 185,000 legal machine guns out there right now, what is the difference between my select-fire M16A1 and any of the weapons they are torch cutting. When they were manufactured. That is so stupid it defies all logic. How in God's name have they been allowed to do this.
Are we that stupid that we would just let them do this. Now I'm talking 1934, 1968, 1986 and the list goes on. I've had it. What are the gun lobbyists doing? Is anyone making an argument? If so, what kind of lame brain approach are they taking? This is a no brainer, you can't say that these are OK and those are not simply because of a date. Look they acknowledged the second amendment when they made the 1934 NFA. Just in making it, alone, that should have been shot down as argumentative and unconstitutional. The only reason we still have any of these bullsnit laws is because two people didn't show up to court in 1939. The prosecution was able to present, openly knowing, lies to the court to make his case knowing full well that this ruling could affect their precious NFA. They lied in the Supreme Court and there was nobody there to argue his statements so the courts had no choice but to rule in favor of the prosecution. Incidentally, the two men were never heard from again. NOW COME ON, DO YOU HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO KNOW THIS STINKS?
They killed those two guys to keep their precious NFA in force and get a ruling against the second amendment. Remember this was during a time when the government was taking our right to choice away concerning alcohol. Elliott Ness and otherts were passionate about getting guns out of the hands of citizens. They probably figured, if they could get all the guns from the citizens then they could slowly get the rest from the mob. Of course this plan sucked and failed. Something needs to be done and now! The NRA and others have got to be held accountable for their inaction. This is not a difficult legal case to present, they won't have it presented. They are as corrupt as the government. Hey, let's face it, those guys are making bank while hobknobbing with the Elites on our dime. NO MORE!!!!!!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Just a side note: Do you remember back in 2002 just after the beginning of the year they found a huge weapons stash here in Arizona? It made national news. The BATFE claimed that
the weapons belonged to a terrorist network. Bullsnit they did, they belonged to guys like us and man were they ready. Rocket launchers, grenades, M60's, thousands of rounds, anti-tank guns, claymore mines, night vision, .50BMG sniper rifles, dozens of full-auto M16A2's, and more. These guys were a direct threat to our governments ability to carry out their objectives and they used the Patriot Act to bust them. I sure would like to have had their stash. I believe I could find a use for it down the line.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Right in front of my face, in living color was a reality check. This is a handgun with nothing "mean" looking about it. As I had read the article I knew there were some issues in Kalifornia and I tend to look past those simply because Kalifornia is a messed up place anyway. As I was skimming over the gun on the internet site, I began to see a particular word coming up pretty regularly; "Restricted"! I thought to myself, nah, this can't be. Yep, sure enough when I read the fine print most of the different style of 5 7 are restricet to "Law enforcement only". This really had me going then on the same page were listings for ammo. You got it, six different loads for the FN 5-7 and only ONE was available to, as they put it, "civilian legal". There was likewise only one FN FiveseveN model available as, "civilian legal". I was so pissed off at how the GG's have gotten away with this poop I felt like going postal.
I decided to calm down and go back to my magazine. I'm flipping through the pages still a little hot when I come across machine gun kits. Now I've seen and read these ads many times but never while in this state of mind. I suddenly realize that these gentlemans are taking a perfectly good weapon, more like a piece of art and history and the are torch cutting the receivers as to make them unworkable. When I really thought about the message in that, I lost it. It took my wife an hour to calm me down. I haven't been this angry in my entire life and I have been angry before let me tell yah. I picture these gentlemans with a blow torch smiling as they cut and I want to explode. Someone please explain this logic to me; there are 185,000 legal machine guns out there right now, what is the difference between my select-fire M16A1 and any of the weapons they are torch cutting. When they were manufactured. That is so stupid it defies all logic. How in God's name have they been allowed to do this.
Are we that stupid that we would just let them do this. Now I'm talking 1934, 1968, 1986 and the list goes on. I've had it. What are the gun lobbyists doing? Is anyone making an argument? If so, what kind of lame brain approach are they taking? This is a no brainer, you can't say that these are OK and those are not simply because of a date. Look they acknowledged the second amendment when they made the 1934 NFA. Just in making it, alone, that should have been shot down as argumentative and unconstitutional. The only reason we still have any of these bullsnit laws is because two people didn't show up to court in 1939. The prosecution was able to present, openly knowing, lies to the court to make his case knowing full well that this ruling could affect their precious NFA. They lied in the Supreme Court and there was nobody there to argue his statements so the courts had no choice but to rule in favor of the prosecution. Incidentally, the two men were never heard from again. NOW COME ON, DO YOU HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO KNOW THIS STINKS?
They killed those two guys to keep their precious NFA in force and get a ruling against the second amendment. Remember this was during a time when the government was taking our right to choice away concerning alcohol. Elliott Ness and otherts were passionate about getting guns out of the hands of citizens. They probably figured, if they could get all the guns from the citizens then they could slowly get the rest from the mob. Of course this plan sucked and failed. Something needs to be done and now! The NRA and others have got to be held accountable for their inaction. This is not a difficult legal case to present, they won't have it presented. They are as corrupt as the government. Hey, let's face it, those guys are making bank while hobknobbing with the Elites on our dime. NO MORE!!!!!!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]
Just a side note: Do you remember back in 2002 just after the beginning of the year they found a huge weapons stash here in Arizona? It made national news. The BATFE claimed that
the weapons belonged to a terrorist network. Bullsnit they did, they belonged to guys like us and man were they ready. Rocket launchers, grenades, M60's, thousands of rounds, anti-tank guns, claymore mines, night vision, .50BMG sniper rifles, dozens of full-auto M16A2's, and more. These guys were a direct threat to our governments ability to carry out their objectives and they used the Patriot Act to bust them. I sure would like to have had their stash. I believe I could find a use for it down the line.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
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Land of tyranny..inhabited by snivling cowards, too afraid to even give out with a rant such as yours.
You, friend, are rapidly advancing to my position. That position being simply...WE LIVE UNDER TYRANNY.
Step back...DEMAND from the slimy politicians a total gun ban. Let us see if there are enough men left in this emascalated land to restore freedom.
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There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Now, armed with this information, what can be done about it? You already tried one avenue, which didn't receive much of a following, sad to say. [V]
P.S. Be warned, This forum is rated PG-13. Putting a couple of these ** in a "certain word" will be edited. Continued use will......well.......
Please find another way to express yourself.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Friends help you move. REAL friends help you move BODIES!
I cannot advance any ideas to help your program. I have been involved in this since 1968...perhaps 25 years ago there was a chance to do it thru peaceful means.
Today...the shear weight of the brain dead masses in this country ensure no redress thru the courts/legislatures/media...nor the highest office in the land.There is no outcry over a court finding that gun rights only apply to the government...and the garbage on top merely cheers at the finding...
There will be be a steady erosion of ALL rights...gun rights will vanish just as fast as the NRA and the Jack-boots can engineer it without open conflict.
The only hope I can see is to encourage the elites to pass laws faster then the fat, dumb, beer swilling 'citizens' can swallow. DEMAND that they pass gun bans...the more the better.
Comengetit;
I cannot advance any ideas to help your program. I have been involved in this since 1968...perhaps 25 years ago there was a chance to do it thru peaceful means.
Today...the shear weight of the brain dead masses in this country ensure no redress thru the courts/legislatures/media...nor the highest office in the land.There is no outcry over a court finding that gun rights only apply to the government...and the garbage on top merely cheers at the finding...
There will be be a steady erosion of ALL rights...gun rights will vanish just as fast as the NRA and the Jack-boots can engineer it without open conflict.
The only hope I can see is to encourage the elites to pass laws faster then the fat, dumb, beer swilling 'citizens' can swallow. DEMAND that they pass gun bans...the more the better.
I'm still on your page highball, but I don't think the NRA should get off that easy. They've got to be made to make an effort and an effort to win not to just appear to bve doing something and settling for the give and take.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Molon Labe
Some have said that we should not bring this issue before the supreme court, because the sitting members of this court may not rule in our favor. There may be some merit in this. Keep in mind that there has been a "change of guard" lately. With the "new" members, comes the unknown. I would ask, what better time would there be, in the foreseeable future?
Others say we need "just the right case" for them to hear.
A valid point.
As I see it, the major hurtle is still in the following quote from the Supreme Court Rules.
quote:PART III. JURISDICTION ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI
Rule 10.
Considerations Governing Review on Certiorari
Review on a writ of certiorari is not a matter of right, but
of judicial discretion.
After spending countless legal hours, millions of dollars, over an extended period of time, etc. The court still does NOT have to hear a case. It is up to their discretion.
They simply DO NOT HAVE TO.
Never-mind the LARGE portion of the sheeple, who through years (generations) of brainwashing, would want the decision to go against us. Do you really think that the supreme court would voluntarily take on a case that has the potential of wiping out 20-30-40,000 gun laws (however many there is) that are currently on the books? Knowing full well that people have spent their LIVES (or portions of it) in prison, sentenced under these very laws. The backlash would be unimaginable.
Comengetit,
You ask for ideas from members here.
I'm open to suggestions too.
The gene pool needs chlorine.
If anyone tries to argue this point with you just direct them to this web-site or tak a print-out of it and it will shut them up.
http://justice.doj.ca.gov/safeguns/safeguns_new.taf
As for the 10 round limit mags on the FN pistol; GB I saw a few days ago some guy had it, and today I saw that CDNN company of texas has some. You might want to check it out.
On a side note as I'm aware there are six types of ammo for the FN pistol; only two of which are illegal to posses. Those two types are the AP rounds and can not be obtained by civilians anyways. The other four are 100% legal unlike what those BS liberals are telling everyone.
Hope this has been helpful.
" Those who give up a little freedom for temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security "
- Benjamin Franklin
Although you appear to be right and my information on the FN 57 was incorrect, it still doesn't change the fact that we are even discussing it and the machine gun issue, don't get me started again, I just calmed down from last night.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn_fiveseven.html
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=38660410
How discouraging is this page ^? Read the fine print on the IOM and did you notice there is only one ammo we can buy listed?
I think I'm going to buy the IOM off of GB and get as much of that ammo I can't have. Why, because they said I can't have it.[:(!][B)][:(]
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives
Washington, DC 20226
CHANGES IN FEDERAL LAW AS OF SEPTEMBER 13, 2004
RELATING TO SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS (SAWs)
AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES (LCAFDs)
GENERAL
As of September 13, 2004, the provisions of Public Law 103-322, the Violent Crime Control and
Law Enforcement Act of 1994, covering semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity
ammunition feeding devices are no longer in effect. The regulations implementing these
provisions also are no longer in effect.
Specifically, there is no longer a Federal prohibition on the manufacture, transfer, and possession
of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
There are no longer any marking requirements for semiautomatic assault weapons and large
capacity ammunition feeding devices. Existing markings on firearms and magazines relating to
law enforcement or government use may be disregarded.
There is no longer any Federal requirement for Federal firearms licensees to obtain certain
documentation before transferring semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity
ammunition feeding devices to government agencies or law enforcement officers. However,
any records obtained prior to September 13, 1994, pertaining to the sale or transfer of
semiautomatic assault weapons must still be retained for a period of 5 years. See 27 CFR ?
478.129(f). Moreover, records of importation and manufacture must be maintained permanently
and licensees must maintain all other acquisition and disposition records for 20 years.
Licensees who provided letters of future intent to sell semiautomatic assault weapons and large
capacity ammunition feeding devices to law enforcement agencies and other qualified customers
are no longer obligated to comply with such letters.
Anyone who illegally possessed, manufactured, or transferred semiautomatic assault weapons or
large capacity ammunition feeding devices before the bans sunset still have violated the law
since their possession, manufacture, or transfer was illegal at the time.
IMPORTATION
The prohibition on the importation of non-sporting firearms under 18 U.S.C. section 922(l) and
925(d)(3) still applies.
Importation of large capacity ammunition feeding devices still is covered under the Arms Export
Control Act. Therefore an approved permit still is required to import large capacity magazines.
Temporary importation of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity magazines is now
lawful under the provisions of 27 CFR ? 478.115(d) because temporary importations are not
subject to the sporting purpose test.
Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to the
assault weapon ban should comply with the restriction because the weapons most likely are nonsporting.
Any importer who has a valid approved Form 6 import permit with a restriction related to large
capacity ammunition feeding devices may disregard the restriction. Importers may apply for a
new permit if they prefer.
ASSEMBLY OF NON-SPORTING SHOTGUNS AND SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES
FROM IMPORTED PARTS
The prohibition on assembly of non-sporting shotguns and semiautomatic rifles from imported
parts as provided under 18 U.S.C. ? 922(r) and 27 CFR ? 478.39 still applies.
SENTENCING ENHANCEMENTS
The sentencing enhancements for using semiautomatic assault weapons in a crime of violence or
drug trafficking crime no longer are in effect. Similarly, the sentencing enhancements for
semiautomatic assault weapons in the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines no longer are in effect.
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS
Law enforcement officers and police departments who obtained semiautomatic assault weapons
are no longer required to use such firearms only for official use.
Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer semiautomatic assault
weapons to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.
Law enforcement officers and police departments may now sell or transfer large capacity
ammunition feeding devices to anybody.
Signed statements that semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding
devices will be used for official use are no longer required to be provided to Federal firearms
licensees.
RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
Federal law does not prohibit retiring law enforcement officers from keeping semiautomatic
assault weapons or large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
Former law enforcement officers who received semiautomatic assault weapons on retirement
may now transfer those firearms to persons who are not prohibited from receiving firearms.
Transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices is no longer restricted.
NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT
All provisions of the National Firearms Act relating to registration and transfer of machineguns,
short barreled rifles, weapons made from rifles, short barreled shotguns, weapons made from
shotguns, any other weapons as defined in Title 26 U.S.C. section 5845(e), silencers, and
destructive devices still apply.
Registered silencers can now be attached to semiautomatic rifles and pistols without creating a
prohibited semiautomatic assault weapon.
USAS-12 and Striker12/Streetsweeper shotguns are still classified as destructive devices under
ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2 and must be possessed and transferred in accordance with the NFA.
EFFECT ON STATE LAW
Expiration of the Federal law will not change any provisions of State law or local ordinances.
Questions concerning State assault weapons restrictions should be referred to State and local
authorities.
quote:Do you really think that the supreme court would voluntarily take on a case that has the potential of wiping out 20-30-40,000 gun laws (however many there is) that are currently on the books? Knowing full well that people have spent their LIVES (or portions of it) in prison, sentenced under these very laws. The backlash would be unimaginable.
As you can see they managed to rescind this law and still maintain their prisoners, I suspect it would work the same way.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
comengetit -
I will support you in the cause any way I can, but I think Highball has it right in the line of 95 percent of the
"sheeple" are just that, they don't care one way or the other about ANY of their rights, let alone gun rights in which we speak.
As long as Oprah, WWF, internet porn, soap operas, and cheap beer are readily available, and these "sheeple" maintain whatever standard of exisitance (I will not say living, because they are not in my book) they now have, dynamite would not blast them out of their trance.
"Mongo only pawn in game of life"
Thanks for the support, what if the sheeple were shown the truth and what it really means to them and their freedoms? If I were to tell someone that they were already a slave and have been for 63 years, and proved it to them, would they then listen? I think the whole enchilada needs to be presented in a format that they understand...a movie. It will work if done right, remember how pissed you were at the end of The Raiders of the Lost Ark when they showed the government warehouse full of artifacts that will never be on display. If you can turn it into an entertaining Doomsday Film, it will work.
This I will fly until JOEY returns!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Quikdraw- you've got casting. You'll kind of have to know what the story line will be.
This I will fly until JOEY returns!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
In his dying days, Ben Franklin builds a time machine and a group of Founding Fathers are transported into the present day. They are utterly saddened and disappointed by what America has become. They are immediately arrested for some minor violation (maybe one is carrying a loaded black powder pistol on his belt in the middle of Philadelphia!), except for one of them is able to get away. He somehow encounters a modern group of Patriots (maybe wanders into a John Birch office or something), and they take him in and believe his story. The small band of modern patriots then begin to formulate a plan to spring the others.
Meanwhile, after questioning, Fedgov agents are notified about the other group of Founding Fathers that are in custody because they have "terrorist" ideals. You can see where that is going.
Anyway, the point is for the modern Patriots to free the Founding Fathers so they can get back to their time, all along the Founding Fathers are pointing out all of the problems they see with our country and how "this is not how it was meant to be."
What do you think?
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
I think it is a start, how can we improve upon this idea?
Think entertainment, you have to grab 'em and hold 'em.
This I will fly until JOEY returns!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Destructive Device....requires a $5 permit and a bunch of bullchet.
They are going after people with 37mm launchers on their rifles now.
No more flash bang fire works to scare the crows away.
Wounded wolf, you have a good idea for a best seller book. Go with it.
www.givemeliberty.org
Maybe a quick trip into "our" future, by our time travelers, to show what it could be like, IF things don't change.
The Blair Witch Project (thanks Comengetit) was a fairly LOW budget film. Made NATIONAL NEWS and millions of $$$, to be used to further "educate" the pubic. (sheeple, just for you Dave [;)])
Hmmmm......
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Wait 'til he realizes they passed a law a year or so ago that makes it illegal to possess a shotgun and a birdbomb.
Destructive Device....requires a $5 permit and a bunch of bullchet.
They are going after people with 37mm launchers on their rifles now.
No more flash bang fire works to scare the crows away.
Wounded wolf, you have a good idea for a best seller book. Go with it.
www.givemeliberty.org
LOL! Go get'em WW[;)], Let me know how it turns out.[:D][:p][;)][:o)]
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=168085
This I will fly until JOEY returns!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Sounds like a good sequel... Maybe in the last scene of the first film/book, our group of Founding Fathers and Modern Patriots are being pursued by BATFE thugs as they try to reach Ben Franklin's time machine. They hastily set the machine to travel 220 years back to the past and decide to take the Modern Patriots with them (maybe hoping they can formulate a plan to reinsert them somewhere into the timeline to avoid our present tyranny). Anyway, they set the machine a little TOO hastily and accidentally travel 220 years into the FUTURE!
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051020/en_usatoday/moviessoundacalltoaction
quote:Good Night, and Good Luck, in theaters, is George Clooney's McCarthyism drama about the media's power to expose government abuse of power. It also has a tie-in at participate.net; users are invited to report stories from their area that the media have ignored.
Emmanuel's Gift, in select theaters Friday, is a documentary narrated by Oprah Winfrey about a Ghanaian man with a withered leg who rides a bicycle across his country to change attitudes about disability. The movie website directs users to donate to the Challenged Athlete's Foundation, www.challengedathletes.org.
After Innocence, a documentary opening in New York Friday, features people wrongly convicted of crimes. The movie invites viewers to join campaigns to support the exonerated through www.activevoice.net.
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
Joey Has Been Freed!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
"I have good news and bad. Make it through, you don't have to prove anything to anyone the rest of your life. Bad news- you have to prove it to me first." CSM, US Army Ranger School.
"WE" know it's been done. The purpose here is to wake "OTHERS" up to that fact. [;)]
The gene pool needs chlorine.
Please take a look at this site. A lot of work done already...and trying to get the brain dead to watch is nearly impossible.Interfers with their preceptions of "all is well"...
I just had an epiphany, how powerful would it be if we were able to FLIP one of the gun grabbing HOLLYWOOD personalities to our side and then used them as our spokesperson? Say...someone like...Rosie O'donnell! or Rabbi Alexander M. Schindler. OK, the latter is a pathetic joke. Look at the Rabbi's last name, oh please, they're going to tell us that he wasn't "recruited". Yeah, right. Paul Newman or Michael Gross or Michael Douglas. It HAS to be someone we FLIPPED. Could work[?]
I just read the entire site innocentsbetrayed.com. I'm going to buy a copy of the documentary. Highball says see it, I'll see it. I talked to a good buddy of mine the other day about all the dirt you guys have helped me to discover, he jokingly said "your not going to be one of those Ruby Ridge Whackos are you?" First thing that popped into my mind was the spelling of Whacko (Waco) and how ironic it was of him to put the in the same sentence unknowingly. Then it dawned on me, what message had he gotten from the Ruby Ridge murders? So, I asked him. He said that they were "a group of fanatical freaks that were training to overthrow the goverment, all 12 of them. They got killed in a shootout with the FBI." I said what if I told you a different version? He said, "I'm listening." An hour and a half later we had ourselves another pro-gunner. They can be flipped, my buddy is as thick skulled as they come, but he has turned. We went and bought his first gun this afternoon, a Glock 17 and two 33 round mags. Next up...AR-15, he now loves mine.
Joey Has Been Freed!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
comengetit -
it would have to be understandable, I don't know about the jumpimg around timewise.
It's a good premise. I'm no Stanley Kubrick, but together we can DO this!!!
Again, I would like to say what a refreshing change this is from the Sandbox (politics forum)
"Mongo only pawn in game of life"
I've got it visualized I just can't put it to paper yet. Some kind of blocking going on. I didn't do a very good job of explaining because we don't want to give it away just yet. No, I just don't know how to explain what I'm visualizing. Think a cross between H.G. Wells "a Time Machine" and "Escape From New York" and "Road Warrior" and "Back to the Future"and "Schindler's List" all wrapped into one and get "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" out of your mind[:D][:D][:D]
Joey Has Been Freed!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Time Machine is a good one too, the original movie, not the latest redux.
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
And then the big question is do we do this in documentary genre or go for it all with a suspense thriller on the Big Screen? You know where my vote goes.
I volunteer to be in charge of Concept & Conceptual Design
Quikdraw? Didn't you want to do casting?
We need a treasurer or Comptroller (someone to write the checks and keep the books)
We also need Fund Acquisitions (someone to beg, go to pro gun companies and tell them our story. We're gonna need money. Maybe people from GB can be extras in the film)
And Board Members besides ourselves for a total of 11. (no tie votes)
Secretary (someone to put all of this in writing, everything except script)
Script Writer (after the concept is hatched, someone to put it all into script form)
Chairman of the Board
Right now I think those who have said they were in are:
pickenup
Highball
jaflowers
Quikdraw
comengetit
Wounded Wolf, AKA; WW
and a couple of others- Who are you? We need 5 more people to make up the Companies Board. They need to be able to fill a vacancy on above responsibilities list.
I'm sure I left some tasking off here, so help me out.
If you would like to keep your ideas confidential, email them to me and we will discuss that way. Once that discussion is over the result will be shared with the rest.
Joey Has Been Freed!
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Think about where we need key people to be. And we'll all need to work on a story line.
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Chuck Heston can be the bum at the end, sleeping on the newspaper with the dramatic headline. He's gotta have a catch phrase too, like "YOU BLEW IT UP! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!" or "GUN LOCKS ARE MADE FROM PEOPLE!!!"
MOΛΩN ΛABE
-Samuel Adams, Patriot/Brewer
WW - Good one[:D]
I'm afraid ol' Chuck isn't going to be doing much acting anymore, Alzheimers is a nasty disease[V]
Neo-Jedi Council
Scoundrel
WW- [:D]
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Not as powerful as a good movie or TV series but face it, much cheaper and alot faster at exposing the message. It will get some peoples attention immediately if well done. I'd be proud to pass it on to my contacts.
Work on your scripts and let me know how things turn out.
"My right to keep and bear arms is being dictated by a leaderhip unencumbered by knowledge or experience". (WWB)
Neo-Jedi Council
Naboo Sniper
There are two kinds of people in this World....Those who lead....and those who get the hell out of the way...GUT CHECK!...Which one are you?
Thank you for the welcome aboard and good luck with the project. While reading posts today I cut and pasted the Brazil election result and sent it into cyberspace. Have you considered the internet email route to expand exposure??
Who is quikdraw72?
Well anyway, welcome to the Gun Rights forum.
The gene pool needs chlorine.