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Whats the Confederate flag mean to u?
kyplumber
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I read something in another post some where that insinuated the Condfederate flag stands for racism. I personally do not see that, I see it stands for states rights.
So what does the Condfederate flag mean to you?
So what does the Condfederate flag mean to you?
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just kidding!
but if I ever buy a challenger you can bet that will be on the roof [;)]
on a serious note I'd say state resistance against overbearing federal government.
and freedom from being dictated to by government.
southern pride
states rights
rebel flag in my opinion has nothing to do with racism
Or, it was until a maniac made it a symbol of hatred.
The Southern battle flag was just that, a flag that allowed confederate leaders to ascertain where there troops were in battle. It became a flag of honor in that war.
Unfortunately that flag was hijacked by the KKK, * nation, Nazis and other hate groups making it a symbol of hate, exclusion and division.
It is certainly sad that such a noble flag was stolen by some of America's lowest whites to be so misused and abused.
Don't blame black people for seeing what became of that misuse. Blame those that did it.
Wulfmann
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
It has always just been part of our history.
It was a southern thing, it is over now.
The ones that see it as a racism thing need to build a bridge and get over it.
why are they not smart enough to place blame where it belongs?
I have never looked at it as a racism thing.
It has always just been part of our history.
It was a southern thing, it is over now.
The ones that see it as a racism thing need to build a bridge and get over it.
Those who are claiming the race thing are just looking for reperations. Lazy basturds for a handout.
You mean Charger?
The Southern flag represents
1. Southern pride
2. States rights
3. A memorial of the FIRST attack of the government on it's people
No, I am not a southerner, but perhaps at heart.
All will be quiet for a time and out of no were someone will stir the crap pot up.
may be a money thing funds and concern starts to slack off, stir it up and the followers and the money start to flow in again
quote:but if I ever buy a challenger you can bet that will be on the roof
You mean Charger?
The Southern flag represents
1. Southern pride
2. States rights
3. A memorial of the FIRST attack of the government on it's people
No, I am not a southerner, but perhaps at heart.
oops that was a charger...well the new charger is a damn sedan, and I am doubtful as to my ability to get my hands on a classic charger
The Southern flag represents
1. Southern pride
2. States rights
3. A memorial of the FIRST attack of the government on it's people
No, I am not a southerner, but perhaps at heart.
free,
You are correct. I hear people talk about what a great President Lincoln was, but they fail to realize he was the first to trample the Constitution.
and since you brought this up, I believe those of us down here below the M-D line shall make you an honorary Southerner.[;)]
All will be quiet for a time and out of no were someone will stir the crap pot up.
may be a money thing funds and concern starts to slack off, stir it up and the followers and the money start to flow in again
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Yeah, I am dumb, what is your point??
Fight for your future.
Protect your rights.
For instance, I have on on my viola case. That one stands for old time culture and old time music.
Alot of people with southern roots, as myself, see it as a symbol of heritage.
At a KKK rally it clearly stands for racism..DUH!
When people get uptight about a symbol, it ain't the symbol's fault, but a sympton of some unresolved issue.
Nothing wrong with that in any way IMO.
Anyone who has a problem with it can go pound sand.
This from a man with Pa. roots who had relatives in the Union Army, killed by the Confederates.
American by birth, Southern by the grace of God.
My hat:
Open Defiance to Federal tyranny
Yep, a "Rebel Flag".
The Southern Baptists were more the religion of the lower classes, back then, with Methodists being somewhere in between.
The point about the South being a bit more diverse in terms of its religious makeup than most modern folks think is also right on target. Charleston, SC had a large and very influential Jewish community - large enough to alter suggestions for CS flags from the Cross of St. George (perceived as a Christian symbol when it was English in heritage) when William Porcher Miles was on the CS flags committee, to alter the design for the ANV battle flag to the Saltire it became - the English cross tilted, basically.
To my ancestors, who fought for the Union - from Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey - it was simply the flag of the losers - nothing more, probably nothing less. From reading family diaries ... it was generally hated and ridiculed before, during and after the war by most Northerners and many Westerners. Had I been there, I suppose I would have felt the same way.
I simply don't care - one way or the other - but do find it (slightly) interesting to watch the posting here regarding the topic. The attempts to stay the serious course versus Dukes of Hazzard fans. LOL
... fight on gentlemen.
There were more slaves sold, kept and killed under the original US flag than under the Confederate Battle Flag or the Bonnie Blue Flag.
It is my understanding that the main religion of upper crust Southern society was Episcopalian.
The Southern Baptists were more the religion of the lower classes, back then, with Methodists being somewhere in between.
The point about the South being a bit more diverse in terms of its religious makeup than most modern folks think is also right on target. Charleston, SC had a large and very influential Jewish community - large enough to alter suggestions for CS flags from the Cross of St. George (perceived as a Christian symbol when it was English in heritage) when William Porcher Miles was on the CS flags committee, to alter the design for the ANV battle flag to the Saltire it became - the English cross tilted, basically.
To my ancestors, who fought for the Union - from Pennsylvania, New York and New Jersey - it was simply the flag of the losers - nothing more, probably nothing less. From reading family diaries ... it was generally hated and ridiculed before, during and after the war by most Northerners and many Westerners. Had I been there, I suppose I would have felt the same way.
I simply don't care - one way or the other - but do find it (slightly) interesting to watch the posting here regarding the topic. The attempts to stay the serious course versus Dukes of Hazzard fans. LOL
... fight on gentlemen.
There is a lot more to it than that and if your ancestors were alive today I bet they would fly the confederate flag, after all who is happy with the way things turned out? Forget the iron curtain, we live under an iron fist.
... if your ancestors were alive today I bet they would fly the confederate flag, ... .
What an absolute load of crap - I'd be embarassed to say anything so profoundly stupid.
I'm assuming that you're drunk again.
LOL ... sometimes I can't believe the utter drivel that flows so profoundly from some folks here, like you, who have absolutely no idea how my ancestors felt about that - or anything else!
Our Tomlinsons, Allens, and Reynolds Men were loyal Union Men, to a man. Seven joined the Army and two joined the Navy in 1861 and early 1862 - Major General John Reynolds was a West Point graduate from the Class of 1841, promoted in Mexico - to captain for gallantry at Monterrey and to major for Buena Vista. He was was killed at Gettysburg, on the first day leading his troops.
The rest of our men fought in most of the major battles throughout the war - never wavered, nor were diverted except for one Captain Reynolds - who walked home after three years of continuous fighting and woundings.
What has happened to our government since 1865 has absolutely nothing to do with any of them - and to say they "would probably fly the Confederate flag today" would have gotten you one fine horse whipping from any, or all of them. I respect their opinions far more than your inane opinion on the subject.
... I'm sure if any of them would have met the likes of you - and I'm sure they did meet many a real 'Johnny Reb' on the field of battle - you/and others like you were sent on to 'Southern Glory' as quickly as possible.
To comment further on your ridiculous assertion would be to only insult truly great military men who were proven on the fields of battle - and not the words of an internet forum fly.
quote:kyplumber:
... if your ancestors were alive today I bet they would fly the confederate flag, ... .
What an absolute load of crap - I'd be embarassed to say anything so profoundly stupid.
I'm assuming that you're drunk again.
LOL ... sometimes I can't believe the utter drivel that flows so profoundly from some folks here, like you, who have absolutely no idea how my ancestors felt about that - or anything else!
Our Tomlinsons, Allens, and Reynolds Men were loyal Union Men, to a man. Seven joined the Army and two joined the Navy in 1861 and early 1862 - Major General John Reynolds was a West Point graduate from the Class of 1841, promoted in Mexico - to captain for gallantry at Monterrey and to major for Buena Vista. He was was killed at Gettysburg, on the first day leading his troops.
The rest of our men fought in most of the major battles throughout the war - never wavered, nor were diverted except for one Captain Reynolds - who walked home after three years of continuous fighting and woundings.
What has happened to our government since 1865 has absolutely nothing to do with any of them - and to say they "would probably fly the Confederate flag today" would have gotten you one fine horse whipping from any, or all of them. I respect their opinions far more than your inane opinion on the subject.
... I'm sure if any of them would have met the likes of you - and I'm sure they did meet many a real 'Johnny Reb' on the field of battle - you/and others like you were sent on to 'Southern Glory' as quickly as possible.
To comment further on your ridiculous assertion would be to only insult truly great military men who were proven on the fields of battle - and not the words of an internet forum fly.
without even read more than the first sentence or two, I would've loved to have plugged your proud union family with lead.
I agree with PAT BUZZARD that we should not refer to it as a "rebel" flag, since doing so will continue this intentional corruption of history. I beleive that the term "rebel" was used by government officials of the United States of America, in an attempt to not recognize the "legal" act of secession the southern states made before forming the Confederate States of America. This same term will be used by individuals who intend to go on twisting history to their advantage.
Maybe someday the records of the southern military personnel who fought this war will be housed in the Confederate States of America Archives instead of the Rebel Archives.
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
quote:kyplumber:
... if your ancestors were alive today I bet they would fly the confederate flag, ... .
What an absolute load of crap - I'd be embarassed to say anything so profoundly stupid.
I'm assuming that you're drunk again.
LOL ... sometimes I can't believe the utter drivel that flows so profoundly from some folks here, like you, who have absolutely no idea how my ancestors felt about that - or anything else!
Our Tomlinsons, Allens, and Reynolds Men were loyal Union Men, to a man. Seven joined the Army and two joined the Navy in 1861 and early 1862 - Major General John Reynolds was a West Point graduate from the Class of 1841, promoted in Mexico - to captain for gallantry at Monterrey and to major for Buena Vista. He was was killed at Gettysburg, on the first day leading his troops.
The rest of our men fought in most of the major battles throughout the war - never wavered, nor were diverted except for one Captain Reynolds - who walked home after three years of continuous fighting and woundings.
What has happened to our government since 1865 has absolutely nothing to do with any of them - and to say they "would probably fly the Confederate flag today" would have gotten you one fine horse whipping from any, or all of them. I respect their opinions far more than your inane opinion on the subject.
... I'm sure if any of them would have met the likes of you - and I'm sure they did meet many a real 'Johnny Reb' on the field of battle - you/and others like you were sent on to 'Southern Glory' as quickly as possible.
To comment further on your ridiculous assertion would be to only insult truly great military men who were proven on the fields of battle - and not the words of an internet forum fly.
without even read more than the first sentence or two, I would've loved to have plugged your proud union family with lead.
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their point in seceding wasn't "so they could be racists". or even "so they could have slaves". the point was, irregardless of the actual issue, that they disagreed with the rest of the federation of states and they had a right to split off. in a word, freedom.
So what does the rebel flag mean to you?
Someone that is a Rebel... free thinking people who do not bend to conventional society 'standards'.
Of course a symbol is often not about the creators intented meaning, but the 'what does this make you think of' side. The swastika was a native american symbol meaning prosperity & good will. After the Nazi got done with it do you think it still had that meaning to many?
The Confederate Flag represents past history of the United States. It also represents to me freedom of choice. This country is based on freedom. Once that freedom is abolished we are not the people our forefathers fought for. Anyone has the right to fly this flag regardless whom they are. The problem I see when the flag is flown is not the flag , but the people , who are ignorant of the flags meaning.
Preach on, Brother!