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attempt at pics to above 1894 32WS
gun has cracked and repaired stock, cracked and repaired forend.
missing front piece on ammo tube.
strange cutout underneath barrel below front sight.
Loads, feeds and shoots fine. any ideas on scarcity or value on this old ranch rifle?
Your Model 1894 Take Down Sporting Rifle is in relatively poor condition, and as such, it unfortunately has relatively little remaining collector value.
Take Down Sporting Rifles were quite common, with an estimated total production exceeding 60,000.
The milled cut out was for the locking lug on the bottom of the original magazine tube lever. Your rifle originally had a full length magazine tube versus the short tube it has now.
I have a 63 that I will give you the info to but I have a quick question, mine has Winchester on the barrel in gold? Was that done aftermarket or was that a factory thing? DETAILS TO FOLLOW. Thanks for the info.
quote:Originally posted by Ruckin69
I have a 63 that I will give you the info to but I have a quick question, mine has Winchester on the barrel in gold? Was that done aftermarket or was that a factory thing? DETAILS TO FOLLOW. Thanks for the info.
Are you referring to the Model 63 semi-auto .22 caliber rifle?
Bert, I have a 64 Deluxe Carbine, serial number 1146424, steel checkered butt plate with widow peak, composition grip cap, checkered stock, -30 W.C.F.-, super grade 2-screw bases, factory drilled and tapped for side mount sight, open sights. Need any other info?? I understand there were only 2-300 64 deluxe carbines made, do you know the exact number???
quote:Originally posted by cottonwoodvista
Bert, I have a 64 Deluxe Carbine, serial number 1146424, steel checkered butt plate with widow peak, composition grip cap, checkered stock, -30 W.C.F.-, super grade 2-screw bases, factory drilled and tapped for side mount sight, open sights. Need any other info?? I understand there were only 2-300 64 deluxe carbines made, do you know the exact number???
Hello, and thank you for the information on your Model 64 Deluxe Carbine. Per the original Winchester serialization records, your Model 64 was manufactured on 9/29/1937.
The total production for the Model 64 Deluxe Carbines was actually approximately 4,500.
The pictures are not showing for the items. I have tried on more than one computer and still do not get the pictures for the various options. Just a ? in a square.
model 94
1. ser.#1118944
2.30 wcf
3. carbine style
(pictures aren't showing)
4. Winchester
-trade mark-
-made in u.s.a.-
5. small screw near hammer, large screw near rear of tang
6. no markings of these type
7. proof steel
8. no ring
9. (nothing applicable 9 through 14)
quote:Originally posted by vdms55
model 94
1. ser.#1118944
2.30 wcf
3. carbine style
(pictures aren't showing)
4. Winchester
-trade mark-
-made in u.s.a.-
5. small screw near hammer, large screw near rear of tang
6. no markings of these type
7. proof steel
8. no ring
9. (nothing applicable 9 through 14)
Thank you for participating in my research survey. Your Model 94 is a "transitional" Carbine, manufactured on December 22nd, 1936
Wow, Bert - lots of interesting information in this thread! I'm a bit late to the party because I just joined the forum but I would like to add a gun to it and find out what I can. It is a Winchester Model 53 lever action, nickel steel, .32 W.C.F., chambered in .32-20, solid (not takedown). The S/N is 5517. The tang has 3 lines: WINCHESTER; -Trademark-; and - Made in U.S.A.-, top of hammer is checkered. This rifle belonged to my grandfather who often used it to hunt woodchucks in Western NYS with his buddies. I'm now 71 and I think the Model 53 was manufactured between 1924 and 1932 in the caliber above plus .44-40 and .25-20.
When I inherited the rifle the only thing I noticed that it needed was a replacement of the lever pivot pin, which I had done by a gunsmith to insure that everything remained genuine. The rifle has been well cared for but bears the character of one that has seen some use! The bluing is pretty much gone but there is no rust. The bore is shiny bright and the wood has a nice patina gained only through age and with the dings and dents that probably have some stories behind them. The butt plate is also nickel steel, plain at the top and bottom with horizontal lines in the center.
If pictures would be helpful I can e-mail some, the forum doesn't seem to have a way to load them. Any light you can shed on this is appreciated . thanks! Dave (Hoovak1)
Thanks for posting the information on your Model 53. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured on 11/27/1925. I intend to forward the information on your Model 53 to a fellow Winchester collector friend of mine who is actively researching the Model 53. If you can do so, please send pictures of your rifle to my personal email address (listed in the opening post).
Thanks for posting the information on your Model 53. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured on 11/27/1925. I intend to forward the information on your Model 53 to a fellow Winchester collector friend of mine who is actively researching the Model 53. If you can do so, please send pictures of your rifle to my personal email address (listed in the opening post).
I'll sure do that, and I appreciate the info you gave me on the manufacture date. Dave
Just purchased a Winchester Model 94 Carbine marked -30 WCF-, serial # 1549703, "proof steel", blank top tang, long forearm, flat checkered steel butt plate with a very-very slight curvature, not drilled for scope or peep sight, hooded ramp sight, standard milled barrel band. Hope this helps some [;)]
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
Just purchased a Winchester Model 94 Carbine marked -30 WCF-, serial # 1549703, "proof steel", blank top tang, long forearm, flat checkered steel butt plate with a very-very slight curvature, not drilled for scope or peep sight, hooded ramp sight, standard milled barrel band. Hope this helps some [;)]
It does. Can you tell me if it has the flat type front barrel band?
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
Just purchased a Winchester Model 94 Carbine marked -30 WCF-, serial # 1549703, "proof steel", blank top tang, long forearm, flat checkered steel butt plate with a very-very slight curvature, not drilled for scope or peep sight, hooded ramp sight, standard milled barrel band. Hope this helps some [;)]
It does. Can you tell me if it has the flat type front barrel band?
No, it's not the flat barrel band.......standard I guess is what it would be called.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Model 64 Standard Rifle DOM 1951 I believe
1. 1782286
2. 30 WCF
3. Checkered steel with widows peak and diamond.
4. Blank
5. Drilled/tapped for peep.(This I assume, as it has a Lyman in place)
6. no
7. Proof Steel marked barrel
8. no
9-13 N/A
14 Model 64 Standard Rifle.
Model 94 Carbine DOM 1963
1. 2586117
2. 30-30 Win
3. serrated steel shotgun style
4. Blank
5. yes
6. No
7. Winchester Proof Steel
8. No
9-14 N/A
quote:Originally posted by callaojoe
I have a pair of pre64's.
Model 64 Standard Rifle DOM 1951 I believe
1. 1782286
2. 30 WCF
3. Checkered steel with widows peak and diamond.
4. Blank
5. Drilled/tapped for peep.(This I assume, as it has a Lyman in place)
6. no
7. Proof Steel marked barrel
8. no
9-13 N/A
14 Model 64 Standard Rifle.
Model 94 Carbine DOM 1963
1. 2586117
2. 30-30 Win
3. serrated steel shotgun style
4. Blank
5. yes
6. No
7. Winchester Proof Steel
8. No
9-14 N/A
1951 is the correct year for your Model 64 standard rifle.
Thank you very much for participating in the survey [^]
Hope you are still amassing info. This one is serial 1344397 (last number may be off a bit,pics don't show) I'm not in possession of the rifle yet so I'll link the closed auction.
Hope you are still amassing info. This one is serial 1344397 (last number may be off a bit,pics don't show) I'm not in possession of the rifle yet so I'll link the closed auction.
1. 1,344,391
2. 30-W.C.F
3. Butt plate is steel with horizontal rows in the center
4. Tang is blank.
5. no peep sight holes
6. No martial markings.
7. Barrel proof is covered by a marbles rear sight,but at lowest setting appears to be the intertwined WP logo
8. No saddle ring
Thanks for any info!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by bodydenny
1. 1,344,391
2. 30-W.C.F
3. Butt plate is steel with horizontal rows in the center
4. Tang is blank.
5. no peep sight holes
6. No martial markings.
7. Barrel proof is covered by a marbles rear sight,but at lowest setting appears to be the intertwined WP logo
8. No saddle ring
Thanks for any info!!!!!
Per the original Winchester factory serialization records, your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured very shortly after production resumed at the end of WW II, on 10/17/1945. It is completely standard.
I pulled the magazine tube and the date "42" was stamped on the barrel. Could the barreled receiver have been left as an assembly and then finished in 1945?
I pulled the magazine tube and the date "42" was stamped on the barrel. Could the barreled receiver have been left as an assembly and then finished in 1945?
No. The serial number clearly indicated that the receiver was not manufactured until October of 1945. Production of the Model 94 was temporarily halted in late August of 1942 to support the WW II efforts. At the time production was halted, Winchester had a stock pile of "42" barrels ready to use. When Production resumed in September of 1945, new receiver frames were made, and the remaining stock of 1942 barrels were used to assemble them.
Bert. I have 101626. Deluxe pistol grip,with checkered non-select wood. 26" full Oct/full mag, type 1A receiver. Smooth rifle crescent butt, 30 WCF top flat of barrel close to receiver. "Manufactured by the Winchester Arms ..." On the top of barrel and two-line "Nickel steel barrel specially for smokeless..." on the top left flat. (No saddle ring, no extra tang or receiver holes) Small profile silver front sight with screw on right side to secure to barrel and two leaf flip up rear with no elevator.
quote:Originally posted by MrGnA
Bert. I have 101626. Deluxe pistol grip,with checkered non-select wood. 26" full Oct/full mag, type 1A receiver. Smooth rifle crescent butt, 30 WCF top flat of barrel close to receiver. "Manufactured by the Winchester Arms ..." On the top of barrel and two-line "Nickel steel barrel specially for smokeless..." on the top left flat. (No saddle ring, no extra tang or receiver holes) Small profile silver front sight with screw on right side to secure to barrel and two leaf flip up rear with no elevator.
The serial number on your Model 1894 identifies it as a November 1900 production rifle. More than likely it has the I-pattern checkering, which would make it a "semi-deluxe" rifle.
Comments
Bert, Here is another one for you. 2433176 .32 Win Special. No other details....yet. Thanks!
Thank you... 1960 production.
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1: 168771
2: 32WS
3: plain steel
4:
5: maybe- drilled and filled with a proud screw
6:No
7:Nickle steel
8 No
gun has cracked and repaired stock, cracked and repaired forend.
missing front piece on ammo tube.
strange cutout underneath barrel below front sight.
Loads, feeds and shoots fine. any ideas on scarcity or value on this old ranch rifle?
Your Model 1894 Take Down Sporting Rifle is in relatively poor condition, and as such, it unfortunately has relatively little remaining collector value.
Take Down Sporting Rifles were quite common, with an estimated total production exceeding 60,000.
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I was hoping that it was a rare jewel in the rough.
But I guess I will settle for reality.
Thanks for the advice.
Still wondering if any one could hazard a guess as to the cut out on the bottom of the barrel.
Bipod, an original longer stock?
Last pic shows it
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I have a 63 that I will give you the info to but I have a quick question, mine has Winchester on the barrel in gold? Was that done aftermarket or was that a factory thing? DETAILS TO FOLLOW. Thanks for the info.
Are you referring to the Model 63 semi-auto .22 caliber rifle?
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Thanks. Will that bring down the value or is that easily fixed?
Thanks. Will that bring down the value or is that easily fixed?
I do not believe that it will affect the value, and would just leave it as is.
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I have a 1949 32 WS, are you still doing this survey?
Yes, I am still adding information to the survey. Please send me a PM with the information on your Model 94.
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good luck with the research.
Bert, I have a 64 Deluxe Carbine, serial number 1146424, steel checkered butt plate with widow peak, composition grip cap, checkered stock, -30 W.C.F.-, super grade 2-screw bases, factory drilled and tapped for side mount sight, open sights. Need any other info?? I understand there were only 2-300 64 deluxe carbines made, do you know the exact number???
Hello, and thank you for the information on your Model 64 Deluxe Carbine. Per the original Winchester serialization records, your Model 64 was manufactured on 9/29/1937.
The total production for the Model 64 Deluxe Carbines was actually approximately 4,500.
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1. ser.#1118944
2.30 wcf
3. carbine style
(pictures aren't showing)
4. Winchester
-trade mark-
-made in u.s.a.-
5. small screw near hammer, large screw near rear of tang
6. no markings of these type
7. proof steel
8. no ring
9. (nothing applicable 9 through 14)
model 94
1. ser.#1118944
2.30 wcf
3. carbine style
(pictures aren't showing)
4. Winchester
-trade mark-
-made in u.s.a.-
5. small screw near hammer, large screw near rear of tang
6. no markings of these type
7. proof steel
8. no ring
9. (nothing applicable 9 through 14)
Thank you for participating in my research survey. Your Model 94 is a "transitional" Carbine, manufactured on December 22nd, 1936
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When I inherited the rifle the only thing I noticed that it needed was a replacement of the lever pivot pin, which I had done by a gunsmith to insure that everything remained genuine. The rifle has been well cared for but bears the character of one that has seen some use! The bluing is pretty much gone but there is no rust. The bore is shiny bright and the wood has a nice patina gained only through age and with the dings and dents that probably have some stories behind them. The butt plate is also nickel steel, plain at the top and bottom with horizontal lines in the center.
If pictures would be helpful I can e-mail some, the forum doesn't seem to have a way to load them. Any light you can shed on this is appreciated . thanks! Dave (Hoovak1)
Thanks for posting the information on your Model 53. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured on 11/27/1925. I intend to forward the information on your Model 53 to a fellow Winchester collector friend of mine who is actively researching the Model 53. If you can do so, please send pictures of your rifle to my personal email address (listed in the opening post).
WACA Historian & Life Member
Hello Dave,
Thanks for posting the information on your Model 53. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured on 11/27/1925. I intend to forward the information on your Model 53 to a fellow Winchester collector friend of mine who is actively researching the Model 53. If you can do so, please send pictures of your rifle to my personal email address (listed in the opening post).
I'll sure do that, and I appreciate the info you gave me on the manufacture date. Dave
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Just purchased a Winchester Model 94 Carbine marked -30 WCF-, serial # 1549703, "proof steel", blank top tang, long forearm, flat checkered steel butt plate with a very-very slight curvature, not drilled for scope or peep sight, hooded ramp sight, standard milled barrel band. Hope this helps some [;)]
It does. Can you tell me if it has the flat type front barrel band?
WACA Historian & Life Member
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
Just purchased a Winchester Model 94 Carbine marked -30 WCF-, serial # 1549703, "proof steel", blank top tang, long forearm, flat checkered steel butt plate with a very-very slight curvature, not drilled for scope or peep sight, hooded ramp sight, standard milled barrel band. Hope this helps some [;)]
It does. Can you tell me if it has the flat type front barrel band?
No, it's not the flat barrel band.......standard I guess is what it would be called.
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
Model 64 Standard Rifle DOM 1951 I believe
1. 1782286
2. 30 WCF
3. Checkered steel with widows peak and diamond.
4. Blank
5. Drilled/tapped for peep.(This I assume, as it has a Lyman in place)
6. no
7. Proof Steel marked barrel
8. no
9-13 N/A
14 Model 64 Standard Rifle.
Model 94 Carbine DOM 1963
1. 2586117
2. 30-30 Win
3. serrated steel shotgun style
4. Blank
5. yes
6. No
7. Winchester Proof Steel
8. No
9-14 N/A
I have a pair of pre64's.
Model 64 Standard Rifle DOM 1951 I believe
1. 1782286
2. 30 WCF
3. Checkered steel with widows peak and diamond.
4. Blank
5. Drilled/tapped for peep.(This I assume, as it has a Lyman in place)
6. no
7. Proof Steel marked barrel
8. no
9-13 N/A
14 Model 64 Standard Rifle.
Model 94 Carbine DOM 1963
1. 2586117
2. 30-30 Win
3. serrated steel shotgun style
4. Blank
5. yes
6. No
7. Winchester Proof Steel
8. No
9-14 N/A
1951 is the correct year for your Model 64 standard rifle.
Thank you very much for participating in the survey [^]
WACA Historian & Life Member
Hope you are still amassing info. This one is serial 1344397 (last number may be off a bit,pics don't show) I'm not in possession of the rifle yet so I'll link the closed auction.
Regards,
Dennis Rooney
http://www.GunBroker.com/item/562948792
Hi Bert,
Hope you are still amassing info. This one is serial 1344397 (last number may be off a bit,pics don't show) I'm not in possession of the rifle yet so I'll link the closed auction.
Regards,
Dennis Rooney
http://www.GunBroker.com/item/562948792
Hello Dennis,
Yes, I am still surveying the Model 94s. After you get it in hand, please update this post with the verified serial number.
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2. 30-W.C.F
3. Butt plate is steel with horizontal rows in the center
4. Tang is blank.
5. no peep sight holes
6. No martial markings.
7. Barrel proof is covered by a marbles rear sight,but at lowest setting appears to be the intertwined WP logo
8. No saddle ring
Thanks for any info!!!!!
1. 1,344,391
2. 30-W.C.F
3. Butt plate is steel with horizontal rows in the center
4. Tang is blank.
5. no peep sight holes
6. No martial markings.
7. Barrel proof is covered by a marbles rear sight,but at lowest setting appears to be the intertwined WP logo
8. No saddle ring
Thanks for any info!!!!!
Per the original Winchester factory serialization records, your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured very shortly after production resumed at the end of WW II, on 10/17/1945. It is completely standard.
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I pulled the magazine tube and the date "42" was stamped on the barrel. Could the barreled receiver have been left as an assembly and then finished in 1945?
Thanks Bert,
I pulled the magazine tube and the date "42" was stamped on the barrel. Could the barreled receiver have been left as an assembly and then finished in 1945?
No. The serial number clearly indicated that the receiver was not manufactured until October of 1945. Production of the Model 94 was temporarily halted in late August of 1942 to support the WW II efforts. At the time production was halted, Winchester had a stock pile of "42" barrels ready to use. When Production resumed in September of 1945, new receiver frames were made, and the remaining stock of 1942 barrels were used to assemble them.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Bert. I have 101626. Deluxe pistol grip,with checkered non-select wood. 26" full Oct/full mag, type 1A receiver. Smooth rifle crescent butt, 30 WCF top flat of barrel close to receiver. "Manufactured by the Winchester Arms ..." On the top of barrel and two-line "Nickel steel barrel specially for smokeless..." on the top left flat. (No saddle ring, no extra tang or receiver holes) Small profile silver front sight with screw on right side to secure to barrel and two leaf flip up rear with no elevator.
The serial number on your Model 1894 identifies it as a November 1900 production rifle. More than likely it has the I-pattern checkering, which would make it a "semi-deluxe" rifle.
WACA Historian & Life Member