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Hi Bert. I am new to 94's and to Forum's as well. I hope I am doing this correctly. I also Emailed you the following information but after reading all the other posts, I thought others might find the information useful, (or not..LOL)
My "new to me" gun is:
S/N 1394209
94-30 W.C.F.-
Checkered steel butt plate
Blank top plate, only one screw at/near the tip
Not drilled for peep site
No PCMR or Martial
Proof Steel
NO saddle ring
Flat band
I hope this informatiuon is useful to you and perhaps to others who may be researching their own firearm
quote:Originally posted by tgellatly
Hi Bert. I am new to 94's and to Forum's as well. I hope I am doing this correctly. I also Emailed you the following information but after reading all the other posts, I thought others might find the information useful, (or not..LOL)
My "new to me" gun is:
S/N 1394209
94-30 W.C.F.-
Checkered steel butt plate
Blank top plate, only one screw at/near the tip
Not drilled for peep site
No PCMR or Martial
Proof Steel
NO saddle ring
Flat band
I hope this informatiuon is useful to you and perhaps to others who may be researching their own firearm
Tim G.
Hello Tim,
Yes indeed, it is quite useful, and thank you very much for posting it[:)].
Based on the serial number, your Model 94 was manufactured in the late months of the year 1946 (most likely October). It should be a "flat-band" carbine, and based on your desription, it is a standard catalog gun.
Here is the info on the rifle that I am thinking about buying from my friend.
1. 1610299
2. 30 W.C.F.
3. After market Pachmayr
4. No tang markings
5. Yes, Factory Drilled, missing screws
6. No markings
7. "Winchester Proof Steel"
8. No saddle ring
9. N/A
10. N/A
11. N/A, milled band
12. N/A 9-1/8" forend
It also has a stamp on the bottom of the receiver just in front of the trigger which reads BF. The B is very clear but the F is somewhat of a guess.
I would like to send you pics for evaluation but not sure how to attach them.
I want to be up front with my friend and pay a fair price that both of us are comfortable with. Any help would be appreciated.
Here is the info on the rifle that I am thinking about buying from my friend.
1. 1610299
2. 30 W.C.F.
3. After market Pachmayr
4. No tang markings
5. Yes, Factory Drilled, missing screws
6. No markings
7. "Winchester Proof Steel"
8. No saddle ring
9. N/A
10. N/A
11. N/A, milled band
12. N/A 9-1/8" forend
It also has a stamp on the bottom of the receiver just in front of the trigger which reads BF. The B is very clear but the F is somewhat of a guess.
I would like to send you pics for evaluation but not sure how to attach them.
I want to be up front with my friend and pay a fair price that both of us are comfortable with. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you for your efforts in this survey.
Kelly
Hello Kelly,
Your friend has a mid-year 1949 vintage Model 94. Unfortunately, it is very unlikely that the drilled & tapped holes in the receiver are factory original, or that the Pachmayr recoil pad is original.
The "BF" near the trigger is an inspection stamp that was stamped on the gun during the assembly and fitting process.
Because of the probable non-factory alterations, it forever relegates that old Model 94 to being a "shooter" grade gun, and the value is most likely in the $250 - $300 range.
quote:Originally posted by adkjaq
I have a 30 SRC, # 931306. carbine butt, unfired I believe, 30wcf
Your SRC was manufactured in early August of 1921, and there is no such thing as an "unfired" Winchester. Winchester fired the gun at least twice with proof loads, and then another 6-8 shots to set the sights.
Model 94
#1491059
25-35 W.C.F.
Not martial marked
Flat Band
standard sights
recvr not drilled/tapped
flat checked buttplate
blank top tang, single screw
straight cut serrated hammer
have not checked date on bottom of barrel
I am interesting in knowing if the factory changed bluing solution or application methods pre-War, during or post War. I ask this because there seems to be nice blue retention on pre War band/magazine tubes while the flat band period seem to have more brown/plum flat bands/magazine tubes.
Thanks for all your work and information here.
Lee
Model 94
#1491059
25-35 W.C.F.
Not martial marked
Flat Band
standard sights
recvr not drilled/tapped
flat checked buttplate
blank top tang, single screw
straight cut serrated hammer
have not checked date on bottom of barrel
I am interesting in knowing if the factory changed bluing solution or application methods pre-War, during or post War. I ask this because there seems to be nice blue retention on pre War band/magazine tubes while the flat band period seem to have more brown/plum flat bands/magazine tubes.
Thanks for all your work and information here.
Lee
Hello Lee,
Serial number 1491059 was manufactured in the Spring of 1948. It should have a "48" marked barrel.
quote:Originally posted by Mahely4.5
I went to see a 94 today at a pawn shop. The owner said it is a pre WW2, but after researching the serial number turns out to be 1942.
Serial number 1207204
Carbine
Milled Band
Type 6 tang stamp, two screws
.32 Win Special
No saddle ring
Can't say about proof marks,
Question. Are tang marks not indicative of older models than 1942?
The owner is correct... serial number 1207204 is indeed a Pre-War manufactured gun... April 1939 to be exact. This is another case where Madis' serial number listing is out-to-lunch.
Thanks for posting the information[:)].
Edit: In reviewing my data, that Carbine should have a Type-7 upper tang stamp (the one without the dashes), and it quite possibly has a "W" below the serial number... can you please confirm both for me?
Hello again. I will check that out tomorrow if it is still there. Big question though. If I end up buying the gun, I would love to know where to confirm the data that says it is indeed a pre-war model? Upon resale (if ever) people will probably go to the blue book of gun values and the serial number will still say 1942! I would need some better source. Owner also claims the barrel has the manufacture date and it states 1939 on it (although it requires dissassembly and I did not make him do it).
In the not so distant future, I will publish a new (corrected) Winchester serialization book. Hopefully, other sources (like the Blue Book) will correct the information they have falsely published at that time. In the mean time, you can always refer someone to this forum (or to me), and I will confirm the DOM.
quote:Originally posted by Mahely4.5
I went back today and checked it out. Yes, indeed, type 7 tang inscription (without the lines) and also a W underneath the serial number.
Just as I suspected... thanks for the follow-up information[:)].
I sent info earlier on a 1946 ser. no. 94. I thought I would include an earlier one just for info. ser. no. 910800 saddle ring carbine with ladder sight and lyman tang sight 30wfc. 90 plus percent no marks on wood bluing wear on reciver almost plumb color now.
quote:Originally posted by chw
I sent info earlier on a 1946 ser. no. 94. I thought I would include an earlier one just for info. ser. no. 910800 saddle ring carbine with ladder sight and lyman tang sight 30wfc. 90 plus percent no marks on wood bluing wear on reciver almost plumb color now.
It is an August 1920 vintage SRC. The tang sight was most likely added after the fact, but that does not hurt anything. It sounds like a good one[^].
1. 537095
2. 30 W.C.F no model 94 preceeding it
3. concave steel
4. type 5 but no &FGN after
5. not drilled and tapped
6. not martially marked
7. nickle steel barrel
8. no saddle ring
1. 1388364
2.model 94 - 30 W.C.F. -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
9. no W
11. flat band
1. 1142465
2. model 94 - winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. serrated steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
1. 1107790
2. winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. carbine steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
1. 2469226
2. winchester trademark - model - 94 - 32 win spl -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. drilled and tapped for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Very interesting stuff. Please comment on anything of note with these guns.
Please see my comments in blue, and thank you very much for posting the information[:)]
quote:Originally posted by yellowdog52
OK here goes
1. 537095 (manufactured January 1912)
2. 30 W.C.F no model 94 preceeding it
3. concave steel (most likely it is a crescent "rifle" butt)
4. type 5 but no &FGN after (it is a Type-3 upper tang marking)
5. not drilled and tapped
6. not martially marked
7. nickle steel barrel
8. no saddle ring (because it most likely is a Sporting Rifle versus a Carbine)
1. 1388364 (manufactured in the second half of the year 1946)
2.model 94 - 30 W.C.F. -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
9. no W
11. flat band
Completely standard for its vintage
1. 1142465 (manufactured in September of 1937)
2. model 94 - winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. serrated steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage
1. 1107790 (manufactured in May of 1936)
2. winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. carbine steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage
1. 2469226 [blue](manufactured in early 1961)
2. winchester trademark - model - 94 - 32 win spl -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. drilled and tapped for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage[/blue]
Very interesting stuff. Please comment on anything of note with these guns.
hi bert i have a mod94 win in 32 special ser#2353690..it is drilled for a peep sight it had a recoil pad on that i removed hope to find the correct metal butt plate at agun show,it has md stamped in front of the trigger .32 win spl on the barrel winchester proof steel also ..thanx for a very interesting site
quote:Originally posted by heywood
hi bert i have a mod94 win in 32 special ser#2353690..it is drilled for a peep sight it had a recoil pad on that i removed hope to find the correct metal butt plate at agun show,it has md stamped in front of the trigger .32 win spl on the barrel winchester proof steel also ..thanx for a very interesting site
Thank you for posting the information on your mid-year 1959 vintage Model 94, and good luck in finding a replacement butt plate for it[:)].
Bert, Have one more. Ser# 2034413, -MODEL-94-30-30-WIN, Proof steel, checkered butt plate, receiver drilled for peep site, No tang marking, Milled bands, short forearm, hooded front site, std 20" carbine, full length tube, finish 85% some pitting, bore good. Have a good day. Kyle
quote:Originally posted by kylew
Bert, Have one more. Ser# 2034413, -MODEL-94-30-30-WIN, Proof steel, checkered butt plate, receiver drilled for peep site, No tang marking, Milled bands, short forearm, hooded front site, std 20" carbine, full length tube, finish 85% some pitting, bore good. Have a good day. Kyle
Hello Kyle,
It is a standard Carbine, and it was manufactured late in the year 1953.
Thank you very much for posting the information[:)].
Bert, An unusual one Ser.# 457660, take down rifle, 30 W.C.F., nickel steel, 19" oct barrel,type 3 tang markings, crescent butt stock, deluxe wood, good bore and tight action, a short barrel but I think it was special ordered this way, no evidence of any changes except one tragic one. It was re blued some time ago as the hammer, trigger, and lever are also blue instead of case color. Keep up the good work. Kyle
Bert, You may be correct about the 19" barrel. I did compare it to another take down and the two dove tails are the correct distance from the muzzle. It would have to been cut off more than 4" to remove the old dove tails. Anyway I did not pay big bucks for it because of the refinish. Either way it's a neat gun and I liked it. I'm still learning. Thanks for your input. Kyle
quote:Originally posted by kylew
Bert, You may be correct about the 19" barrel. I did compare it to another take down and the two dove tails are the correct distance from the muzzle. It would have to been cut off more than 4" to remove the old dove tails. Anyway I did not pay big bucks for it because of the refinish. Either way it's a neat gun and I liked it. I'm still learning. Thanks for your input. Kyle
I dont know much about these guns but yesterday I picked this one up for $10 figured even if I cant do anything with it so what it was only $10! haha the SN is 1188700 its in pretty bad shape as you can see. Just wondering what year it was made and if it would be worth fixing. thanks for your time.
p.s. im not interested in fixing it up to sell just wondering how much it might cost to make shootable
quote:Originally posted by zagman_420
I dont know much about these guns but yesterday I picked this one up for $10 figured even if I cant do anything with it so what it was only $10! haha the SN is 1188700 its in pretty bad shape as you can see. Just wondering what year it was made and if it would be worth fixing. thanks for your time.
p.s. im not interested in fixing it up to sell just wondering how much it might cost to make shootable
And yes i got it from a tweeker!!!
The serial number tells me that it was made in late August of 1938.
The condition is extremely poor, and I very much doubt that it could ever be resurrected into a "safe" to fire gun again. It is simply a curio now.
survey input ....
mdl 94 s/n: 1595339
caliber marking: 30 W.C.F.
butt plate: flat checkered steel
tang marking: blank
factory drilled for peep sight: no
US martial or PCMR: no
Proof steel marking: yes
saddle ring: no
barrel band: milled
Question: I have a model 12 made in 1940 (serial 824389) that has the "W" stamp below the serial number. Do you think it means the same thing as on the model 94 (factory refinish)?
Comments
Actually, I do need it... along with any other serial number that is in the 1,000,000 to 2,700,000 range.
Thanks for posting the information[:)]
WACA Historian & Life Member
Lance
My "new to me" gun is:
S/N 1394209
94-30 W.C.F.-
Checkered steel butt plate
Blank top plate, only one screw at/near the tip
Not drilled for peep site
No PCMR or Martial
Proof Steel
NO saddle ring
Flat band
I hope this informatiuon is useful to you and perhaps to others who may be researching their own firearm
Tim G.
Hi Bert. I am new to 94's and to Forum's as well. I hope I am doing this correctly. I also Emailed you the following information but after reading all the other posts, I thought others might find the information useful, (or not..LOL)
My "new to me" gun is:
S/N 1394209
94-30 W.C.F.-
Checkered steel butt plate
Blank top plate, only one screw at/near the tip
Not drilled for peep site
No PCMR or Martial
Proof Steel
NO saddle ring
Flat band
I hope this informatiuon is useful to you and perhaps to others who may be researching their own firearm
Tim G.
Hello Tim,
Yes indeed, it is quite useful, and thank you very much for posting it[:)].
Based on the serial number, your Model 94 was manufactured in the late months of the year 1946 (most likely October). It should be a "flat-band" carbine, and based on your desription, it is a standard catalog gun.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Here is the info on the rifle that I am thinking about buying from my friend.
1. 1610299
2. 30 W.C.F.
3. After market Pachmayr
4. No tang markings
5. Yes, Factory Drilled, missing screws
6. No markings
7. "Winchester Proof Steel"
8. No saddle ring
9. N/A
10. N/A
11. N/A, milled band
12. N/A 9-1/8" forend
It also has a stamp on the bottom of the receiver just in front of the trigger which reads BF. The B is very clear but the F is somewhat of a guess.
I would like to send you pics for evaluation but not sure how to attach them.
I want to be up front with my friend and pay a fair price that both of us are comfortable with. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you for your efforts in this survey.
Kelly
BERT,
Here is the info on the rifle that I am thinking about buying from my friend.
1. 1610299
2. 30 W.C.F.
3. After market Pachmayr
4. No tang markings
5. Yes, Factory Drilled, missing screws
6. No markings
7. "Winchester Proof Steel"
8. No saddle ring
9. N/A
10. N/A
11. N/A, milled band
12. N/A 9-1/8" forend
It also has a stamp on the bottom of the receiver just in front of the trigger which reads BF. The B is very clear but the F is somewhat of a guess.
I would like to send you pics for evaluation but not sure how to attach them.
I want to be up front with my friend and pay a fair price that both of us are comfortable with. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you for your efforts in this survey.
Kelly
Hello Kelly,
Your friend has a mid-year 1949 vintage Model 94. Unfortunately, it is very unlikely that the drilled & tapped holes in the receiver are factory original, or that the Pachmayr recoil pad is original.
The "BF" near the trigger is an inspection stamp that was stamped on the gun during the assembly and fitting process.
Because of the probable non-factory alterations, it forever relegates that old Model 94 to being a "shooter" grade gun, and the value is most likely in the $250 - $300 range.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Kelly
Thank you Bert for your feedback. Good luck with the continuing survey.
Kelly
Thank you as well[:)].
WACA Historian & Life Member
I have a 30 SRC, # 931306. carbine butt, unfired I believe, 30wcf
Your SRC was manufactured in early August of 1921, and there is no such thing as an "unfired" Winchester. Winchester fired the gun at least twice with proof loads, and then another 6-8 shots to set the sights.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Another 30 WCF, SRC 1013904
Hello, and thanks for the information. The serial number indicates that it was manufactured in January of 1928.
I assume that it has the standard style carbine butt plate, but which type of upper tang stamp does it have? It could be either a Type-5 or a Type-6.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Model 94
#1491059
25-35 W.C.F.
Not martial marked
Flat Band
standard sights
recvr not drilled/tapped
flat checked buttplate
blank top tang, single screw
straight cut serrated hammer
have not checked date on bottom of barrel
I am interesting in knowing if the factory changed bluing solution or application methods pre-War, during or post War. I ask this because there seems to be nice blue retention on pre War band/magazine tubes while the flat band period seem to have more brown/plum flat bands/magazine tubes.
Thanks for all your work and information here.
Lee
Hi Bert.
Model 94
#1491059
25-35 W.C.F.
Not martial marked
Flat Band
standard sights
recvr not drilled/tapped
flat checked buttplate
blank top tang, single screw
straight cut serrated hammer
have not checked date on bottom of barrel
I am interesting in knowing if the factory changed bluing solution or application methods pre-War, during or post War. I ask this because there seems to be nice blue retention on pre War band/magazine tubes while the flat band period seem to have more brown/plum flat bands/magazine tubes.
Thanks for all your work and information here.
Lee
Hello Lee,
Serial number 1491059 was manufactured in the Spring of 1948. It should have a "48" marked barrel.
Winchester changed the bluing formula circa 1939.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Serial number 1207204
Carbine
Milled Band
Type 6 tang stamp, two screws
.32 Win Special
No saddle ring
Can't say about proof marks,
Question. Are tang marks not indicative of older models than 1942?
I went to see a 94 today at a pawn shop. The owner said it is a pre WW2, but after researching the serial number turns out to be 1942.
Serial number 1207204
Carbine
Milled Band
Type 6 tang stamp, two screws
.32 Win Special
No saddle ring
Can't say about proof marks,
Question. Are tang marks not indicative of older models than 1942?
The owner is correct... serial number 1207204 is indeed a Pre-War manufactured gun... April 1939 to be exact. This is another case where Madis' serial number listing is out-to-lunch.
Thanks for posting the information[:)].
Edit: In reviewing my data, that Carbine should have a Type-7 upper tang stamp (the one without the dashes), and it quite possibly has a "W" below the serial number... can you please confirm both for me?
WACA Historian & Life Member
Thanks again
WACA Historian & Life Member
I went back today and checked it out. Yes, indeed, type 7 tang inscription (without the lines) and also a W underneath the serial number.
Just as I suspected... thanks for the follow-up information[:)].
WACA Historian & Life Member
I sent info earlier on a 1946 ser. no. 94. I thought I would include an earlier one just for info. ser. no. 910800 saddle ring carbine with ladder sight and lyman tang sight 30wfc. 90 plus percent no marks on wood bluing wear on reciver almost plumb color now.
It is an August 1920 vintage SRC. The tang sight was most likely added after the fact, but that does not hurt anything. It sounds like a good one[^].
WACA Historian & Life Member
1. 537095
2. 30 W.C.F no model 94 preceeding it
3. concave steel
4. type 5 but no &FGN after
5. not drilled and tapped
6. not martially marked
7. nickle steel barrel
8. no saddle ring
1. 1388364
2.model 94 - 30 W.C.F. -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
9. no W
11. flat band
1. 1142465
2. model 94 - winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. serrated steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
1. 1107790
2. winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. carbine steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
1. 2469226
2. winchester trademark - model - 94 - 32 win spl -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. drilled and tapped for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Very interesting stuff. Please comment on anything of note with these guns.
quote:Originally posted by yellowdog52
OK here goes
1. 537095 (manufactured January 1912)
2. 30 W.C.F no model 94 preceeding it
3. concave steel (most likely it is a crescent "rifle" butt)
4. type 5 but no &FGN after (it is a Type-3 upper tang marking)
5. not drilled and tapped
6. not martially marked
7. nickle steel barrel
8. no saddle ring (because it most likely is a Sporting Rifle versus a Carbine)
1. 1388364 (manufactured in the second half of the year 1946)
2.model 94 - 30 W.C.F. -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
9. no W
11. flat band
Completely standard for its vintage
1. 1142465 (manufactured in September of 1937)
2. model 94 - winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. serrated steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage
1. 1107790 (manufactured in May of 1936)
2. winchester trademark - 30 W.C.F. -
3. carbine steel
4. type 6
5. not drilled for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage
1. 2469226 [blue](manufactured in early 1961)
2. winchester trademark - model - 94 - 32 win spl -
3. checkered steel
4. blank tang
5. drilled and tapped for peep
6. not martially marked
7. proof steel
8. no saddle ring
Completely standard for its vintage[/blue]
Very interesting stuff. Please comment on anything of note with these guns.
WACA Historian & Life Member
hi bert i have a mod94 win in 32 special ser#2353690..it is drilled for a peep sight it had a recoil pad on that i removed hope to find the correct metal butt plate at agun show,it has md stamped in front of the trigger .32 win spl on the barrel winchester proof steel also ..thanx for a very interesting site
Thank you for posting the information on your mid-year 1959 vintage Model 94, and good luck in finding a replacement butt plate for it[:)].
WACA Historian & Life Member
would you like to sell it
Please take this off the forum... offers to sell or buy are verbotin on the forums.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Bert, Have one more. Ser# 2034413, -MODEL-94-30-30-WIN, Proof steel, checkered butt plate, receiver drilled for peep site, No tang marking, Milled bands, short forearm, hooded front site, std 20" carbine, full length tube, finish 85% some pitting, bore good. Have a good day. Kyle
Hello Kyle,
It is a standard Carbine, and it was manufactured late in the year 1953.
Thank you very much for posting the information[:)].
WACA Historian & Life Member
Serial 457660 went through the Polishing Room very late in the month of May, 1910.
I personally would be very suspicious of a 19-inch octagon barrel.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Bert, You may be correct about the 19" barrel. I did compare it to another take down and the two dove tails are the correct distance from the muzzle. It would have to been cut off more than 4" to remove the old dove tails. Anyway I did not pay big bucks for it because of the refinish. Either way it's a neat gun and I liked it. I'm still learning. Thanks for your input. Kyle
You are very welcome[:)].
WACA Historian & Life Member
p.s. im not interested in fixing it up to sell just wondering how much it might cost to make shootable
And yes i got it from a tweeker!!!
I dont know much about these guns but yesterday I picked this one up for $10 figured even if I cant do anything with it so what it was only $10! haha the SN is 1188700 its in pretty bad shape as you can see. Just wondering what year it was made and if it would be worth fixing. thanks for your time.
p.s. im not interested in fixing it up to sell just wondering how much it might cost to make shootable
And yes i got it from a tweeker!!!
The serial number tells me that it was made in late August of 1938.
The condition is extremely poor, and I very much doubt that it could ever be resurrected into a "safe" to fire gun again. It is simply a curio now.
WACA Historian & Life Member
mdl 94 s/n: 1595339
caliber marking: 30 W.C.F.
butt plate: flat checkered steel
tang marking: blank
factory drilled for peep sight: no
US martial or PCMR: no
Proof steel marking: yes
saddle ring: no
barrel band: milled
Question: I have a model 12 made in 1940 (serial 824389) that has the "W" stamp below the serial number. Do you think it means the same thing as on the model 94 (factory refinish)?