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Winchester Model 94, 55, & 64 Survey update

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    ca9430ca9430 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello Bert I sent email on survey yesterday i have no idea if you got it so i will do it again. 1st model 94
    1.sn. 81862
    2. 30 W.C.F.
    3. crescent
    4.#5
    5. no
    7. nickel steel
    8. no
    2nd model 94
    1.sn. 1610656
    2.MODEL 94-30 W.C.F-
    3.flat checkered steel
    4.blank
    5.no
    6.no
    7.WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL
    8.no saddle ring
    11.milled barrle band
    I hope this helps. Have any questions let me know. I would apreciate any info. on them thanks
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by ca9430
    Hello Bert I sent email on survey yesterday i have no idea if you got it so i will do it again. 1st model 94
    1.sn. 81862
    2. 30 W.C.F.
    3. crescent
    4.#5
    5. no
    7. nickel steel
    8. no
    2nd model 94
    1.sn. 1610656
    2.MODEL 94-30 W.C.F-
    3.flat checkered steel
    4.blank
    5.no
    6.no
    7.WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL
    8.no saddle ring
    11.milled barrle band
    I hope this helps. Have any questions let me know. I would apreciate any info. on them thanks


    Chris,

    I did receive it, but was a little too busy to reply right away. I did send you a reply about an hour ago.

    Thanks for posting[:)]
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    jdsteel82jdsteel82 Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert,
    I have a 94 Octagonal barrel 30WCF
    SN: 64916

    Would love to post pics, but It looks like unspeakable deeds were done to it in the 70's... like somebody put it in a vise and sanded it.

    Will post pics if requested, but please don't hurt me. I just did as the owner asked, as it was rusting away.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jdsteel82
    Hi Bert,
    I have a 94 Octagonal barrel 30WCF
    SN: 64916

    Would love to post pics, but It looks like unspeakable deeds were done to it in the 70's... like somebody put it in a vise and sanded it.

    Will post pics if requested, but please don't hurt me. I just did as the owner asked, as it was rusting away.


    Hello JD,

    No need for pictures, and it is what it is now... a "shooter". The serial number places the DOM in July of 1899.
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    HappyNanoqHappyNanoq Member Posts: 12,023
    edited November -1
    Got a Winchester 94AE, .357Mag on hand

    Serial# 6487150

    When would that be from, and are parts still available.?
    It has a bad part, which sometimes lets out a cartridge from the magazine - under the "flip-up"lever-thingy /cartridge-lifter-thingy.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by HappyNanoq
    Got a Winchester 94AE, .357Mag on hand

    Serial# 6487150

    When would that be from, and are parts still available.?
    It has a bad part, which sometimes lets out a cartridge from the magazine - under the "flip-up"lever-thingy /cartridge-lifter-thingy.



    This should help you...

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    kenjoe45kenjoe45 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    1846187 30-30 win checkered not tapped
    2140421 same same tapped
    2343937 same same same
    1295951 30 wcf serrated not tapped type 7 tang
    1465531 same checkered same
    1153141 same serrated same type 6 tang
    1174741 same same same typr 7 tang
    1555552 same checkered same
    1569287 same same same
    1654760 same same same
    2462916 30-30 win same tapped
    1986519 same same same
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    kenjoe45kenjoe45 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    one more

    2050712 30-30 win checkered tapped
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello kenjoe,

    First, thank you very much for your post and sharing the information.

    The DOM information for your Model 94s is as follows;

    1. 1153141 - November 11th, 1937.
    2. 1174741 - May 4th, 1938.
    3. 1295951 - September 11th, 1941. Does the leading "1" look like an "L"?

    The following are estimated dates only...

    4. 1465531 - Late 1947. This should be a Flat-band Carbine.
    5. 1555552 - Very late 1948.
    6. 1569287 - Early 1949.
    7. 1654760 - Very late 1949.
    8. 1846187 - Late 1951.
    9. 1986519 - Mid-year 1953.
    10. 2050712 - Very early 1954.
    11. 2140421 - Mid-year 1955.
    12. 2343937 - Early 1959.
    13. 2462916 - Early 1961.

    If you have any questions, please let me know.
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    bkalexbkalex Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hey Bert. I have a Model 94:

    1. SN- 1342175
    2. Serrated butt plate
    3. Type 7 tang stamp
    4. Not drilled and tapped
    5. Milled band
    6. Cal. stamped 30 W.C.F.
    7. Proof steel

    Hope this helps.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bkalex
    Hey Bert. I have a Model 94:

    1. SN- 1342175
    2. Serrated butt plate
    3. Type 7 tang stamp
    4. Not drilled and tapped
    5. Milled band
    6. Cal. stamped 30 W.C.F.
    7. Proof steel

    Hope this helps.


    Thanks for posting!

    Your Model 94 was serialized in July of 1942, and it is standard in all respects.
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    bkalexbkalex Member Posts: 2 ✭✭
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    kenjoe45kenjoe45 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks for the dates. regarding the 1295951 number, yes the leading "1" does look like an L, what does this mean?
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kenjoe45
    Thanks for the dates. regarding the 1295951 number, yes the leading "1" does look like an L, what does this mean?


    It has no specific meaning. It was simply just a different style number die.
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    kenjoe45kenjoe45 Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thanks again. I have noticed on my Model 94,s, seven of them have the forearm about one inch longer than the other six. Any meaning to this.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by kenjoe45
    Thanks again. I have noticed on my Model 94,s, seven of them have the forearm about one inch longer than the other six. Any meaning to this.


    No, there is no special meaning. Winchester simply changed the length of the forend stock on the Carbines at or very near serial number 1750600 in late 1950.
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    JROB9mmJROB9mm Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good Morning all.

    I have a model 94 30-30 serial # 148#### it does have the flat band and checkered plate. I tryed to look up the date and but cant find any formation. I also have model 70 serial # 804###(243) which I'm also looking for some info on as to feather weight or sporter or any info.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by JROB9mm
    Good Morning all.

    I have a model 94 30-30 serial # 148#### it does have the flat band and checkered plate. I tryed to look up the date and but cant find any formation. I also have model 70 serial # 804###(243) which I'm also looking for some info on as to feather weight or sporter or any info.

    Thanks in advance.


    In order to provide accurate answers, I require complete serial numbers... no "###" or "xxx". If you are not comfortable posting the complete number, you can send them to me at Win1885@msn.com or via a PM on this forum.
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    oakridgeoakridge Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert H.,
    I have a Win. Mod. 94 SRC
    32 W.S.
    Ser. No. 1,062,304
    20" RBFM
    Saddle Ring
    Carbine butt
    Type 6 tang marking
    Nickel Steel barrel marking

    I can give you minimal information on 3 other guns that fall in the serial range you are researching. I couldn't provide more info because I no longer own them.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by oakridge
    Bert H.,
    I have a Win. Mod. 94 SRC
    32 W.S.
    Ser. No. 1,062,304
    20" RBFM
    Saddle Ring
    Carbine butt
    Type 6 tang marking
    Nickel Steel barrel marking

    I can give you minimal information on 3 other guns that fall in the serial range you are researching. I couldn't provide more info because I no longer own them.


    Your Model 94 SRC is completely normal, and was serialized on March 5th, 1930.

    Please provide any information you can.

    Thanks.
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    oakridgeoakridge Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert H.,

    This is the only info I have on these:

    Win. Mod. 94 Carbine
    Ser. No. 1,111,937
    Cal. .30 W.C.F.
    20" RBFM
    This is a standard carbine made
    WITHOUT saddle ring.

    Win. Mod. 55 Rifle
    Ser. No. 8504
    Cal. .25-35 W.C.F.
    24"RB Half Magazine
    Shotgun butt
    Takedown
    Lyman front "Jacksight"
    Lyman folding leaf rear sight
    Lyman #38 receiver sight
    Sling swivels

    Win. Mod. 64 Rifle
    Ser. No. 1,377,401
    Cal. .219 Zipper
    26" RB Half magazine
    Shotgun Butt
    Deluxe
    Checkered forearm and
    pistol grip with grip cap
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello oakridge,

    First, thank you very much for the additional information, especially the Model 55 and 64. Each one found and surveyed fills in one more piece to the puzzle[:)].

    I do have a question about the Model 64 219 Zipper... do you remember if it had a bolt peep sight, or a receiver peep sight (or the drilled & tapped holes for one)?

    Thanks,
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    oakridgeoakridge Member Posts: 87 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert H.,
    Sorry about that. My Zipper did have a receiver sight. It was not like the long Lyman #21 that I had on several Winchesters. I think it was the Lyman #56 sight. I don't think the bolt was made for a bolt peep sight.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by oakridge
    Bert H.,
    Sorry about that. My Zipper did have a receiver sight. It was not like the long Lyman #21 that I had on several Winchesters. I think it was the Lyman #56 sight. I don't think the bolt was made for a bolt peep sight.


    No need to appologize... it is very easy to not remember all of the little details.

    A Lyman No. 56 was a common sight on the Model 64.

    Thanks for the update[:)]
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    joeoimjoeoim Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert,

    Here are what I have,

    1 Serial # 1837166
    2 --Model 94--32 WIN SPL--
    3 Checkered Butt Plate
    4 Blank
    5 Not drilled and tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
    8 No saddle ring

    1 Serial # 2149123
    2 --Model-94--30-30 WIN--
    3 Checkered Butt Plate
    4 Blank
    5 drilled and tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
    8 No saddle ring

    1 Serial # 1145276
    2 30 W.C.F.-
    3 It has the serrated steel butt plate
    4 Type 6
    5 drilled and tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
    8 No saddle ring

    1 Serial # 1393478
    2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
    3 It has the checkered steel butt plate
    4 Blank
    5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
    8 No saddle ring
    11 It has the flat band


    1 Serial # 1234793
    2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
    3 Red rubber Butt Plate "Redhead brand Chicago"
    4 Type 6
    5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
    8 No saddle ring
    9 W on bottom

    What butt plate should this rifle have?
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hello Joe,

    First, thank you very much for your interest, and for posting the information on your collection of Model 94s.

    I have inserted my reply for each gun in blue below.

    quote:Originally posted by joeoim
    Bert,

    Here are what I have,

    1 Serial # 1837166 (1951)
    2 --Model 94--32 WIN SPL--
    3 Checkered Butt Plate
    4 Blank
    5 Not drilled and tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
    8 No saddle ring
    Standard production Sporting Carbine


    1 Serial # 2149123 (circa 1955)
    2 --Model-94--30-30 WIN--
    3 Checkered Butt Plate
    4 Blank
    5 drilled and tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked --Winchester Proof Steel--
    8 No saddle ring
    Standard Sporting Carbine. It would be interesting to know what the date stamp on the bottom of the barrel is.


    1 Serial # 1145276 (September 23rd, 1937)
    2 30 W.C.F.-
    3 It has the serrated steel butt plate
    4 Type 6
    5 drilled and tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
    8 No saddle ring
    Standard Sporting Carbine


    1 Serial # 1393478 (1946)
    2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
    3 It has the checkered steel butt plate
    4 Blank
    5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
    8 No saddle ring
    11 It has the flat band
    Early production Flat-band Carbine.


    1 Serial # 1234793 (July 9th, 1940)
    2 - Model 94 -30 W.C.F.-
    3 Red rubber Butt Plate "Redhead brand Chicago"
    4 Type 6
    5 Not drilled or tapped for sights
    6 No
    7 Barrel is marked Winchester Proof Steel
    8 No saddle ring
    9 W on bottom
    Standard pre-war Sporting Carbine (except for the rubber recoil pad).

    What butt plate should this rifle have? It should have the identical serrated steel butt plate that is on serial number 1145276.
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    joeoimjoeoim Member Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thank-You Bert

    My dates were off a little.

    These old rifles put a lot of meat on the table.
    So did the 25-35.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by joeoim
    Thank-You Bert

    My dates were off a little.

    These old rifles put a lot of meat on the table.
    So did the 25-35.


    Joe,

    You are quite welcome[:)].

    The two precise dates (for the two earliest serial numbers) come from the Polishing Room Serialization Records, and the other three dates are estimates based on barrel dates that I have verified thus far. If you are adept at the disassembly of your guns, I would appreciate it if you could check the 2-digit year number stamped on the bottom of the barrels of each of the latter three guns.
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    HalfledHalfled Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Hi Bert: First let me say I applaud your efforts in gathering this information on the 94 and it's siblings. I hope you publish a summary of it one day. Let me add some information about my 94 Winchester Eastern Carbine, 32 Win Spl, barrel is dated under chamber '37', Winchester Proof Steel stamped on top, Serial Number 1135619, second and third lines of tang label are hyphonated, bottom tang stamped 'S' in front of trigger, reciever is NOT d/t for receiver sight, buttplate has horizontal serations. The information will bring a new dimension to collecting these fine Winchesters. Thanks again,
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Halfled
    Hi Bert: First let me say I applaud your efforts in gathering this information on the 94 and it's siblings. I hope you publish a summary of it one day. Let me add some information about my 94 Winchester Eastern Carbine, 32 Win Spl, barrel is dated under chamber '37', Winchester Proof Steel stamped on top, Serial Number 1135619, second and third lines of tang label are hyphonated, bottom tang stamped 'S' in front of trigger, reciever is NOT d/t for receiver sight, buttplate has horizontal serations. The information will bring a new dimension to collecting these fine Winchesters. Thanks again,


    I have already written a preliminary article that was published in early 2009 (in the WACA Collector magazine), and I have three follow-up articles that are 98% complete (they will also be published in the WACA Collector magazine in the next year or so). After those articles have been published, I will see what I can do to put together a summary in a format that I can post here on Gunbroker.

    In regards to your Model 94 Sporting Carbine, serial number 1135619 is listed in the PR records as next to the last receiver serialized on July 15th, 1937. Everything you described is standard except the reference to "eastern". When Winchester discontinued the saddle ring as a standard item in early 1932, the "Saddle Ring Carbine" became the "Sporting Carbine". The term "Eastern Carbine" refers to those that were made (ordered) without a saddle ring when it was still a standard item.

    Thank you very much for participating in my research survey. As of this moment, I now have a total of (234) Model 55s, (521) Model 64s, and (3046) Model 94s listed. The transition points (serial number range) for nearly all of the various production changes are very well defined at this point, and the extrapolated caliber production percentages have not changed much in the past 12-months or so.
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    HalfledHalfled Member Posts: 4 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Great work and information, thank you Sir!
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: i have been off the forum for a year and a half, but just picked up two 94's. they are in the mail, but can you tell me just the years? i will send rest of survey info. when they arrive: 1,354,690 and 1,349,812.
    also, last year i asked for the 1943 serial range and you gave me a range. i have tried to read all the post since 3/25/09. are you now saying that no guns were produced during 1943 as i think i read in a newer post? thanks, for your help...mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    bert: i have been off the forum for a year and a half, but just picked up two 94's. they are in the mail, but can you tell me just the years? i will send rest of survey info. when they arrive: 1,354,690 and 1,349,812.
    also, last year i asked for the 1943 serial range and you gave me a range. i have tried to read all the post since 3/25/09. are you now saying that no guns were produced during 1943 as i think i read in a newer post? thanks, for your help...mike


    Hello Mike,

    As it turns out (per the information contained in the Polishing Room Serialization Record books), Winchester did not manufacture any Model 94s in the year 1943. Production ceased in August of 1942 at serial 1343183, and resumed in November of 1944 at serial number 1343184.

    1349812 was serialized in December of 1945. 1354690 was serialized in very early 1946.
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: thanks for the info. happy thanksgiving!!
    another question: i went back through your "94 facts section", but i did find serial number ranges for the 1930 to 1941 years(last of prewar). are these on the sight somewhere, the correct polishing room numbers like yours? thanks, mike
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    bert: also, is 1,324,532 a 1942 d.o.m.? thanks again, mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    bert: also, is 1,324,532 a 1942 d.o.m.? thanks again, mike


    March 1942 to be exact.
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    bert: thanks for the info. happy thanksgiving!!
    another question: i went back through your "94 facts section", but i did find serial number ranges for the 1930 to 1941 years(last of prewar). are these on the sight somewhere, the correct polishing room numbers like yours? thanks, mike


    Mike,

    I am not exactly clear about what you are asking?

    The Polishing Room Serialization Records I have access to are complete from serial number 1 through 1352066 (September 29th, 1894 to December 29th, 1945).
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    mikey888fmikey888f Member Posts: 26 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    can you give me the serial ranges for 1939 and 1941? i couln't find these years in your "1894 facts" section. are these years in there and i missed them? mike
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    Bert H.Bert H. Member Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mikey888f
    can you give me the serial ranges for 1939 and 1941? i couln't find these years in your "1894 facts" section. are these years in there and i missed them? mike


    1939 = 1198405 - 1216165
    1941 = 1259564 - 1313301
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    bentbarrelbentbarrel Member Posts: 1 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bert:

    Serial Number 1077243, Model 94, 32ws
    Good condition

    Any idea without pictures as to what I should ask for a selling price.
    Never reblued or altered.
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