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quote:Originally posted by MFI
Read my above post . Do I need to explain anymore. US north folks werent welcome in your good ole boy south. You can have it .
What does the confederate flag mean to me? Well, when I usually see it it's flying above a trailer in a trash-strewn yard, and there's some fat guy standing under it with his fat third wife next to him, and they're standing there waiting for their government check. And I always wonder what the heck they're so proud of.
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
THIS IS FACTUAL: so if you think otherwise, then it's just ignorance.
The nazis fought too expand there homeland and they had no place in it for what they considered lesser peoples (jews,gays,jypsies.)
Where have I seen something like that before, maybe I'll ask an indian. Oh wait, they are those savages we slaughtered in both north and south america to the point of extinction so we could expand ourselves out after the great war of freedom(civil war.) Do you ever have a point hairy? god bless.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
What does the confederate flag mean to me? Well, when I usually see it it's flying above a trailer in a trash-strewn yard, and there's some fat guy standing under it with his fat third wife next to him, and they're standing there waiting for their government check. And I always wonder what the heck they're so proud of.
LOL!!!! Right on!! [:D][:D]Methinks deys so prud der Sudern hestrey in gittn der azzes kicked. [:D][:D][:D]Yee Haw!!
quote:Originally posted by MFI
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
I read your post. Are you saying that that "every guy" at that Alabama school "hated" you because you were from a different locale, and that your actions had nothing to do with it?
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
The nazis fought too expand there homeland and they had no place in it for what they considered lesser peoples (jews,gays,jypsies.)
Where have I seen something like that before, maybe I'll ask an indian. Oh wait, they are those savages we slaughtered in both north and south america to the point of extinction so we could expand ourselves out after the great war of freedom(civil war.) Do you ever have a point hairy? god bless.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.
quote:Originally posted by MFI
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
Strange. I am considered a yankee, born and bred in Pennsylvania and I was stationed at Ft. McClellan Alabama in the very early 80's.
A nicer, more friendly bunch of southern folk could not be found anywhere than in Anniston Al.
Hell, I made some life-long friends there and mayhap spread some of my "northern seed" around down there with some "sweet southern ladies".[:I]
If The War of 1861-1865
Was Really About Slavery...
Why didn't Lincoln just arm the slaves?
Why didn't Lincoln simply buy the slaves off?
Why didn't Lincoln order his troops NOT to fire on slaves during General Sherman's infamous march?
Why did over 97,000 blacks fight on the side of the Confederacy?
Why did Northern States outlaw slavery AFTER the war was over? Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment and did not ratify it (free the slaves) until 1901!
Why did Union troops destroy what was knowingly part of the Underground Railroad during key campaigns?
Why do we still condone slavery in other countries (such as China)?
How did burning Atlanta help the free blacks in that city? How many were killed?
If the South wanted Slavery and the North didn't, then why didn't the Northern States secede from the Southern States and offered free passage north to blacks? Wouldn't that have been much simpler?
Why are there numerous articles from those days about the war being fought over money and federal rule vs state sovereignty?
And finally... Why won't ANY member of the NAACP debate Southern Heritage Supporters publicly on these matters?
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by MFI
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
Strange. I am considered a yankee, born and bred in Pennsylvania and I was stationed at Ft. McClellan Alabama in the very early 80's.
A nicer, more friendly bunch of southern folk could not be found anywhere than in Anniston Al.
Hell, I made some life-long friends there and mayhap spread some of my "northern seed" around down there with some "sweet southern ladies".[:I]
quote:Originally posted by kimi
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.You're going to have to find someone who gives a da*n about your "book". I certainly don't and don't care about how many comic books you have. [:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
If The War of 1861-1865
Was Really About Slavery...
Why didn't Lincoln just arm the slaves?
Why didn't Lincoln simply buy the slaves off?
Why didn't Lincoln order his troops NOT to fire on slaves during General Sherman's infamous march?
Why did over 97,000 blacks fight on the side of the Confederacy?
Why did Northern States outlaw slavery AFTER the war was over? Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment and did not ratify it (free the slaves) until 1901!
Why did Union troops destroy what was knowingly part of the Underground Railroad during key campaigns?
Why do we still condone slavery in other countries (such as China)?
How did burning Atlanta help the free blacks in that city? How many were killed?
If the South wanted Slavery and the North didn't, then why didn't the Northern States secede from the Southern States and offered free passage north to blacks? Wouldn't that have been much simpler?
Why are there numerous articles from those days about the war being fought over money and federal rule vs state sovereignty?
And finally... Why won't ANY member of the NAACP debate Southern Heritage Supporters publicly on these matters?
The underground railroad was, for the most part, a total failure, and so was the exodus of the black Americans to the north. Fact is that the vast majority stayed in the south, their homeland.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by kimi
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.You're going to have to find someone who gives a da*n about your "book". I certainly don't and don't care about how many comic books you have. [:D][:D]
Hairy, you are old enough and wise enough to refrain from hijacking my thread, thanks.
and mods please don't poof this one cause of some bitter yankee prune. [:o)][:o)]
Whenever the losers need a symbol to show their frustration, they hoist either the Nazi flag or the Rebel flag (take your choice). It isn't difficult to figure out who supports flying them. Yee Haw!!!
It's a Confederate flag, o.k.? Because I take pride in being from the South and having relatives that fought in the Civil War, it does not make me:
1) A racist. I served with many folks in service that were of a different race than I. Most of them were some of the finest people I have ever met. Without hesitation, they would've put themselves in harm's way for me, as I would for them. I do not just have friends that are black; we were, and still are, brothers.
2) A Nazi. How dare you. My grandfather fought them in WWII. I neither own a nazi flag nor would I ever display one.
I'm surprised none of you are supporting your wearing of the dunce caps and sheets too. Down here, they do, although their faces are unmasked when they parade. If they had some red, green and black polka dots on the sheets, they'd look like the clowns they are.
Oh, now you compare me with a racist hate group. Your brain is in 1st while your mouth is in 5th. You and others on here need to do a little research:
1) The Civil War was about the rights of States, not slavery.
2) The Confederacy consisted not only of white soldiers, but blacks also, and not just a small handful.
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
Hairy, you are old enough and wise enough to refrain from hijacking my thread, thanks.Excuse me, kyplumber, but isn't the title of your thread, "Whats the Confederate flag mean to u?".
Therefore, in accordance with your question, I'm letting you know--and you don't even have to thank me, either. If you didn't want to know, you ought not ask.
Seems to me you got what you asked for but it's not what you wanted. [:D][;)][;)]
well maybe if I was a female it woulda been different. I didnt go down there looking for trouble.. Its a mentality Ive seen quite a few times to be honest.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by kimi
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.You're going to have to find someone who gives a da*n about your "book". I certainly don't and don't care about how many comic books you have. [:D][:D]
You just wish it was my da+n book, Hairy, and not the comic book that GBe'rs have of you, the one that screams out your leanings. [V]
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe[;)]
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by HAIRY:
Whenever the losers need a symbol to show their frustration, they hoist either the Nazi flag or the Rebel flag (take your choice). It isn't difficult to figure out who supports flying them. Yee Haw!!!
It's a Confederate flag, o.k.? Because I take pride in being from the South and having relatives that fought in the Civil War, it does not make me:
1) A racist. I served with many folks in service that were of a different race than I. Most of them were some of the finest people I have ever met. Without hesitation, they would've put themselves in harm's way for me, as I would for them. I do not just have friends that are black; we were, and still are, brothers.
2) A Nazi. How dare you. My grandfather fought them in WWII. I neither own a nazi flag nor would I ever display one.
I'm surprised none of you are supporting your wearing of the dunce caps and sheets too. Down here, they do, although their faces are unmasked when they parade. If they had some red, green and black polka dots on the sheets, they'd look like the clowns they are.
Oh, now you compare me with a racist hate group. Your brain is in 1st while your mouth is in 5th. You and others on here need to do a little research:
1) The Civil War was about the rights of States, not slavery.
2) The Confederacy consisted not only of white soldiers, but blacks also, and not just a small handful.If the shoe fits, don't complain. You sure are complaining. [;)]
quote:Originally posted by MFI
well maybe if I was a female it woulda been different. I didnt go down there looking for trouble.. Its a mentality Ive seen quite a few times to be honest.
Now that's an altogether different story, and a believable one, however, this sort of mentality can be found anywhere one might travel in the entire world.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by MFI
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
Strange. I am considered a yankee, born and bred in Pennsylvania and I was stationed at Ft. McClellan Alabama in the very early 80's.
A nicer, more friendly bunch of southern folk could not be found anywhere than in Anniston Al.
Hell, I made some life-long friends there and mayhap spread some of my "northern seed" around down there with some "sweet southern ladies".[:I]
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe[;)]Sorta lost your train of thought (sic), didn't you? Do you sputter often? LOL
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe[;)]
Posted - 06/16/2008 : 10:28:41 PM Show Profile Email Poster Reply with Quote
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe
Sorta lost your train of thought (sic), didn't you? Do you sputter often? LOL
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe
Sorta lost your train of thought (sic), didn't you? Do you sputter often? LOL quote:
i was spittin on you[}:)]I'm not surprised, that's what you sissyboys do.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Mayhap? [:D]
Mishap maybe? [:o)]
Well, as a northern "hillbilly", we never did hear much about them thar "prophylactic thingies".
Yep, a mishap or two mayhap, nay, didhap at times.[:o)][:I][;)]
Mayhaps! [:D]
"Mayhaps" is a misspelling of the correct spelling of the word "mayhap" e.g. "perchance".
Ah hell, I went and got myself all confused now.[:D]
where I come from it's standard usage. Ain't it purty though? [:D]
Whenever the losers need a symbol to show their frustration, they hoist either the Nazi flag or the Rebel flag (take your choice). It isn't difficult to figure out who supports flying them. Yee Haw!!!
It's a Confederate flag, o.k.? Because I take pride in being from the South and having relatives that fought in the Civil War, it does not make me:
1) A racist. I served with many folks in service that were of a different race than I. Most of them were some of the finest people I have ever met. Without hesitation, they would've put themselves in harm's way for me, as I would for them. I do not just have friends that are black; we were, and still are, brothers.
2) A Nazi. How dare you. My grandfather fought them in WWII. I neither own a nazi flag nor would I ever display one.
I'm surprised none of you are supporting your wearing of the dunce caps and sheets too. Down here, they do, although their faces are unmasked when they parade. If they had some red, green and black polka dots on the sheets, they'd look like the clowns they are.
Oh, now you compare me with a racist hate group. Your brain is in 1st while your mouth is in 5th. You and others on here need to do a little research:
1) The Civil War was about the rights of States, not slavery.
2) The Confederacy consisted not only of white soldiers, but blacks also, and not just a small handful.
If the shoe fits, don't complain. You sure are complaining.
HAIRY,
I am not complaining. I am defending myself against a personal attack leveled at me. You implied that anyone who has pride in being Southern and anyone who displays or has pride in the Confederate flag and what it represents is:
a racist
a redneck
a member of the KKK
Your assessment is inaccurate, and I was simply correcting you, not complaining.
Comments
Read my above post . Do I need to explain anymore. US north folks werent welcome in your good ole boy south. You can have it .
Don't let the door hit you in the *.
MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.
MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
Lastly, and most importantly, why did NORTHERN States outlaw slavery only AFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH! NOT in the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".
FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".
MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH - The South revered slavery.
FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.
MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
THIS IS FACTUAL: so if you think otherwise, then it's just ignorance.
Where have I seen something like that before, maybe I'll ask an indian. Oh wait, they are those savages we slaughtered in both north and south america to the point of extinction so we could expand ourselves out after the great war of freedom(civil war.) Do you ever have a point hairy? god bless.
What does the confederate flag mean to me? Well, when I usually see it it's flying above a trailer in a trash-strewn yard, and there's some fat guy standing under it with his fat third wife next to him, and they're standing there waiting for their government check. And I always wonder what the heck they're so proud of.
LOL!!!! Right on!! [:D][:D]Methinks deys so prud der Sudern hestrey in gittn der azzes kicked. [:D][:D][:D]Yee Haw!!
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
I read your post. Are you saying that that "every guy" at that Alabama school "hated" you because you were from a different locale, and that your actions had nothing to do with it?
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]
couldnt've said it better myself!
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
The nazis fought too expand there homeland and they had no place in it for what they considered lesser peoples (jews,gays,jypsies.)
Where have I seen something like that before, maybe I'll ask an indian. Oh wait, they are those savages we slaughtered in both north and south america to the point of extinction so we could expand ourselves out after the great war of freedom(civil war.) Do you ever have a point hairy? god bless.
this has nothing to do with a flag.
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
Strange. I am considered a yankee, born and bred in Pennsylvania and I was stationed at Ft. McClellan Alabama in the very early 80's.
A nicer, more friendly bunch of southern folk could not be found anywhere than in Anniston Al.
Hell, I made some life-long friends there and mayhap spread some of my "northern seed" around down there with some "sweet southern ladies".[:I]
Was Really About Slavery...
Why didn't Lincoln just arm the slaves?
Why didn't Lincoln simply buy the slaves off?
Why didn't Lincoln order his troops NOT to fire on slaves during General Sherman's infamous march?
Why did over 97,000 blacks fight on the side of the Confederacy?
Why did Northern States outlaw slavery AFTER the war was over? Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment and did not ratify it (free the slaves) until 1901!
Why did Union troops destroy what was knowingly part of the Underground Railroad during key campaigns?
Why do we still condone slavery in other countries (such as China)?
How did burning Atlanta help the free blacks in that city? How many were killed?
If the South wanted Slavery and the North didn't, then why didn't the Northern States secede from the Southern States and offered free passage north to blacks? Wouldn't that have been much simpler?
Why are there numerous articles from those days about the war being fought over money and federal rule vs state sovereignty?
And finally... Why won't ANY member of the NAACP debate Southern Heritage Supporters publicly on these matters?
quote:Originally posted by MFI
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
Strange. I am considered a yankee, born and bred in Pennsylvania and I was stationed at Ft. McClellan Alabama in the very early 80's.
A nicer, more friendly bunch of southern folk could not be found anywhere than in Anniston Al.
Hell, I made some life-long friends there and mayhap spread some of my "northern seed" around down there with some "sweet southern ladies".[:I]
Mayhap? [:D]
Mayhap? [:D]
Mishap maybe? [:o)]
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.You're going to have to find someone who gives a da*n about your "book". I certainly don't and don't care about how many comic books you have. [:D][:D]
If The War of 1861-1865
Was Really About Slavery...
Why didn't Lincoln just arm the slaves?
Why didn't Lincoln simply buy the slaves off?
Why didn't Lincoln order his troops NOT to fire on slaves during General Sherman's infamous march?
Why did over 97,000 blacks fight on the side of the Confederacy?
Why did Northern States outlaw slavery AFTER the war was over? Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment and did not ratify it (free the slaves) until 1901!
Why did Union troops destroy what was knowingly part of the Underground Railroad during key campaigns?
Why do we still condone slavery in other countries (such as China)?
How did burning Atlanta help the free blacks in that city? How many were killed?
If the South wanted Slavery and the North didn't, then why didn't the Northern States secede from the Southern States and offered free passage north to blacks? Wouldn't that have been much simpler?
Why are there numerous articles from those days about the war being fought over money and federal rule vs state sovereignty?
And finally... Why won't ANY member of the NAACP debate Southern Heritage Supporters publicly on these matters?
The underground railroad was, for the most part, a total failure, and so was the exodus of the black Americans to the north. Fact is that the vast majority stayed in the south, their homeland.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.You're going to have to find someone who gives a da*n about your "book". I certainly don't and don't care about how many comic books you have. [:D][:D]
Hairy, you are old enough and wise enough to refrain from hijacking my thread, thanks.
and mods please don't poof this one cause of some bitter yankee prune. [:o)][:o)]
Whenever the losers need a symbol to show their frustration, they hoist either the Nazi flag or the Rebel flag (take your choice). It isn't difficult to figure out who supports flying them. Yee Haw!!!
It's a Confederate flag, o.k.? Because I take pride in being from the South and having relatives that fought in the Civil War, it does not make me:
1) A racist. I served with many folks in service that were of a different race than I. Most of them were some of the finest people I have ever met. Without hesitation, they would've put themselves in harm's way for me, as I would for them. I do not just have friends that are black; we were, and still are, brothers.
2) A Nazi. How dare you. My grandfather fought them in WWII. I neither own a nazi flag nor would I ever display one.
I'm surprised none of you are supporting your wearing of the dunce caps and sheets too. Down here, they do, although their faces are unmasked when they parade. If they had some red, green and black polka dots on the sheets, they'd look like the clowns they are.
Oh, now you compare me with a racist hate group. Your brain is in 1st while your mouth is in 5th. You and others on here need to do a little research:
1) The Civil War was about the rights of States, not slavery.
2) The Confederacy consisted not only of white soldiers, but blacks also, and not just a small handful.
Hairy, you are old enough and wise enough to refrain from hijacking my thread, thanks.Excuse me, kyplumber, but isn't the title of your thread, "Whats the Confederate flag mean to u?".
Therefore, in accordance with your question, I'm letting you know--and you don't even have to thank me, either. If you didn't want to know, you ought not ask.
Seems to me you got what you asked for but it's not what you wanted. [:D][;)][;)]
quote:Originally posted by kimi
You might be able to sell your loyalty in Iran, Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, South Chicago, or in other extreme liberal hotbeds, but your postings here do not reflect enough sentiment to back it up in my book.You're going to have to find someone who gives a da*n about your "book". I certainly don't and don't care about how many comic books you have. [:D][:D]
You just wish it was my da+n book, Hairy, and not the comic book that GBe'rs have of you, the one that screams out your leanings. [V]
ZZZ-ZZZ-ZZZ
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe[;)]
originally posted by HAIRY:
Whenever the losers need a symbol to show their frustration, they hoist either the Nazi flag or the Rebel flag (take your choice). It isn't difficult to figure out who supports flying them. Yee Haw!!!
It's a Confederate flag, o.k.? Because I take pride in being from the South and having relatives that fought in the Civil War, it does not make me:
1) A racist. I served with many folks in service that were of a different race than I. Most of them were some of the finest people I have ever met. Without hesitation, they would've put themselves in harm's way for me, as I would for them. I do not just have friends that are black; we were, and still are, brothers.
2) A Nazi. How dare you. My grandfather fought them in WWII. I neither own a nazi flag nor would I ever display one.
I'm surprised none of you are supporting your wearing of the dunce caps and sheets too. Down here, they do, although their faces are unmasked when they parade. If they had some red, green and black polka dots on the sheets, they'd look like the clowns they are.
Oh, now you compare me with a racist hate group. Your brain is in 1st while your mouth is in 5th. You and others on here need to do a little research:
1) The Civil War was about the rights of States, not slavery.
2) The Confederacy consisted not only of white soldiers, but blacks also, and not just a small handful.If the shoe fits, don't complain. You sure are complaining. [;)]
well maybe if I was a female it woulda been different. I didnt go down there looking for trouble.. Its a mentality Ive seen quite a few times to be honest.
Now that's an altogether different story, and a believable one, however, this sort of mentality can be found anywhere one might travel in the entire world.
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by MFI
I spent time in Alabama on a baseball scholarship in 1983 . 17 years old out of high school from a small Upstate NY town. Everyone of those guys at that school in Alabama hated me because I was a Yankee from NY. I never could understand after 120 plus years after they got their butts whooped why they still hated me for it. I'll never forget the way I was treated .
Strange. I am considered a yankee, born and bred in Pennsylvania and I was stationed at Ft. McClellan Alabama in the very early 80's.
A nicer, more friendly bunch of southern folk could not be found anywhere than in Anniston Al.
Hell, I made some life-long friends there and mayhap spread some of my "northern seed" around down there with some "sweet southern ladies".[:I]
Mayhap? [:D]
Okay, you got me...."didhap", a bunch.[:D][:o)]
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe[;)]Sorta lost your train of thought (sic), didn't you? Do you sputter often? LOL
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
wrap your head in a towel and bend over to face mecca hairy. your flag is the flag of hatred[;)][V]Your blatant ignorance is on display again.
My flag happens to the the Flag of the United States of America, not some colored rag used by a lot of southern trash types. If that offends you, good. [;)]
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe[;)]
That's the facts of the matter too.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Mayhap? [:D]
Mishap maybe? [:o)]
Well, as a northern "hillbilly", we never did hear much about them thar "prophylactic thingies".
Yep, a mishap or two mayhap, nay, didhap at times.[:o)][:I][;)]
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Mayhap? [:D]
Mishap maybe? [:o)]
Well, as a northern "hillbilly", we never did hear much about them thar "prophylactic thingies".
Yep, a mishap or two mayhap, nay, didhap at times.[:o)][:I][;)]
Mayhaps! [:D]
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe
Sorta lost your train of thought (sic), didn't you? Do you sputter often? LOL
i was spittin on you[}:)]
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Mayhap? [:D]
Mishap maybe? [:o)]
Well, as a northern "hillbilly", we never did hear much about them thar "prophylactic thingies".
Yep, a mishap or two mayhap, nay, didhap at times.[:o)][:I][;)]
Mayhaps! [:D]
"Mayhaps" is a misspelling of the correct spelling of the word "mayhap" e.g. "perchance".
Ah hell, I went and got myself all confused now.[:D]
NO hairy it is your blatant and rude arrogance that is ignorant, you call the American flag you flag , but speak out relentlessly of being against the things your flag stand for, or is Israel now your ally . you abhor me with your twisted opinions, twisted until they fit your whim. all the trash in the south wont fit in your mouth. and f that offends you puff pipe
Sorta lost your train of thought (sic), didn't you? Do you sputter often? LOL quote:
i was spittin on you[}:)]I'm not surprised, that's what you sissyboys do.
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Mayhap? [:D]
Mishap maybe? [:o)]
Well, as a northern "hillbilly", we never did hear much about them thar "prophylactic thingies".
Yep, a mishap or two mayhap, nay, didhap at times.[:o)][:I][;)]
Mayhaps! [:D]
"Mayhaps" is a misspelling of the correct spelling of the word "mayhap" e.g. "perchance".
Ah hell, I went and got myself all confused now.[:D]
where I come from it's standard usage. Ain't it purty though? [:D]
Hairy, your USAAC? Huh.. Didn't know they accepted Iraqi.Have no idea if they do or not. Do you have a point?
Originally posted by wsfiredude
originally posted by HAIRY:
Whenever the losers need a symbol to show their frustration, they hoist either the Nazi flag or the Rebel flag (take your choice). It isn't difficult to figure out who supports flying them. Yee Haw!!!
It's a Confederate flag, o.k.? Because I take pride in being from the South and having relatives that fought in the Civil War, it does not make me:
1) A racist. I served with many folks in service that were of a different race than I. Most of them were some of the finest people I have ever met. Without hesitation, they would've put themselves in harm's way for me, as I would for them. I do not just have friends that are black; we were, and still are, brothers.
2) A Nazi. How dare you. My grandfather fought them in WWII. I neither own a nazi flag nor would I ever display one.
I'm surprised none of you are supporting your wearing of the dunce caps and sheets too. Down here, they do, although their faces are unmasked when they parade. If they had some red, green and black polka dots on the sheets, they'd look like the clowns they are.
Oh, now you compare me with a racist hate group. Your brain is in 1st while your mouth is in 5th. You and others on here need to do a little research:
1) The Civil War was about the rights of States, not slavery.
2) The Confederacy consisted not only of white soldiers, but blacks also, and not just a small handful.
If the shoe fits, don't complain. You sure are complaining.
HAIRY,
I am not complaining. I am defending myself against a personal attack leveled at me. You implied that anyone who has pride in being Southern and anyone who displays or has pride in the Confederate flag and what it represents is:
a racist
a redneck
a member of the KKK
Your assessment is inaccurate, and I was simply correcting you, not complaining.