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Winchester Model 94, 55, & 64 Survey update

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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bentbarrel
    Bert:

    Serial Number 1077243, Model 94, 32ws
    Good condition

    Any idea without pictures as to what I should ask for a selling price.
    Never reblued or altered.


    I need more information... Is it a SRC, an Eastern Carbine, or a Sporting Rifle?
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: my new(!) 1894:
    serial number= 1,354,690
    barrel says 42
    32 ws
    checkered steel
    blank tang
    no sight tapping
    not sure where pcmr would be
    proof steel
    no ring
    milled barrel band
    i'm curious about the 42 barrel as it should be 46,eh? mike
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: here is some additional info about #1,354,690. looking at your pics of the barrel undersides, mine is different in that the 32ws is printed upside down and the 42 is printed at right angles to all the barrel year numbers in your pics. 42 is not parallel to the printing on top of the barrel as your pics are, it is turned 90* to the right. hope this makes sense. mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello Mike,

    Production of the Model 94 was halted in late August of 1942 at serial number 1343183. A very limited few were manufactured in November of 1944 (13 total) and June of 1945 (3 total), and then regular production was resumed in September of 1945 (at serial number 1342000).

    When production was halted in late 1942, I am willing to bet that there were a large number of barrels still on hand, and that when production was resumed in late 1945, "42" marked barrels were used.

    Based on these month ending numbers (from the Polishing Room records);

    28-Sep 1945 - 1343510
    30-Oct 1945 - 1345463
    29-Nov 1945 - 1348730
    29-Dec 1945 - 1352066

    I am willing to bet that your Carbine was manufactured in January of 1946, and as such, it very likely could have a 1942 marked barrel on it. As for the date number being turned 90 degrees, that is a bit odd, but nothing to be concerned about.

    Edit: Checking my records, serial number 1368130 (also a 32 WS) has a "42" barrel date. That confirms my suspicion that your Carbine is correct with a "42" marked barrel.
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: thanks, i'm still waiting for my 2nd 94, 1,349,8xx to see what barrel it has! thanks again...mike
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    singleshotfanaticsingleshotfanatic Member Posts: 41 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert My 94 is serial#2076017 is taped for a rear sight and has a round barrel band.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by singleshotfanatic
    Bert My 94 is serial#2076017 is taped for a rear sight and has a round barrel band.


    Which cartridge is it chambered for?
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    sschradsschrad Member Posts: 50 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert,

    Serial No# 2002682

    Win 94

    30-30-WIN

    Checkered steel buttplate

    Blank tang

    D&T

    Milled band

    NO Martial or PCMR marks

    Winchester proof steel barrel

    NO Saddle ring

    Steve
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by sschrad
    Bert,

    Serial No# 2002682

    Win 94

    30-30-WIN

    Checkered steel buttplate

    Blank tang

    D&T

    Milled band

    NO Martial or PCMR marks

    Winchester proof steel barrel

    NO Saddle ring

    Steve


    Hello Steve,

    Thank you for your participation in the survey.

    Your Model 94 is a standard Sporting Carbine, manufactured in 1953.
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    brutebrute Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Hello all.

    I am attempting to research all of the pre WW II production through post WW II era production Model 94s, Model 55s, and Model 64s that I can locate. For those of you who are interested and would like to participate in a survey concerning several different production changes made to the Models 94, 55, and 64, please either post your information here, or send it directly to me at Win1885@msn.com.

    Edit: I have come to the realization that I need to ask all of the following questions...

    1. The complete serial number (please, no partial serial numbers).
    2. The exact caliber stamp marking (see the pictures below for examples).
    3. The specific type of butt plate, e.g. Carbine, serrated steel shotgun style, flat checkered steel, hard rubber, or the checkered steel plate with the widows peak and diamond surrounding the lower screw hole (see the pictures below).
    4. The type (style) of the upper tang marking, e.g. type 5, 6, or 7, or if it is blank (see the pictures below).
    5. Is the receiver factory drilled & tapped for a peep sight?
    6. U.S. martial or PCMR marked guns?
    7. Nickel Steel or Proof Steel marked barrel?
    8. Does it have a saddle ring?
    9. If in the 1,200,000 - 1,270,000 serial range, is the bottom of the receiver marked with a "W"?
    10. If in the 1,260,000 - 1,310,000 serial range, does the leading "1" digit look like an "L"?
    11. If in the 1,370,000 - 1,560,000 serial range, does it have a flat-band or a milled front barrel band?
    12. If in the 1,700,000 - 1,770,000 serial range, does it have the long or the short forend stock?
    13. If a Model 55, is it a Take Down or Solid frame?
    14. If a Model 64, is it standard Rifle, a Deer Rifle (deluxe), a standard Carbine, or a deluxe Carbine?

    More specifically, I am trying to determine the approximate serial number transition point for...

    (1) "30 W.C.F." versus "30-30 WIN" marked barrels,

    Model94-30W.C.F.-1385707.jpg
    Model94--30-30WIN.--1948763.jpg

    (2) "32 W.S." versus "32 WIN. SPL."

    Model94-32W.S.-1462074.jpg
    Model94-32WIN.SPL.-.jpg

    (3) The transition point from the traditional curved steel carbine butt plate, to the steel shotgun style with the horizontal cut lines (serrated), and again the later transition to the flat checkered steel plates.

    Carbine butt plate used only on the Model 94...
    Buttplate-Carbine1015072-2.jpg

    Serrated steel butt plate used on both the Model 94 and 55...
    Buttplate-Serratedsteel.jpg

    Checkered steel butt plate used only on the Model 94...
    Buttplate-Checkeredsteel.jpg

    Checkered steel with widows peak butt plate used almost exclusively on the Model 64... (this type of butt plate was first introduced for the Model 1887 and 1897 shotguns)
    Buttplate-M702186021.jpg

    (4) Upper Tang roll stamp types.

    Type 5
    Type5tangstamp1015072.jpg

    Type 6
    Type6tangstamp1082497.jpg

    Type 7
    Type7tangstamp1255031.jpg

    (5) Those guns that were factory drilled & tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight (Lyman or Redfield).

    Drilledtappedreceiver1677530.jpg

    (6) The transition from the milled front barrel band to the flat-band

    Milled Band...
    Milledband1156742-1.jpg
    Milledband1156742-2.jpg
    Milledband1156742-3.jpg

    Flat-Band...
    FlatBand1465867.jpg
    FlatBand1465867-1.jpg

    (7) The exact Serial range for the "W" stamped guns...

    Serial1226499W.jpeg

    (8) The exact Serial range for the "L" stamped guns...

    Serial1302674.jpg


    And finally, I am attempting to determine the precise serial number transition points for the Models 55 and 64.

    If you own (or know of) a Model 94, 55, or 64 in the 1,000,000 - 2,700,000 serial range, please take a close look at it, and then either post, or send the information directly to me. Your name and information will remain anonymous if you email the information to me. I will post updated results in this Sticky topic as the survey progresses.

    Thanks in advance to all who respond & participate[:)].

    Bert H.
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    brutebrute Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by brute
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Hello all.

    I am attempting to research all of the pre WW II production through post WW II era production Model 94s, Model 55s, and Model 64s that I can locate. For those of you who are interested and would like to participate in a survey concerning several different production changes made to the Models 94, 55, and 64, please either post your information here, or send it directly to me at Win1885@msn.com.

    Edit: I have come to the realization that I need to ask all of the following questions...

    1. The complete serial number (please, no partial serial numbers).
    2. The exact caliber stamp marking (see the pictures below for examples).
    3. The specific type of butt plate, e.g. Carbine, serrated steel shotgun style, flat checkered steel, hard rubber, or the checkered steel plate with the widows peak and diamond surrounding the lower screw hole (see the pictures below).
    4. The type (style) of the upper tang marking, e.g. type 5, 6, or 7, or if it is blank (see the pictures below).
    5. Is the receiver factory drilled & tapped for a peep sight?
    6. U.S. martial or PCMR marked guns?
    7. Nickel Steel or Proof Steel marked barrel?
    8. Does it have a saddle ring?
    9. If in the 1,200,000 - 1,270,000 serial range, is the bottom of the receiver marked with a "W"?
    10. If in the 1,260,000 - 1,310,000 serial range, does the leading "1" digit look like an "L"?
    11. If in the 1,370,000 - 1,560,000 serial range, does it have a flat-band or a milled front barrel band?
    12. If in the 1,700,000 - 1,770,000 serial range, does it have the long or the short forend stock?
    13. If a Model 55, is it a Take Down or Solid frame?
    14. If a Model 64, is it standard Rifle, a Deer Rifle (deluxe), a standard Carbine, or a deluxe Carbine?

    More specifically, I am trying to determine the approximate serial number transition point for...

    (1) "30 W.C.F." versus "30-30 WIN" marked barrels,

    Model94-30W.C.F.-1385707.jpg
    Model94--30-30WIN.--1948763.jpg

    (2) "32 W.S." versus "32 WIN. SPL."

    Model94-32W.S.-1462074.jpg
    Model94-32WIN.SPL.-.jpg

    (3) The transition point from the traditional curved steel carbine butt plate, to the steel shotgun style with the horizontal cut lines (serrated), and again the later transition to the flat checkered steel plates.

    Carbine butt plate used only on the Model 94...
    Buttplate-Carbine1015072-2.jpg

    Serrated steel butt plate used on both the Model 94 and 55...
    Buttplate-Serratedsteel.jpg

    Checkered steel butt plate used only on the Model 94...
    Buttplate-Checkeredsteel.jpg

    Checkered steel with widows peak butt plate used almost exclusively on the Model 64... (this type of butt plate was first introduced for the Model 1887 and 1897 shotguns)
    Buttplate-M702186021.jpg

    (4) Upper Tang roll stamp types.

    Type 5
    Type5tangstamp1015072.jpg

    Type 6
    Type6tangstamp1082497.jpg

    Type 7
    Type7tangstamp1255031.jpg

    (5) Those guns that were factory drilled & tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight (Lyman or Redfield).

    Drilledtappedreceiver1677530.jpg

    (6) The transition from the milled front barrel band to the flat-band

    Milled Band...
    Milledband1156742-1.jpg
    Milledband1156742-2.jpg
    Milledband1156742-3.jpg

    Flat-Band...
    FlatBand1465867.jpg
    FlatBand1465867-1.jpg

    (7) The exact Serial range for the "W" stamped guns...

    Serial1226499W.jpeg

    (8) The exact Serial range for the "L" stamped guns...

    Serial1302674.jpg


    And finally, I am attempting to determine the precise serial number transition points for the Models 55 and 64.

    If you own (or know of) a Model 94, 55, or 64 in the 1,000,000 - 2,700,000 serial range, please take a close look at it, and then either post, or send the information directly to me. Your name and information will remain anonymous if you email the information to me. I will post updated results in this Sticky topic as the survey progresses.

    Thanks in advance to all who respond & participate[:)].

    Bert H.
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    brutebrute Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert I have a model 64 #2061750 30-30 win,checkered steel butt plate window peak, blank top strap, drilled and tapped with a redfield peep sight and original ramp sight, front hood, 24 inch barrel, org. leather sling and swivel. Bluing is perfect, bore is perfect, stock is excellent. It's a deluxe deer rifle. I don't know about nickel or proof steel marks.
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    MPinkstonMPinkston Member Posts: 799 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert,

    I recently acquired my first Model 94 and here is its stats:

    S/N 1817230 (1951)
    -Model 94-30-30-WIN.-
    Flat checkered steel butt
    Upper tang is blank
    not drilled
    miller front barrel band
    No letter under S/N

    However, on the bottom just in front of the trigger is the stamp CB.
    Any idea what that is?

    Thanks
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by brute
    Hi Bert I have a model 64 #2061750 30-30 win,checkered steel butt plate window peak, blank top strap, drilled and tapped with a redfield peep sight and original ramp sight, front hood, 24 inch barrel, org. leather sling and swivel. Bluing is perfect, bore is perfect, stock is excellent. It's a deluxe deer rifle. I don't know about nickel or proof steel marks.


    Thank you for posting the information[:)]

    The date on the barrel should be "54", and it is marked "WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL" on the left side of the barrel near the rear sight.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by MPinkston
    Bert,

    I recently acquired my first Model 94 and here is its stats:

    S/N 1817230 (1951)
    -Model 94-30-30-WIN.-
    Flat checkered steel butt
    Upper tang is blank
    not drilled
    miller front barrel band
    No letter under S/N

    However, on the bottom just in front of the trigger is the stamp CB.
    Any idea what that is?

    Thanks


    Hello Mark,

    Thank you for posting[:)]

    The serial number indicates that it will have a "51" marked barrel. The "CB" is an inpsection stamp.
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: info on my second 94:
    1. 1,349,880 (can you give me a day, month if you have it?)
    2. 30wcf
    3. serated steel shotgun (are these straight top-bottom?
    4. no tang mark
    5. no pcmr
    6. no peep drill
    7. proof steel
    8. no sr
    9. 42 barrel!!30wcf mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    bert: info on my second 94:
    1. 1,349,880 (can you give me a day, month if you have it?)
    2. 30wcf
    3. serated steel shotgun (are these straight top-bottom?
    4. no tang mark
    5. no pcmr
    6. no peep drill
    7. proof steel
    8. no sr
    9. 42 barrel!!30wcf mike


    December 10th, 1945.
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: 1,205,178 is what month and year? looking to buy...mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    bert: 1,205,178 is what month and year? looking to buy...mike


    March 1939.

    What caliber is it? Does it have a "W" stamped on the bottom of the receiver?
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: haven't had it in mu hands yet. mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    bert: haven't had it in mu hands yet. mike


    OK, please let me know when you have it in hand.
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    waveblasterwaveblaster Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert, Since you are researching the 94's, I have a question that you might be able to answer for me. I can't find in my blue books, any pre 64 1894 in nickel with gold accents. Yet, I have one. I was told that it is a 1963. Any idea if there was a "special run" made in that year, with those attributes by Winchester? I will email the SN in the next few days.
    Thank you!

    John
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by waveblaster
    Bert, Since you are researching the 94's, I have a question that you might be able to answer for me. I can't find in my blue books, any pre 64 1894 in nickel with gold accents. Yet, I have one. I was told that it is a 1963. Any idea if there was a "special run" made in that year, with those attributes by Winchester? I will email the SN in the next few days.
    Thank you!

    John


    Hello John,

    I am not aware of any that were made in that configuration, but I would like to reserve judgement until I can see some pictures of the gun.
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    Buster1895Buster1895 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    1.sn 1449805
    2.30 W.C.F
    3.Checkered steel
    4.Blank
    5.No
    6.No
    7.Proof Steel
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.Flat band
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Buster1895
    1.sn 1449805
    2.30 W.C.F
    3.Checkered steel
    4.Blank
    5.No
    6.No
    7.Proof Steel
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.Flat band
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*


    Thank you very much for the information on your Model 94 Flat-band Carbine. The serial number indicates that it is a 1947 vintage gun. The description makes it standard in all respects. It is now the 422nd Flat-band in my survey[:)].
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    Buster1895Buster1895 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here's another, nothing special plain ol' standard 94.

    1.sn 2022242
    2.30-30 Win
    3.Checkered steel
    4.Blank
    5.Yes
    6.No
    7.Proof Steel
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*
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    JackPJackP Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert: If you still need info, here is some more: I have a model 94 in 32 Win. Spec. It was advertised as "made in 1943", but I know that can't be true, can it? Madis' little book would indicate it might be though? Here is the info:

    1.s/n = 1324550
    2. - 32 w.s. -
    3. Serrated steel butt plate
    4. Type 7 upper tang marking
    5. Not drilled or tapped
    6. No martial markings
    7. No barrel steel markings
    8. No saddle ring
    It has a milled barrel band.
    There are no "W" or "L" stamped under the s/n on the receiver bottom.
    I assume it is a standard rifle. It has a ~ 19 1/4 inch barrel.
    By the way it is in excellent condition (I would say 98-99% blue and wood)
    Hope this helps.
    JP
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Buster1895
    Here's another, nothing special plain ol' standard 94.

    1.sn 2022242
    2.30-30 Win
    3.Checkered steel
    4.Blank
    5.Yes
    6.No
    7.Proof Steel
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*



    Completely standard 1953 vintage Carbine.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JackP
    Hi Bert: If you still need info, here is some more: I have a model 94 in 32 Win. Spec. It was advertised as "made in 1943", but I know that can't be true, can it? Madis' little book would indicate it might be though? Here is the info:

    1.s/n = 1324550
    2. - 32 w.s. -
    3. Serrated steel butt plate
    4. Type 7 upper tang marking
    5. Not drilled or tapped
    6. No martial markings
    7. No barrel steel markings
    8. No saddle ring
    It has a milled barrel band.
    There are no "W" or "L" stamped under the s/n on the receiver bottom.
    I assume it is a standard rifle. It has a ~ 19 1/4 inch barrel.
    By the way it is in excellent condition (I would say 98-99% blue and wood)
    Hope this helps.
    JP


    Hello Jack,

    Thank you for posting the information on your Model 94 Carbine[:)].

    Serial number 1324550 is listed as being serialized on 3/17/1942. From your description, it is a standard Sporting Carbine (though the actual barrel length is 20-inches, as you did not measure the part of the barrel that is screwed into the receiver frame)). If you would like a value estimate, please post some pictures of the gun.
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    Buster1895Buster1895 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    And now an old one.

    1.sn 14692
    2.38-55
    3.Crescent
    4.Model 1894. -Winchester- Pat.Aug.21.1894.
    5.No
    6.No
    7.None
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Buster1895
    And now an old one.

    1.sn 14692
    2.38-55
    3.Crescent
    4.Model 1894. -Winchester- Pat.Aug.21.1894.
    5.No
    6.No
    7.None
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*



    I am not surveying the early (old) Model 1894s, as all of the original factory records exist for them (through serial number 353,999). That said, serial number 14692 went through the Polishing Room in early January, 1896. The Cody Firearms Musuem can provide the exact date, and a factory letter for it.
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    Buster1895Buster1895 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by Buster1895
    And now an old one.

    1.sn 14692
    2.38-55
    3.Crescent
    4.Model 1894. -Winchester- Pat.Aug.21.1894.
    5.No
    6.No
    7.None
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.*



    I am not surveying the early (old) Model 1894s, as all of the original factory records exist for them (through serial number 353,999). That said, serial number 14692 went through the Polishing Room in early January, 1896. The Cody Firearms Musuem can provide the exact date, and a factory letter for it.


    OOOPS sorry
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    Buster1895Buster1895 Member Posts: 35 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Model 64

    1.sn 1910590
    2.30-30 Win
    3.Checkered steel with widows peak butt plate.
    4.Blank
    5.yes
    6.No
    7.Proof Steel
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.Standard rifle.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Buster1895
    Model 64

    1.sn 1910590
    2.30-30 Win
    3.Checkered steel with widows peak butt plate.
    4.Blank
    5.yes
    6.No
    7.Proof Steel
    8.No ring
    9.*
    10.*
    11.*
    12.*
    13.*
    14.Standard rifle.


    Thank you very much for the information on this Model 64[:)]

    The serial number indicates that it is a 1952 vintage rifle.
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    bbuellbbuell Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I dont have the right camera for taking the close ups. I'll have to find someone that does.

    Serial number 1718836
    The letters FM are stamped in front of the trigger
    It has the checkered steel butt plate
    The caliber is 25-35 Win
    It has the milled bands
    I believe it has the short fore end stock
    No saddle ring
    What looks to be a P over a W inside a circle, stamped on the top at the start of the barrel and the end of the receiver
    There is nothing stamped in the location shown below with the W and the L
    There are no holes drilled on the top at all.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bbuell
    I dont have the right camera for taking the close ups. I'll have to find someone that does.

    Serial number 1718836
    The letters FM are stamped in front of the trigger
    It has the checkered steel butt plate
    The caliber is 25-35 Win
    It has the milled bands
    I believe it has the short fore end stock
    No saddle ring
    What looks to be a P over a W inside a circle, stamped on the top at the start of the barrel and the end of the receiver
    There is nothing stamped in the location shown below with the W and the L
    There are no holes drilled on the top at all.


    Thank you for participating in the survey. Of the (4020) serial numbers I have surveyed, only (97) of them are 25-35s. Your Carbine is a 1950 vintage Model 94, and it is normal in all respects, except it should have the long forend stock verus the short. The pictures will tell the story.
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    waveblasterwaveblaster Member Posts: 5 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert,
    Sorry that I didn't reply sooner with the SN on that Nickel '94 W/ gold accents. Here it is: 2568062
    Any help on who it was made for, I can't find a Nickel 1894 with gold accents IE: Front sight hood, trigger, rear sight, barrel bands, hammer, in any of my Blue Books. I greatly appreciate your help, all of you. Oh yeah, HAPPY NEW YEAR![8D]
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    bbuellbbuell Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The stock is as long as the ones in the pictures. But not knowing what a short versus long looks like, its probably the long stock.
    Its a beautiful weapon. Thanks so much for the input back. Would you comment on approximate value?

    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by bbuell
    I dont have the right camera for taking the close ups. I'll have to find someone that does.

    Serial number 1718836
    The letters FM are stamped in front of the trigger
    It has the checkered steel butt plate
    The caliber is 25-35 Win
    It has the milled bands
    I believe it has the short fore end stock
    No saddle ring
    What looks to be a P over a W inside a circle, stamped on the top at the start of the barrel and the end of the receiver
    There is nothing stamped in the location shown below with the W and the L
    There are no holes drilled on the top at all.


    Thank you for participating in the survey. Of the (4020) serial numbers I have surveyed, only (97) of them are 25-35s. Your Carbine is a 1950 vintage Model 94, and it is normal in all respects, except it should have the long forend stock verus the short. The pictures will tell the story.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bbuell
    The stock is as long as the ones in the pictures. But not knowing what a short versus long looks like, its probably the long stock.
    Its a beautiful weapon. Thanks so much for the input back. Would you comment on approximate value?

    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by bbuell
    I dont have the right camera for taking the close ups. I'll have to find someone that does.

    Serial number 1718836
    The letters FM are stamped in front of the trigger
    It has the checkered steel butt plate
    The caliber is 25-35 Win
    It has the milled bands
    I believe it has the short fore end stock
    No saddle ring
    What looks to be a P over a W inside a circle, stamped on the top at the start of the barrel and the end of the receiver
    There is nothing stamped in the location shown below with the W and the L
    There are no holes drilled on the top at all.


    Thank you for participating in the survey. Of the (4020) serial numbers I have surveyed, only (97) of them are 25-35s. Your Carbine is a 1950 vintage Model 94, and it is normal in all respects, except it should have the long forend stock verus the short. The pictures will tell the story.



    The value is determined by the graded condition, and I will need to see some pictures of the gun to evaluate and assess it. That said, there is a substantial premium for the 25-35 WIN caliber. I suspect that it is worth at least $1800, possibly several hundred more.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by waveblaster
    Bert,
    Sorry that I didn't reply sooner with the SN on that Nickel '94 W/ gold accents. Here it is: 2568062
    Any help on who it was made for, I can't find a Nickel 1894 with gold accents IE: Front sight hood, trigger, rear sight, barrel bands, hammer, in any of my Blue Books. I greatly appreciate your help, all of you. Oh yeah, HAPPY NEW YEAR![8D]


    OK, that makes it a very late 1962 or very early 1963 production gun. I very much suspect that the nickel and gold accents were added after the fact. As such, there is no way to determine the "who" or "why". If you are able, please post (or send me) some pictures of the gun.
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